Game 26: Twins @ Detroit
by Jon Marthaler on May 4, 2009 6:00 PM EDT
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PrintMinnesota Twins at Detroit Tigers, May 4, 2009 7:05 PM EDT
Darn EDT games; hope you hurried home from work to catch this one.
TV: FSN (theoretically in HD, but if you have Comcast, you'll have to wait and see if they deign to actually broadcast the HD feed. Cause, you know, that extra money you pay for HD only goes so far. IT'S NOT COMCASTIC PEOPLE.)
Radio: As usual, the Twins Radio Network. Gordo! The Dazzle Man! Two or three correct counts per ballgame!
Know Thine Enemy: Bless You Boys
Starting Pitchers:
Edwin Jackson Scouting Report: You're remembering correctly - he used to pitch for Tampa Bay. And he's off to one heck of a start as a Tiger; he's held the other team scoreless into the seventh three times already this year. Jackson throws a 94-mph fastball that he'll occasionally gear up into the 97-98mph range, along with an 85-86mph slider (and a handful of curves or changeups.) He'll throw about 60% fastballs and 30% sliders.
Lineups:
TWINS
1. Denard Span, CF
2. Alexi Casilla, 2B
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau, 1B
5. Jason Kubel, DH
6. Joe Crede, 3B
7. Michael Cuddyer, RF
8. Delmon Young, LF
9. Nick Punto, SS
TIGERS
1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Magglio Ordonez, RF
4. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
5. Carlos Guillen, LF
6. Gerald Laird, C
7. Brandon Inge, 3B
8. Ryan Raburn, DH
9. Adam Everett, SS
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I would shout "First"!
But then I would have to punch myself at least three times, so…
here’s hoping we can put together a complete game tonight and win one.
Well at least that was a good start for Liriano.
I stepped away from the game and the half inning was already over…
I'm thinking
Casilla needs to take a trip to AAA. Agree? Bring up Tolbert……
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds"
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by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
you have to be kidding
even Gardy, who loves Tolbert, says he isnt ready for the Majors…he is hitting .225 in AAA. If Mauer was hitting .160 would you say that he needs to head down to AAA?
What then would you suggest?
Casilla is stinking it up and looks lost. Send him down and bring in another versitale player
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds"
Samuel Adams
by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Casilla hit .200 or a little above that
in April of last year for AAA…he came up here and was on fire. He starts slow…give him a break, let him rest a few days in order for him to get his head back in the game, and then send him on back out there. The Twins would not have gotten anywhere close to the playoffs or to game 163 without Casilla…I think Twins fans need to get off his back.
He started slow last year, then was on fire.
One year… one year means that therefore “He starts slow”? Could be he is just not that good of a hitter and had one good 3/4 of a year. Using your criteria there is no way you can say you are right and I am wrong.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I know its NOT forcing our team to suck ass with Casilla in the #2 slot, taking up extra outs and killing rallys.
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
At least move him down in the order for gods sake
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds"
Samuel Adams
by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Gardy was pretty broken up about sending him down
That seems to imply that he’ thinks he’s ready for the majors. Is he an upgrade over Casilla? I wouldn’t say that quite yet. Give it another month. In the meantime, work with him to get him back to when he was a loose cannon in the number 2 spot last year.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Tolbert is sucking.
But I don’t see why Gardy insists on hitting Casilla 2nd.
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punto
done and done. Or Harris. Either works
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Punto
also has a better walk rate, K rate, and OBP (although neither of them are good) so in short, yes he’s doing better.
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He's doing better than Casilla
That doesn’t make him a good candidate to hit second. Just move Casilla to the nine spot and move the rest of line-up up one notch.
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by cmathewson on May 4, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not Punto
He’s a strikeout machine. When he’s not striking out, he’s hitting into DPs. No thanks. Been there, done that (2007).
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Bless you Guillen
If he takes the right route on that ball, it’s an easy catch. We’ll take it.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Let's have a third K
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Well at least it wasn't a DP
seriously, take some pressure off of the guy and sit him for a game then bring him back in the #8 spot.
Brian Gorman...
is having the worst Balls and Strikes game I can remember from an ump this year.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
And I see CB Bucknor will be behind the plate tomorrow...
Looks like I am going to have a very difficult time watching this series. I can’t wait until a computer can call balls and strikes. I’m all for maintaining the “charm of the game,” but clowns like this just ruin it for me.
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baseball has already been ruined
by technology….lets not have computers call balls and strikes…might as well have robots playing in the field then at the same time.
you sure like to disagree with quite a few people
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by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
that is rich coming from the king of hyperbole
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fellas
Don’t get you sacroiliacs out of joint
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
do you agree that computers should take over?
Christ, we basically have computers running everything else in the world, sometimes its a little nice to have some humans doing something for a change.
no he doesn't think computers should"take over" whatever the Hell that means, you @#&*!
He thinks your obstreperous.
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I 99.9% agree with this sentiment...
but the horribly inconsistent strike zone is ruining the integrity of some games for me. If they could get the umps to call it consistently, I’d support that. I just think too many umps are set in their ways and will never change.
A debate for another time I suppose…
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I agree with this statement
umpires should be trained to have a mid chest to knees strike zone….some have huge zones some waist line to knees and smaller. Umpires should have a set zone before calling games.
We are done as a society
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds"
Samuel Adams
by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
True,
so why not embrace the inevitable, and have a little fun as we go down…(pun intended)
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
can't wait
to see how the bullpen blows this one
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Cisco's slider has been better tonight...
Best I can remember seeing since he came back. A very good sign…
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7 Ks for Liriano
only one run given up so far. And his offense his stinking the place up tonight…how will this turn out?
wow
Jackson is still blowing gas and he’s at about 100 pitches. He’s been impressive tonight
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and with that Crede doubles home
Morneau….two men on base again…nobody out…lets score some more runs boys!
well I thought last inning was the one we could get to Jackson in,
looks like I was one off!!!!!!!!!!!!
and with that
Punto grounds into FC…Cuddy cut down at homeplate…two men on…one out…lets score some more runs boys!
I see Jim Leyland...
is doing his Tony LaRussa impersonation. Trying to take the air out of the game…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Nobody
can say that he came through there.
But I’ll take it.
You have to ask that...
every time he comes up now…
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Try it with Punto too!!!
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
It's OK...
Gorman’s horrible 1-1 strike call kind of hosed you in that at-bat…
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doesnt work for Morny
maybe you should ask why doesnt Morneau hit more homers or something along that line…it suits him better
well, of course you could just ask why is Casilla batting at all
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Bingo
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds"
Samuel Adams
by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
2 run single for Casilla
two men on…one out…Mauer at the plate….lets score some more runs here boys!
OH NO IF JOE DOESNT GIT A HIT IN HIS NEXT AB HES HITTING BELOW 500!!!1111
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
For real
For real though, check it out, Michael Cuddyer has very, very quietly gotten his BA to .270 and his OPS juuuuuuuust above .800. If he reproduced exactly this line over the whole season, I’d take it and run.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
please sir
if you are going to use that word, I prefer it used in its original context in the Ancient Greek.
ὑπερβολή
Cuddys at bats have been much better
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by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
Is it just me...
Or did the words “bases loaded for Alexi Casilla” nearly scare you to death, too?
That is his second hit from that blasted side of the plate. Way to prove me wrong, Alexi. Now come home.
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Would have had we not already staked a decent lead...
then again I wasn’t forecasting the terror of our bullpen…
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
it didnt scare me to death at all
because I am possibly the only one on this blog besides All-StarCasilla who actually believes in him and believes that he will produce.
I believe he can produce....
Three or four months from now.
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I like
I really like Alexi Casilla, I love how he plays, think he plays good D (though not lately) and think he should be a pretty decent hitter for a speedster (.290/.350/.365 kinda stuff, with good D at short) but he just isn’t getting it done at all right now.
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~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
2 balls, 2 strikes, 2 outs.
2 on base.
No physical way we can score another run this inning.
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Is it just me
or is Liriano throwing a lot more sliders than he has been in past starts?
I've noticed that as well...
And I’m torn on how I feel. While he should obviously use it as his strikeout pitch, I feel as though he is “whoring” it out. It’s not going to be as exclusive or deadly after a while.
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Well, its just today
but his heavier use of the slider does coincide with by far his best outing of the season. I think he needs to use it to be as effective as possible. It’s still his best pitch.
by Eric in Madison on May 4, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
8 Ks for Liriano through 7
lead will probably be handed over to Mijares for the eight and Nathan in the ninth.
what?
no way, not with a 5 run lead.
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No way Liriano is taken out.
I’ll say this: if he is taken out, there is one person in that FSN booth who will have a fit.
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Uffda,
I am a little nervous with Liriano pitching too much – Iknow, I know, not reasonable, he is past his injury, but still…
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, with all the work our bullpen has seen lately we almost have to go with ol'
rubberarm Dickey, huh?
Mijares hasnt pitched much
so I wouldnt at all be afraid of handing the ball to him or Crain. Liriano has thrown 99 pitches through 7 innings…I think we can give him a rest from todays game and possibly hand him his first win if the right people are called in from the pen.
Mijares or Crain and pray for rain...
Anybody else… and, um…FAIL.
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Crain back tonight?
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by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
Crain back tonight?
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Samuel Adams
by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
oops
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by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oof
Liriano sure seems dominant tonight. 9 K’s, only a 4-8 GO/AO ratio, but 4 of those FB outs were infield pop-ups, so great ball in play stuff really. Taking a quick look at this pitches it looks to me like he did well throing 2 and 4 seam fastballs with some changeups and sliders mixed in early in the game and has been able to go to save a mostly slider/chageup mix for later in the game and it’s been highly effective.
Liriano is REALLY to read early in the game. Is his fastball hitting spots? If no, he has to go to his breaking stuff and offspeed stuff early in the game. He can only go a few innings like that alone, his slider isn’t good enough anymore for him to throw it 60 times in a game and get day with it all day. But if he is able to throw lots of fastballs early in the game and get outs, he can mix in the slider for strikeouts early then throw the offspeed stuff liberally later in the game when those same hitters come up again and be really, really dominant.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
Jerry White got it good looks like
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by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions
1st base coach jerry white
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by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
He didnt put any pressure on his foot or ankle. Carried off the field
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by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why it'd take a while to convince me to be a first-base coach.
If that were a few feet higher he’d be dead.
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"a while"
or a few thousand dollars/year.
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true.
Add in some great insurance coverage and it’d probably only take a few months. :)
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then again you cant buy a house with all that insurance,
if your dead…
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My family could.
I’d consider the sacrifice.
Sort of like taking a bullet for the President. Their families will never have to work again…
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Cisco at 99 pitches...
so yes, Gardy wll take him out.
He has been excellent tonight. Best slider he’s had since his return. Spotting his fastball well. 2 of his 3 walks were due to an ass-clown behind the plate.
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
Once again, get used to guys being in the game longer than we've become accustomed to.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
Guess so...
I figured a 5 run lead was Ayala-proof…
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I'm not sure a bomb shelter is Ayala proof.
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can I double rec that?
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Liriano could be pulled right here
one out and two men on base with Mags at the plate….time for Mijares
Nice Job by Guerrier there
Kept Liriano’s stat line relatively pretty. Great night by Fransisco Liriano, that’s the Sisco we know and love.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
and Guerrier does a decent job pitching
out of the jam facing the two best hitters on the Tigers club giving up only one run on a groundout.
solid night by Franny nice to see
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by RileysCannibalJct on May 4, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions
Franny?
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He's a big fan of that CBS nanny show
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking Tarkenton...
"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"
see, thats the difference between you and me,
you think sports/football – I think girls with big bras.
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
When I think of girls with big bras...
I don’t come to this website…
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Hope that earns him a start ofr a change
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?
huh? not the “ofr” part, I got that. Earns who a start? Liriano already starts and Guerrier isn’t about to start staring, is he?
by montanatwinsfan on May 4, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Nick Markakis is racking up the fantasy point for me tonight.
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Why is Granderson playing so far in today?
He blew that Gomez double and that Cuddyer triple.
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My only guess is guys with big ranges will often play in extra because they can get back to a lot of balls anyway
But those two hits were just TOO far back.
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~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
Good game all around...
Lots of encouraging performances from players that had been struggling tonight. Feeling good about this series…
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