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Twins biggest hole? Shortstop

In all but one position, the Twins have options in 2009 and beyond.

Nick Punto's OPS+ this year is 39. His UZR numbers are under water. He is on a pace to strike out 88 times this year as the number 9 hitter. You can look at the numbers for regular shortstops in Twins history and fail to find worse numbers, projecting Punto's numbers out over the course of a full season, in almost 50 years of baseball.

The last time he was the starter at a regular position (third base in 2007), he managed to put up the worst season statistically by any third baseman in Twins history (OPS+ 52). You can make a good case that it was the worst full season for a regular third baseman in the history of the game. Even if you find a regular third baseman in the history of the game with a lower OPS+, it's quite a feat to be the worst regular Twins player at two positions in your career.

Last year he became the starter by default after Adam Everette got hurt and he did decently (99 OPS+, UZR 150 17.9). Despite his checkered career, the Twins signed him to a two-year, $8.5 million contract in the offseason. Why? Because the Twins brass determined that there were no better options internally or on the free agent market and trade partners were scarce.

I could argue there were better options. Cristian Guzman, for example, was a free agent coming off consecutive seasons with an above average OPS+ with slightly below average UZR numbers. But it didn't happen. And this piece is not about looking back, it's about looking forward. Punto is clearly not the solution at shortstop despite begin the fourth highest paid player on the team. After last night's fiasco, in which Brendan Harris showed why he's not a regular shortstop, it's clear to me that the Twins need to find a solution outside the organization if they hope to fulfill the promise of a good young nucleus.

 

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Options on the farm

I agree with the Twins general philosophy that trades are a last resort, especially for positions like short, which are very costly to fill. (Outside of the Garza/Young trade, without which I wouldn't be writing this.) The apparent plan was to use Punto as a bridge to Trevor Plouffe. For reasons that will become clear, if this is the plan, we need a new plan.

Plouffe is a former number-one draft pick who has had his ups and downs (mostly downs) as he moved along one level at a time in the minors. He's never put up the kind of numbers that make you want to push for a promotion at any level. In his best years, he's held his own while being young for his level. So he's hung around the prospect lists more on draft order and youth than on the strength of his numbers.

His OPS in New Britain as a 21 year old was 724. As a 22 year old, repeating that level, he did essentially just as well (731) before getting promoted to Rochester and holding his own there (708) for the second half of last season. Those were the best numbers of his career. The hope this year from the Twins front office (as expressed by Joe Cristensen and others) was that he would take the next step as his age caught up with his level of competition. Unfortunately, that hope has yet to be realized. In fact, he's regressed to a 634 OPS in the early going.

Contrast that to the last good shortstop we had--Jason Bartlett--who had an OPS of 887 as a 24 year old in Rochester. There's still time for Plouffe to hone some things (particularly his defense, which continues to be the weaker side of his game). So I wouldn't give up on him as a future utility option. But unless he has some miraculous ascendancy that belies his numbers over the course of his career, he will not even be a replacement-level player as a starter in the majors. Though he could easily do better than Nick Punto (who is several runs below replacement level) this year and next as the starting shortstop, that's not saying much. If the Twins hope to win, they need to find a league-average shortstop.

The Twins have other players who can play shortstop. Steven Tolleson just got promoted to Rochester to replace Alexi Casilla. He could likely hit like a competent shortstop, but his defense is more suited to second base. The Twins could revisit moving Alexi Casilla to short and insert Tolleson at second. That is not likely to happen because Ron Gardenhire has stated he prefers Casilla at second and Bill Smith refuses to tell Gardy how to make out a line-up card.

 

External options

Speculating on trades is an iffy proposition at best because it's almost impossible to predict how much one GM will require to trade a player. But identifying potential trade targets is somewhat easier. I will focus on four targets--two old guys and two young guys--in this space and leave you all to use the comments for other options.

Miguel Tejada

Tejada is likely available as Houston admits it needs to scrap the ship and rebuild. Tejada would fit in nicely in the middle of the Twins order with his current OPS+ (135). But his fielding is way substandard. His UZR/150 is -20 right now, which is awful. On the other hand, last year it was 9.4, which is an indication that UZR can fluctuate wildly for one player. Considering that the Astros will likely ask for a tidy sum for this rent-a-player, and he's making $13 million this year. he's not likely to be a good fit for the Twins.

Cristian Guzman

Like the Astros, the Nationals aren't going to contend this year, which makes Guzman a target for a trade. Unlike Tejada, Guzman is signed through 2010 (at $8 million a year). Also, unlike Tejada, Guzman is not horrible in the field. Though a UZR/150 of -15 this year is not good, his typical UZR/150 over the last few years is more like -4. So perhaps we're dealing with small samples, like Brendan Harris with a UZR/150 of 3.4, when he's typically in the negative teens over his career. Guzman can hit, though. Since his surgery, his OPS+ is 114, which is about what it is this year. If the price is right, perhaps the Twins should look at him. Still, I doubt the Twins will consider him because his defense is a liability and it's not getting any better.

Reid Brignac

The Twins just got done playing the Rays, so we saw this kid a fair amount. He looks impressive, both in the field and at the plate. His major league numbers suffer from small sample sizes. But he was hitting very well (817 OPS) this year for Durham prior to being called up with Bartlett's injury. Assuming Bartlett comes back in the customary time frame for an ankle sprain, he could be available in a couple of weeks.What the Rays would want for him is another matter. Would they take Plouffe and a pitcher?

Jed Lowrie

I only bring him up because Adam P. did in another thread. If the Red Sox are looking for outfield help and Lowrie is available, he would be a perfect fit. He's an above average fielder (21 UZR/150 over his career at short) and a tough out. Though currently on the DL with a wrist injury, he's on track for a return in two weeks. Perhaps it's wishful thinking, but maybe he could be had for one of our four outfielders.

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Finding a decent 2-way shortstop is very difficult

which is why trading Bartlett was such a freaking nightmare…

I’m glad you wrote this; I was going to write something similar about middle infield options.

There really aren’t a lot of good options, as your list points out. The ideal player for the Twins would be JJ Hardy—a RH hitting shortstop with pop who can post a 110 OPS+. Of course, you can’t get Hardy; the Brewers are trying to win. They have a great fielding SS in AAA who’s waiting around; his name is Alcides Escobar. I think he’d hit OK, not great. Decent average, tiny bit of pop. The Brewers will need pitching help this year, though they would probably want someone who could help their rotation right now.

Couple of second base options I’ve been thinking about (that position has been terrible too, though we still hope for Casilla) are Felipe Lopez and Freddie Sanchez.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 1, 2009 2:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Bartlett as a "2-way SS"

is questionable, IMO. Over his career, his total batting runs above average is +2.2, which looks solid. However, it’s greatly buoyed by his +17.1 runs so far this season (.450 wOBA). I expect his final 2009 line will be an improvement over previous years, but will be much closer to last year’s .311 wOBA than to .400.

That said, he’s much better than any option we have in house.

by Adam Peterson on Jun 1, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

With such lack of depth

I know we have some guys coming up that might be decent middle infielders but no one that’s real exciting, just interesting. Dinkelman is tearing it up at AA to the tune of a .900 OPS, I don’t know if he’s a decent fielder though and he’s only played 14 games at SS while with the Twins organization.

Then you’ve got Singleton who’s still at Fort Myers and has regressed from last year but does boast a BB/K rate of just under 1 and was just over 1 last year. So he might have top of the order potential if he can do that as well as hit close to .300 but he’s at least a couple years away.

Last but not least is Tolleson who just moved up to AAA like cmath pointed out. I believe he is supposed to be an excellent defender . He had an .848 OPS at AA last year and hit very well there this past month after a slow April. He’s definitely worth a shot if he can continue to put up good #‘s at AAA, however, realistically he’s not a solution this season. Tolleson is probably the most exciting at least if he is a solid defender that can handle SS. He’s played there most of the time this year and split between SS and 2B evenly last year. This plus he’s played some outfield.

I think if the Twins could trade from strengths to bring in one solid starting SS or 2B it would be worth it as none of the guys coming up are sure things. However I don’t know if there’s much available that’s worth getting. Hardy would obviously be great but very unlikely without paying an arm and a a leg.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jun 1, 2009 3:53 AM EDT reply actions  

What strengths?

The rotation has no depth with Perkins injured (and ineffective before going on the DL) and the top two starters in a season-long funk. The releif corps needs help, and the infield is weak in the middle. The “four starting OF” has two starting OF and two guys who should be in the minors.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Jun 2, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lowrie

I doubt that he is available, though I’d love to have him. Boston is waiting out the horrendous contract they gave to Julio Lugo, which has a chance to extend through 2011 with a vesting option. In any case, I suspect they would want more than Cuddyer to pry Lowrie. If / when J.D. Drew goes down, it wouldn’t hurt to dangle…

Another interesting option to dangle might be Kubel. We’d have to get a decent return, but if we could turn our DH into a long term solution at SS (as well as perhaps another bullpen arm), I’d think about it. As cmath notes, it’s difficult to assess what teams would be willing to give up in return, but if Papi’s funk continues and Drew goes down (a realistic possibility), Boston may be very interested in finding a solid LH bat to break up Pedroia-Youkilis-Bay… If we were offered Lowrie and Masterson, I’d consider it.

by Adam Peterson on Jun 1, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Tejada

As you note, UZR can fluctuate from year to year. However, in the games I saw last year, Tejada showed much more life in the field. I saw probably 60 games from 2007, his last year in Baltimore. Near the end, he was pretty much a slug. Didn’t run out batted balls, pretty much immobile in the field.

I want no part of him. We need to be looking at a long term solution, not a fix for the rest of this season, IMO.

by Adam Peterson on Jun 1, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Better than Brendan Harris

This is the part that makes me uncertain about our SS situation. Just what do we have in Brendan Harris? For his career, he is a -10 UZR/150 at SS. Not very good. However, if you look at his year by year numbers, you’ll see that he has shown solid improvement in his numbers at both SS and 3B. If Harris can bring his defensive numbers up to around average at SS, he may be the answer, for zero cost. So far in 106 innings, he’s at +3.9 UZR/150, promising, but too small a sample size to draw any conclusions.

Offensively, Harris frustrates the hell out of me. I’m still waiting to see that above average .340-.350 wOBA that he showed in 2007. Considering his minor league numbers (at least from 2006, fangraphs doesn’t have anything older), Harris at least has shown solid offensive skills in the past.

Bottom line, whatever options we look at need to be clearly better than Harris.

by Adam Peterson on Jun 1, 2009 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Harris is our best option in house

But I still want more. I want more than a guy who takes two steps and a dive for easy balls. i want more than a guy who made that play the other day (the one where the obvious play was to second, and instead, he floated a throw to first with Upton running.) . Maybe I’m spoiled by Bartlett. But, from my perspective, Bartlett is league average. If you can’t be as good as Bartlett, you’re not the long-term answer, IMO. Is it too much to ask to get a shortstop who’s as good as Bartlett?

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by cmathewson on Jun 1, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guzmon

You guys would know a lot more about this than me but if I remember right, didn’t Gardy hate Guzmon?

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by taskersd on Jun 1, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

He appeared to

Guzy looked disinterested at times. That’s what bugged Gardy. But it turns out he was hurting and not dogging it. He was hurt for most of tenure with the team. He hurt his shoulder in the All-Star game in 2001 and didn’t get it cut on until his second year with Washington. Since then, he’s been a much better player. Perhaps they all could get together and say, “You know, you thought I wasn’t hustling and I was goosing throws to first, when I was just trying to play through an injury that the medical staff didn’t think required surgery.” If Guzy said that, Gardy might say, “All is forgiven. Let’s go to work.”

One thing we’ve seen with Gardy: He’s a forgiving guy. You can’t not be forgiving and watch Punto play every night.

The bigger issue is an organizational rule against bringing back guys who signed as free agents with other teams. I’m not sure they still have it, but Terry Ryan has often said they would not consider bringing a guy back under those circumstances. Gary Gaetti is an example.

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by cmathewson on Jun 1, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

What kind of crazy rule is that?

They really had that rule at some point? Or even still do? Yikes. What’s the justification for that? Didn’t they bring back Guardado?

Anyway, I’m only marginally interested in Guzman. It might be totally unfair, but I see his game crumbling at any time. Part of it is that it’s so batting average based. He still never walks, he doesn’t steal bases anymore.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 1, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s probably a question that was asked frequently out of emotion (I’m thinking Koskie here) where fans wanted to bring back a favorite player who seems available. The PC answer he gave could possibly be interpreted as some sort of weird policy like that.

Most often, if a player leaves, he’s either played a few years with another team and is over the hill or wasn’t good enough to find another team. Either way, there’s probably justification for not wanting those guys, policy or not. I’d be curious to see the specifics of this policy, though.

by ben2 on Jun 1, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most Twins' fans hated Guzman

Also, using the same criteria to reach this conclusion – blogs, call-in sports shows, comments at the yard…

…most Twins’ fans also hated David Ortiz.

But fans don’t make mistakes. They just conveniently forget.

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by Johnny Safron on Jun 1, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fans don't make mistakes

You want to know why? They don’t make decisions. I’m wrong all the time about baseball. I’m not paid to be right.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 1, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't get paid...

…ergo you don’t make mistakes?

Interesting misconception to start with.

But then you admit you’re often wrong.

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by Johnny Safron on Jun 2, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I don't make mistakes because I don't make decisions

Mistakes are acts of commission or omission. Sign this guy or don’t. Make this trade or don’t. Draft player A or player B. I don’t make mistakes in those decisions because I don’t make those decisions. Being wrong (which I state—not admit—I often am) is not the same as making mistakes.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 3, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

one accepted definition of “mistake” is “to be wrong.” So it is the same.

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by Johnny Safron on Jun 3, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it was just a TR rule

Because Guardado is a clear counter-example.

Guzman is an interesting case. But I wouldn’t penalize him for being BA oriented, just as I wouldn’t penalize Carlos Pena for being walk oriented. Kirby Puckett hardly ever walked. But he squared up on the ball so often, he hit his way to high OPS+ numbers. I wouldn’t penalize Kirby for hitting his way on.

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by cmathewson on Jun 1, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

fair enough, but...

true, there’s nothing wrong with a high BA. But yes, I would penalize him for being BA oriented if his high BA masks a low OBP or OPS.

Cristian Guzman is batting .329 this year, compared to an average BA of .259 in the NL. Looks very impressive.

But is OBP is only .341, compared to .335 for the rest of the league — much less impressive.

Surprisingly (to me at least) he is outslugging the league .451 to .409, causing him to outpace the league average OPS .793 to .744.

With the Twins, Guzman was a classic example of a guy with a decent BA who had little value because he never drew walks and had no power. He doesn’t steal bases and hasn’t for years.

He’s now a good-hitting shortstop, but he’s not as impressive as his current dazzling batting average implies.

I know this is all obvious to everyone here. But I certainly think it’s fair and even necessary to criticize his game for being BA oriented, especially when most of the press is still BA oriented as well.

p.s. Guzman lifetime OPS: .696; Puckett lifetime OPS: .837. Hey, you brought it up!

Funny, though — I brought this up just to say that Cristian was no Kirby, but I was surprised to see how low Puckett’s career OPS was. Apparently he was a little too BA oriented himself!

by by jiminy on Jun 2, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slugging
Cristian Guzman is batting .329 this year, compared to an average BA of .259 in the NL. Looks very impressive.

Surprisingly (to me at least) he is outslugging the league .451 to .409, causing him to outpace the league average OPS .793 to .744.

This isn’t actually all that surprising – slugging average includes batting average, so his 70-point advantage in batting average gives him a 70-point advantage in slugging average before extra-base hits are figured in. His isolated power (SLG – BA) is almost 30 points below average – he is getting base hits at an above-average rate but gets fewer extra bases per hit.

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by BeefMaster on Jun 2, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks!

Thanks, that does indeed totally explain it. I was not taking into account that the definition of slugging percentage is “total bases per at bat,” not “total bases per plate appearance.” Since SLG ignores the contributions of walks, it by definition is a bit “BA oriented” as well — and a high SLG is therefore not as good an indication of power as isolated power. Thanks for clarifying that!

by by jiminy on Jun 3, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly agree

Shortstop is a huge problem. I don’t see anyone in the minor league system that will be able to help as soon as next year. I don’t question a lot of the front office’s decisions, but it was stupid to sign a utility infielder and install him as the shortstop.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Jun 1, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Punto has outearned his contract every year he’s been a Twin. Is he an all-star? No. Is he a perfectly acceptable 9 hole shortstop? yes. His defense has been bad this year but to blame the Twins struggles on Punto is a little unnecessary in my book.

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by fetch9 on Jun 1, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree

He certainly won’t outearn his contract this year. And he hasn’t since he made the minimum. He’s a replacement level player/AAAA player at best for his career. And, yes, he should hit a little as a number nine hitter. You just can’t have an OPS+ below 50 and expect to stay employed as a major leaguer, unless you have top defensive skills. Punto’s defense is mediocre.

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by cmathewson on Jun 1, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well he outearned it by a ton last year. His defense was worth 10.2 runs last year, 17.6 the year before and 13.7 the year before that. Granted cherry-picking one year is shoddy work, but he was worth almost half of a Joe Mauer last year.

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by fetch9 on Jun 1, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defense alone doesn't cut it

Last year he was about average overall, for a half a season of full-time play (377 PAs). So perhaps that was worth the salary we paid him last year. In 2007, he was several runs below replacement level when you factor in THE WORST OFFENSE FOR A THIRD BASEMAN IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME. The year before that he was slightly above replacement level. To sum up, he’s had one half a year significantly above replacement level in his career. At age 31 they gave him a market-leading contract (on par with Orlando Hudson). He most certainly is not earning it.

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by cmathewson on Jun 1, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he’s not earning it this year, but people who say that he hasn’t earned it the last couple years (he even did in 07 due to his defense) just have their head in the sand. Fans just need to find a scapegoat, and we probably should be focusing on Delmon, one of the worst regulars in baseball, rather than Punto.

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by fetch9 on Jun 1, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

he even did in 07 due to his defense

Um a 52 OPS+ is not earning anything. I’m sorry, but he was not even earning a rookie salary that year.

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by cmathewson on Jun 1, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cannot agree about his value to the team

If we consider him realistically, which other team in the league would be playing Punto at this rate? I would venture to say you would have few to no takers if Punto were offered up as trade bait (more like trade chum). Citing runs defensed needs to be balanced with Ks when runners are in scoring position and failures to bunt runners over and failures to even advance runners. He is almost completely useless as hitter—in every respect: no power, no OBP, no BA, not a particualrly good eye (although I’m sure that pitchers usually go right after him because they know of his inabilities). Even those who love his defense should admit, he is no Ozzie Guillen or Mark Belanger, so he cannot make up for his awful hitting IMHO.

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by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Jun 1, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Acceptable #9 hitter

If the Twins had eight good offensive players in the lineup every day, yeah, Punto would be acceptable in the #9 spot. As it is, there are, at best, six good offensive players in the lineup. To combine Punto, Tolbert/Casilla and Young/Gomez makes for a lot of short, easy innings.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Jun 2, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not too many teams would consider a 39 OPS+ an aceeptable number nine hitter

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by cmathewson on Jun 2, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Shortstop hasn’t been the Twins’ biggest hole this season – that’s been second base. As bad as Punto has been offensively, he’s been a whole lot better than the two-headed monster of Casilla and Tolbert (Tolbert actually has a bit higher OPS than Punto, although Punto has a much better OBP). It’s not just the left side of the middle infield that’s a shambles right now.

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by BeefMaster on Jun 2, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes, but....

We seem to have options at second. If Casilla can’t get back to being the productive hitter he was before he got hurt last year, we have Tolleson, and Dinkelman and Singleton, and…

At short we have Plouffe (620 OPS) and Ortiz (562), and Cates (653). Ramon Santana as a 1.031 OPS for Beloit, so he’s the shortstop of the future at this moment in time. That gives us a four-year gap till we have a real shortstop. Ladendorf was a second-round draft choice last year and he couldn’t even make the Beloit roster out of JC after a disappointing year in Rookie ball.

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by cmathewson on Jun 2, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Twins Shortstop

If the Twins are looking for shortstop check out the Mariners current SS/Betancourt. Not a bad hitter, some power-a free swinger. He does not walk much. He is inconsistent in the field—makes spectacular fielding play then makes a poor throw now and then.

Mariners need starting pitching prospects as they are likely going to trade WASHBURN & BEDARD and possibly Batista (who can start or relieve) and SILVA is on the DL.

Betancourt is fast-it’s a treat to see him leg out a triple!

by geneseehill on Jun 2, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh.

Dave Cameron would like to have a word with you.

by DK on Jun 2, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

caught him,

geneseehill IS Dave Cameron…

by montanatwinsfan on Jun 2, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Betencourte's defense is horrid

His UZR/150 is -30. No wonder Cameron wants his GM to trade him to the Twins. He also has an OPS+ of 69. No thanks.

I also resent his implication that Twins FO doesn’t use advanced stats. Every organization uses advanced stats. Every organization uses scouting. Some place more emphasis on one over the other. But you’d be stupid to ignore whatever information you can get, including UZR/150 and OPS+.

He doesn’t pass the Harris test (is he better than Brendan Harris?)

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by cmathewson on Jun 2, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't this whole thread (and half the posts on this site) about how stupid the Twins FO is?

I’d be very interested to see some evidence that the Twins FO uses advanced metrics, or even knows what UZR is. The articles I’ve read have led me to believe their number-crunching doesn’t extend beyond RsBI and fielding percentage.

Anyway, I completely agree about Betancourt. I don’t think Casilla’s going to end up being very good, but I wouldn’t trade a bag of baseballs for Yuniesky.

by DK on Jun 3, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know Rob Antony crunches these numbers

He’s alluded to them on the air. But he’s only one voice among Radcliff, Ryan, Kelly and others. The point is, the guys with the strongest voices in the organization favor scouting. So it leans that way.

The idea that the Twins would trade Casilla and Morales for Betancourt is a Cameron wet dream. Each individual is more valuable than Betancourt, both in terms of scouting and numbers. The Twins are not stupid.

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by cmathewson on Jun 3, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

2B, SS, 3B

Help me out here. My assumption is that the only reason Punto got SS this year was because they are paying him too much to sit on the bench. Harris has potential, maybe he’ll really show it before Punto is back.

2B is simply weak every way you look at it.

3B is unreliable. Crede’s only got a one-year contract right and right now he’s set to play as many games as Everett did. So Buscher or Harris has to fill that hole anyway.

Harris better than Casilla, Tolbert, Buscher, and Punto? Sure. He’s probably going to have to fill one of those positions next year, which still leaves the other two up in the air. Right now, he’s really the only guy who can (sometimes) hit in the bottom half of the line-up when Crede’s hurt. Embarrassing that Punto is worthless as a trade, but does Delmon Young have any value out there? Could we trade him for a better infielder? Without Young, 2 of the 3 outfielders are still consistent offensively. Plus Kubel’s around as a backup.

For this year, at the very least Buscher needs some AAA time so we can see the potential of other minor league infielders. I assume once Punto’s back, Tolbert will be sent down anyway.

by HollyGoNightly on Jun 3, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

2B, 3B

The 3B of the future is Danny Valencia, the best hitter in the Eastern League and on par with Crede defensively. He should be promoted to AAA any day now and will be ready next year.

If Casilla doesn’t get back to the form he had last year before he got hurt, the Twins have two second basemen who can take over. Steven Tolleson is in AAA and Brian Dinkelman is in AA.

The best shorstop in the system is Ramon Santana in Beloit. He’s several years away. So the thought is, we need someone to play short until he’s ready. Preferably that would be an upgrade over Harris, especially defensively. If not, it wouldn’t be the end of the world. But it is our biggest organizational hole.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 3, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

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