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Twins should get Freddy Sanchez

In their years in Minnesota, the Twins have seldom been big players at the trade deadline.  When they have been players it has been as a seller.  This year should be different


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The Twins have a fine top two-thirds of their order.  The order also is overloaded with good left handed bats.  There has been a "black hole" at second base.  Alexi Casilla and Matt Tolbert have been tried and found wanting.  Adding a .300 hitter with a little pop who hits from the right side would give the Twins the best lineup they have had since 1991.  There's power, there's some speed, there are a couple of aggressive hitters and a couple of very selective hitters.

Freddie Sanchez can help the Twins greatly.  He is well paid, and might be a free agent next year or the year after.  There is a club option which vests with 635 plate appearances.  Barring injury, Sanchez would probably make the 635 PAs.  Because of the relatively expensive contract and the fact that he is not a power hitter and doesn't have great speed, the Twins shouldn't have to break the bank to acquire him.  Sanchez is 31, and pretty good with the glove.  He has proven to be an excellent percentage hitter.  Hitting between Span and Mauer should give him plenty of good pitches to hit and, as mentioned, would really fortify the lineup.  It also would put Punto where he is most valuable, as a utility player.

The question alway is, what  will it cost in terms of talent?  I think if the Twins sent Casilla, who showed last year he could perform well in the big leagues, a ready AAA arm (Mulvey or Swarzak) and perhaps another player, that should be enough.  I think this would set the Twins up well for the remainder of the '09 campaign and would most likely take away a question mark for the following season. 

Here's the lineup I would foresee:

 

Span   lf

Sanchez  2b

Mauer  c

Morneau  1b

Cuddyer   rf

Kubel  dh

Crede  3b

Harris  ss

Gomez  cf

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I've been meaning to write about this...

…because I like Sanchez, too. And I’m sure we have something the Pirates would want in return. I’ll have to look into this more, but I will get around to exploring this idea eventually.

by Jesse on Jun 17, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been talking about Sanchez as well

He’s an obviously interesting possibility, especially since the Pirates have already started moving players. That club option is appealing too—$8 milliion for next season seems eminently reasonable. It does automatically vest as you note.

He’s a nice player. I would be hesitant to give up Swarzak to get him at that price, but I certainly would give something useful. If they insisted on Swarzak, I might still do it. Tough call.

I agree, he would really help lengthen the lineup.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 17, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok, but not Swarzak

If we can get him for casilla and someone else besides Swarzak I say yes.

But I don’t like messing with a batting order that has been working. I say put him at the 5 spot and let kubel and Crede hit him in at 6 and 7.

by Swedishdest on Jun 17, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gutierrez and Casilla?

Gutierrez and Morales?

I think I’d do either of those

by Eric in Madison on Jun 17, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gut?

You have to be kidding me! Gut is the best pitching prospect for the Twins…better than Swarzak, Hunt, anybody. We could get buy back Santana if we wanted to trade Gut. This is a really stupid idea!

by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 19, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Already been talked about a long time now

Actually after seeing him in this series I say DON"T GET HIM now!

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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 18, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Either Sanchez or Wilson

I like both of them. I think you could have either for Casilla and Perkins. I’d do it.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 18, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jack Wilson? Really?

It’s not entirely clear to me that he’s much better than Punto at this point.

I don’t think the Pirates make that deal for Sanchez. I would absolutely do that if they would.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 18, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilson

I hadn’t looked at his numbers. But watching him play, he is head and shoulders above Punto.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 18, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking at Wilson's numbers

He hasn’t been great. Only twice above league average. But he has been consistently above replacement level since his second year. Punto, on the other hand, has had four seasons below replacement level, one season at replacement level and, two seasons above replacement level but below league average. As far as career OPS+, Punto is 73 (slightly above replacement level). Wilson is 79, which isn’t great, but is an upgrade over Punto. Whether he’s worh the money is another issue.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 18, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, as bad as Punto might be a slight exaggeration

but he’s been pretty bad. 7 of his 9 years have been bad with the bat. That includes 4 of his last 5 including this year. OPS+ of 74, 77, 105, 77, and 84 this year since 2005.

I don’t see that as a solution.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 18, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilson would be an improvement over Punto,

But improvement enough to surrender both Casilla AND Perkins? I don’t see that being worth it.

by montanatwinsfan on Jun 18, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly it

If Wilson were a free agent, then leaving it at a Punto comparison is good. Problem is, he has to be enough of an improvement to justify giving up Casilla-Perkins, or whetever.

by Adam Peterson on Jun 20, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell

Hell, I’d give up Swarzak in a second. He’s one of a bunch of identical pitchers in our system.

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by AdamOnFirst on Jun 18, 2009 2:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

We have a surplus of guys who, at best, project as #3 guys in the rotation. Perkins, Blackburn, Swarzak, Mulvey, Manship, etc. These guys have value, but we’re not going to a 7 man rotation…

by Adam Peterson on Jun 20, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd go Swarzak, Casilla and Slama for Sanchez

Based on the McClouth trade, the Pirates will probably require three players

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 18, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You think it would take that much, really?

McLouth has a much better contract situation—he’s under K through 2011 for reasonable money. I’m not sure I wouldn’t do that trade you post above, but my sense is you could do it for less.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 18, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McLouth

McLouth is a vastly more valuable player than Sanchez.

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by ravenfly on Jun 18, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanchez would be another cornerstone player

I would trade any three players who project to league average or below for any one player who projects to All-Star caliber at any position of need, as long as the guy doesn’t make a bazillion dollars.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 19, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if he were 5 years younger than he is

and under team control for more than another year and a half, then sure. But he isn’t young anymore, especially for a 2B.

by Eric in Madison on Jun 19, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Control

I don’t give up the three players for a year and a half of Sanchez. And he’s well removed from All-Star caliber. Above average, yes, but not an all star.

by Adam Peterson on Jun 20, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some Numbers...

Twins team 2B performance, followed by MLB rank.
AVG = .188 (Last)
OBP = .249 (Last)
SLG = .250 (Last)
OPS = .499 (Last)
wOBA = .233 (Last)
UZR = -10.3 (Last)
UZR/150 = -18.8 (Last)

In all fairness they’ve been a little unlucky as well … BABIP = .226 … which would also rank last in MLB.

I think 2B would be a good spot to look to upgrade. Freddy Sanchez would look good in the #2 hole.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by B-Ville on Jun 18, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...
In all fairness they’ve been a little unlucky as well … BABIP = .226 … which would also rank last in MLB.

I just looked them up on FanGraphs, and I’m not entirely sure that they actually are unlucky. In addition to the lowest BABIP in the league, they also have the lowest line drive rate. As of today, that shows up at .233 BABIP and 12.7% LD. You generally expect BABIP to be LD%+.120, which brings them to a still-wretched .247, which would give them an extra three hits. Beyond that, they have the third-highest infield fly rate and the sixth-lowest HR/FB – they hit a lot of balls that are caught in the air.

From an individual perspective, Tolbert has a BABIP of .227, but his LD% is a shade under 10%, so he’s at just about what you’d expect. Casilla looks like he might have been unlucky (.222 BABIP, 14.7% LD), but he has a ridiculous 24% infield fly rate, so I don’t know that it’s really luck – pop-ups are probably the least-likely balls in play to become hits (NOTE: does not apply to outfield flies to Nyjer Morgan at the Metrodome).

I’d guess the percentage of IFFB that become hits is pretty much zero, so I’m wondering if outliers like Casilla present a limitation of the “LD%+.120” guideline. I’m guessing that "LD% + ((120+LgAvgIFFB%)-IFFB%) would be more accurate for guys who pop the ball up especially frequently or rarely.

Joe Mauer has an IFFB% of 0, which I believe is further evidence that he is not fully human.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jun 19, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mauer

He has progressed beyond IFFB.

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by ravenfly on Jun 19, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sanchez

Offer Casilla, Matt Fox, and Tyler Robertson or Bromberg from High A ball for Sanchez.

by Twinsoholic on Jun 19, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd actually rather offer Swarzak than Robertson

Swarzak is a mid-rotation starter. That’s his upside. Robertson is a number 2 or a number 1. Think Liriano with better control. I don’t know if I would trade Robertson for Sanchez straight up.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 19, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather do Robertson

Although Robertson has more upside, there’s far greater risk, given his shoulder. IMO, it’s a ticking time bomb.

by Adam Peterson on Jun 20, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C-Math John Sickles rated Ty Robertson that way in 2008 (as he was our #1 prospect)
but in 2009 I think Sickles had Robertson quite a bit lower than that…

Does he still project as a #2 starter, I was beginning to think he was more of a #4 now.

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 20, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The only thing devaluing Robertson is the injury he had last year

But it didn’t require surgery—just rest. Meanwhile, he’s a big strong 21-year-old lefthander with a 55% GB% and a 16% K percentage. He’s my third-best pitching prospect in the org (behind Gutierrez and Gibson). Swarzak is good, but he doesn’t have the upside of Robertson. Absent that upside, a young pitcher is not likely to break into the rotation for the Twins in two or three years.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 20, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think youre all willing to give way too much to the Pirates for Freddy Sanchez, Casillas and a decent pitching prospect would probably get it done, nothing more than that hes old, a bad defender and on an expensive-ish contract.

by Ohpityme on Jun 21, 2009 7:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad defender?

He looked pretty good when he played here earlier in the week. His UZR/150 numbers are all over the map in his career. If you normalize them, he’s an average defender range wise. But he’s good around the bag and has a great arm. So I’d rate him an above average second baseman defensively. No other second baseman fits this team better than Sanchez offensively.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 21, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UZR all over the map

I wonder why he’s had such fluctuation in his defensive numbers…

I’d love to insert Sanchez right between Span and Mauer. Plus, get Punto-Tolbert-Casilla out of the every day starting lineup.

by Adam Peterson on Jun 21, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UZR fluctuates with pitching?

I see a lot of fluctuation in UZR across the league, except among elite defenders. It would be interesting to find out why in general.

One hypothesis is that it gets worse with worse pitching and better with better pitching. It’s a lot easier to defend if your pitcher is executing on his pitches. For example, if the pitch is called on the outside part of the plate for a right-handed batter, you’re thinking the hitter is more likely to shoot the ball the other way. As a second baseman, you can prepare for that first step if you know the pitcher will execute the pitch as called. If a pitcher is all over the place, it’s tougher to get a good first step. To test this hypothesis, you could just overlay a player’s UZR against team xFIP and see if there’s a correlation year to year. It would be pretty crude, but it might point to a reason..

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 22, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another hypothesis

ubelmann had a post over at SBG last week pointing out that second basemen and shortstops appear to have fairly strong effects on each other’s defensive stats. For example, both Derek Jeter and Michael Young saw their defensive numbers go way up after Alfonso Soriano (a notorious defensive butcher at second) departed, and Ian Kinsler’s numbers at second improved after Young (who was also terrible, just not quite as terrible as being next to Soriano made him look) was moved from short to third.

… and, after I wrote that paragraph, I realized that Jack Wilson’s been a fixture at short for the Bucs for about a half a decade now – that’s probably not it (although it might still be interesting to check whether Wilson’s UZR correlates at all with Sanchez’s.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jun 22, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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