Game 72: Minnesota Twins @ Milwaukee Brewers
by Jesse on Jun 23, 2009 7:24 PM EDT
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It's my brother's birthday tomorrow, and he'll be in Milwaukee catching part of the Twins-Brewers series before heading to St. Louis and Chicago. I'm not jealous. I just want to chop him in the neck and wish him a happy birthday.
And I'm also jealous.
Starting Pitchers
Did you know that Suppan made his major league debut when he was 20? Well, he did. And so, in his 15th year in the league, Suppan continues to do what he's done for most of his long yet not always distinguished career: get along. None of his stats really stand out, other than his career-best ground ball rate of 51.4%, and for all his base runners he's lucky for that. That stat widget wouldn't look nearly as acceptable if some of those hits were line drives or home runs. Right now, the best thing you can say about Suppan is that he limits the damage by keeping the ball on the ground. If the Twins are patient and wait for their pitches, which they'll definitely get, they should have the opportunity to put up enough runs to win the game. But if Suppan can time the outs right and get that incredibly slow curveball to work how he likes it to, he could very well shut the Twins down. It's happened before.
Cisco's ERA came down for the third consecutive game last Wednesday, and he has to be hoping for more of the same today. The Twins need him to be the pitcher he's capable of being as we enter the heat of summer. As has been the case for virtually the entire season, Liriano's focus needs to be on a number of things. 1: Limit the number of walks. 2: Keep the ball in the park. 3: When running into trouble, keep calm and make the pitch that needs to be made. It's a combination of loose mechanics and loose focus that seem to give good starts a nasty hiccup, and suddenly a four-run 30-pitch inning has ruined the four goose-eggs he just put up to start the game. If he can succeed on the three points above, he'll be able to go deeper into the game and give his offense plenty of time to throw up some run support.
McGehee is having one helluva year, so it's good to see Kendall leading off. Both Braun and Fielder are having great seasons as well, so it'll be a trial every time the Twins have to cut through the middle of that order. Hardy and Hall aren't having years they've had in the past, but both Hart and Cameron can be dangrous if not paid proper respect.
With Span returning on Thursday, Gomez is getting at least one more shot to lead off, sandwiched between Young and Cuddyer in the outfield; no sign of Kubel. Hopefully he'll be available off the bench later in the game. The 2 - 6 hitters will need to get their jobs done today, because contributions from the other four will be a crap shoot as usual.
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Because Suppan is right-handed...
…I’d rather see Kubel struggling to play left field than Delmon struggling to play left field. At least that way we’d have Kubel’s bat.
Predictions...
1—Delmon Young HR (Just to prove my first comment wrong)
2—Joe Mauer gets two hits and a walk
3—J-Mo HR
4—Liriano 6 IP, 7 K, 3 R
5—Twins 6, Brewers 4
Really wish Kubel was in the Line-up
It pains me to watch a game when Delmon plays
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds"
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by RileysCannibalJct on Jun 23, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions
Hear that?
It’s the bullpen. It’s calling for Frankie.
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Remember Radke....
He would do this every start…..come out in the first and give up a run or two. It pisses me off somethin fierce
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by RileysCannibalJct on Jun 23, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions
Remember Favre?
He used to throw ALL of those interceptions in the fourth quarter to doom his team when it really counted…
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
While we are at it
Remember when Blyleven dropped the f-bomb on the pregame show? I look at that on you tube every chance i get
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by RileysCannibalJct on Jun 23, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I figured I could get a reaction on the "favre" topic, you being in football mode and all.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
HA ha ha
I wont waste any more energy typing about Farve…..oh wait I just did….DAMNIT montanatwinsfan you bastard you got me : )
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds"
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by RileysCannibalJct on Jun 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Liriano's body language is all wrong
on the mound in the first and during that at bat. Gonna be a short night for him imo.
I know I am butchering Cmath's argument here but,
didn’t he argue against luck playing any kind of significant role in a game of talent like baseball?
How else can you account for a 3rd strike “wild” pitch pitch that allows Cuddyer to load the bases for Crede instead of being the 3rd out to end the inning scoreless.
Or how about the bottom of the inning with two on no outs and Ryan Braun, an impressive hitter, hits a pop infield fly instead of a sac or a hit.
luck.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
Gomez
He’s obviously not our best player but you gotta love how hard he tries and how much he wants to win
Kubel
Does anyone understand why Kubel isn’t in the lineup it does not make sense to me
Delmon Young is a fantastic baseball player.
Easily a top-five candidate for the Cy Young award.
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He's not going to get demoted.
he has options and would never make it through
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
OK THATS IT
Somebody take the Butter out of Delmon Young’s shoes
also It is TIME to put Frankie Liriano in the bullpen untill he figures something out….
he isn’t even close to even his level last year/// ugh
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 23, 2009 9:08 PM EDT reply actions
let Keppel start at least a game or something……sheeeesh
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Your disdain for Delmon at the bat
is clouding your judgment. He did nothing wrong in the field today. He’s actually played well out there for the last month. That play he made on the track was a very nice play today too.
well,
I haven’t had a chance to watch a game this year yet, but I saw a 1/2 dozen games and Delmon looked AWFULLY awkward, slow, and cumbersome even when he made the play. Everyone says he is actually fast so I suspect his bulk disguises his speed, but whatever – it is easy to look at him and assume he is a poor defender.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not a Gold Glover
but he’s been OK in LF lately. Beginning of the year he had some awkwardness.
yep,
Last start, I think it was “Loon” was really agitating for Liriano to be replaced in the rotation, but I for one thought that was a bit rash…
I’ll tell ya’ I think I’m eating my words tonight. Liriano is just not looking good.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Calling it...
Grand slam from Liriano!
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We were talking about Liriano/run support the other night here
Well, here you go Frankie. Too bad he’ll be lucky to get thru 5 tonight. :(
No other pitcher
throws like Franny does….its just strange looking
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by RileysCannibalJct on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
If it is true
I like it…two picks in the top 10. Plus Foye is a waste of time…seems like a head case
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by RileysCannibalJct on Jun 23, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
Here's a scenario... what do you think?
Love to Memphis for 2nd (to draft Rubio)
Trade 6 and 18 to Oklahoma for 3rd (to draft Thabeet)
Draft Harden with 5th
Use 28th as trade bait for either of the above deals.
That would give us a killer starting five for years to come. As much as I would like to see that 5 and 6 stay together, this would be hard to pass up:
PG: Rubio
SG: Harden
SF: Gomes
PF: Big Al
C: Thabeet
And Brewer. Nice, huh?
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by Andersklasen on Jun 23, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
heres my scenerio
Trade G-Randy Foye (cough should be Roy cough) and G/F-Mike MIller and F Craig Smith
To Washington Wizards for Pick # 5 Overall in the draft and PG Gilbert Arenas and maybe Etan Thomas or some cap filler for Wiz.
Trade Pick 5 and 18th
for #2 overall and Draft PG Ricky Rubio
Trade pick 6 and 28
for pick #4 and Draft C Hasheem Thabeet
NEW LINEUP:
PG Arenas
G Brewer
F Gomes
F Jefferson
C Thabeet
-
6th MAN Ricky RUBIO!!!!!! (the next Manu Ginobli)
7 Kevin LOVE!!!!!
8 Thomas
9 Telfair
10 Pechovic (last years 31st overall)
11 Cardinal / Madson
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 24, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
sooner or later
Mark Madsen will be gone right? or is he just filler space? all he does is sit on the bench because he is so terrible at playing basketball now.
Foye, Miller, and Smith
for 5th AND Arenas?
I think you’re dreaming. Wake up.
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by Andersklasen on Jun 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really.....
Arenas is waaay overpayed and can’t seem to play more than a dozen games for the Wiz in each of the last 2 seasons…..I think we should throw in Telfair then. (anyway)
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jun 24, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This ump has a tight strike zone
For both teams. The Brewers got into a mode where they don’t want to swing.
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0 for the last 9
According to TRN
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jun 23, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It's either the SI curse or all that luck he had sved up coming back to haunt him
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
...Or his flu.
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by Andersklasen on Jun 23, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
blasphemer
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What're you doing up?
And thank you ever so much for that reminder.
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by Andersklasen on Jun 23, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Andrew! My man!
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
I'm off work tomorrow...was up playing Madden...
…had to stop and say hi and check on the game before I hit the sack.
Gotcha
No need to explain yourself. I’ve been there.
In fact, I’m off tomorrow as well. Hmm…
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by Andersklasen on Jun 23, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
not having a job (well a very steady one anyways) is awesome. Not going to lie.
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except for all of the PBJ and eggs and rice and water and bread and such...
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The Ramon Noodles are a plus, though.
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by Andersklasen on Jun 23, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It's spelled "Ramen".
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
My bad. I'm just missing Ramon Oriz.
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by Andersklasen on Jun 23, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
true
well I’m only 21 so I’m still used to eating like a kid. It’s not bad.
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That knuckleball is nasty.
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
Imagine if Dickey had one extra tendon...........
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
Did Dick just say:
“Dickey covers, Liriano flips, and the inning is over.”
Is there something about a double switch that I don’t understand?
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See if my math is right here,
Liriano ended 5 innings with 7 hits and 5 walks. Does that mean he had a WHIP of 2.o?
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions
I want to see R.A. Dickey hit a homer.
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
I want to see Dickey go 4 innings
scoreless of course
by ajmargarine on Jun 23, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
and hit a homer.
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
I'm telling ya' tomorrow's headline:
“Dickey firm in long relief”
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
that is awesome - using that on my blog
I’ll give you an h/t no worries. Now we gotta hope he does well :) haha
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Wow. A FAIL comment.
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by Andersklasen on Jun 23, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Gomez has 3 hits and 2 RBI, what'd ya know!?
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should be in there everyday
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When Span comes back, I hope Delmon sits
Did anybody catch delmon falling down on the first grounder he tried to catch? My wife said he looked like a statue out there.
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Young is awful
I just hope him hitting the ball well the past couple games doesn’t make gardy put him in there all the time. I saw on MLBTR that Delmon is being shopped pretty aggressively
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Yeah, and a lot of good at bats
worked the count and took tough breaking pitches
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Like I said earlier...
He’s easily a top five candidate for the Cy Young Award in the AL.
… after this series he may even squeak into contention in the NL.
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by Andersklasen on Jun 23, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Is our bullpen reliable enough that I can switch to America’s Got Talent?
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"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
After tonight's game Mauer needs 223 PA.
He has 206 so far.
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by Andersklasen on Jun 23, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
day to day
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you so sure?
being that he just left this game with aggravated chest. Gardy will not want to sacrifice a bench spot (I hope) to keep Punto only day to day when he is obviously hurt.
The Twins beat writer said so
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yes that was prior to todays game
but he left THIS game with an aggravated chest. Plus, Creamcakes knows nothing.
Plus, Creamcakes knows nothing.
Why do you persist in such snotnosed dismissiveness? You’ve never met Ms. Theiser, and you have no idea what her journalistic qualifications are. Poor form.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
its generally agreed on this board
that Creamcakes is a flaky, cream-filled head of fluff. Kelly Creamcakes is the worst beat writer (all people agree) in the major leagues.
Kelly
MLB hired her right out of college. She obviously didn’t major in journalism. Perhaps she majored in technical communication because when she first started, her writing was as dry and clumsy as technical documentation. Add to that her mandate to just write what the team tells her to write and her work early on was pretty bad and in some cases misleading.
That said, she’s been on the job for three years and she has improved some. Lacking an editor, however, it’s tough to improve much. As someone who made the transition from tech comm to journalism, I empathize with her challenges. She seems like a nice lady. I regret the name I gave her and my snarky remarks about her in the past. If you’re reading this Kelly, I’m sorry.
I don’t blame her as much as the MLB for trying to do this on the cheap. As newspaper staffs shrink all over the country, you’d think they could hire a journalist editor who can manage these green writers and help grow in their craft by expanding their sources beyond team reps and writing more elegantly.
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About ready to call 'er quits for the night.
But before I throw in a movie I have to see Dickey bat. I have to.
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Dang it!
Stupid Morales. Well, g’night everyone!
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by Andersklasen on Jun 23, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No more Dickey. =(
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
Using Guerrier in a 4 run game so that
we have Henn available tomorrow in a one-run game
by ajmargarine on Jun 23, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
idk why he's doing this
I think we’ll see Nathan in the 9th too.
Just let Dickey go 4 innings and have everyone available but him tomorrow.
by ajmargarine on Jun 23, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
well, the Brewers are running through pitchers too.
So, while your idea seems like a good one, there must be more to it than there appears.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
sadly
i’m good at understanding Gardy’s thinking. Sad, because I disagree with him often. Esp with respect to the bullpen…
by ajmargarine on Jun 23, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
And here comes Nathan
subtle misuse of the bullpen today. We’ll see if it hurts us over the next two days. But a 4-run lead is not a high leverage situation and we run our two best relievers out there. (arguably 3 best with RA)
well, at least he got out of there quickly.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
ya,
really wish he woulda went Dickey 3 and Nathan 1 if he wanted to use Nathan. Saving Matty.
by ajmargarine on Jun 23, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Game over.
MVP – Joe Crede
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
yeah, whadya think?
Crede, Gomez, Dickey?
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Crede, Gomez, Morneau
"He didn’t call me or anything. It was an accident, but a lot of people would have called to see how someone is doing after they got hit in the head. Especially if they had to go on the DL." — Morneau on pitcher Ron Villone after an April 2005 beaning.
Yeah, probably
I’d give it to Dickey if Liriano hadn’t blanked ’em in his last three innings before Dickey came in.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankie gets the win
With 5 BB and 7 runs?
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jun 23, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
Oops 7 hits
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jun 23, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly why measuring a pitcher by his/her win/loss record is downright silly.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Slowey called
Wants to know what cleats to bring to the All-Star game with his league leading victory total!
by ajmargarine on Jun 23, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
: )
: )
You win, I concede. Let’s hope he gets another couple before the break.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
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