Game 56: Twins @ Mariners
by AdamOnFirst on Jun 5, 2009 9:00 PM EDT
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Minnesota Twins at Seattle Mariners, Jun 5, 2009 10:10 PM EDT
Time: 9:10 PM
Broadcasts: FSN, Twins Radio Network
Know Thine Enemy: Lookout Landing
This is the third matchup of these two young talents this year. Felix one the first one, the Twins' home opener with 8 dominating one run innings. Liriano hasn't pitched that well against the Mariners in either contest (or much all year), giving up 9 ER in 12 IP against Seattle so far this year, but was able to pick up the win over Kindg Felix back on May 9 when the Twins lit Felix up for 6 runs in 4 innings. Both M&M boys went deep against Felix in that game.
The Twins have gotten the best of 26-28 Seattle so far this year, holding a 4-3 advantage on the season. All those games, though, were in the Metrodome, and the Twins have notoriously struggled this season on the road with a 6-16 record outside the Dome.
King Felix has been notably worse in pitcher-friendly Safeco than on the road this season, with an ERA almost a full 2 runs higher at home. It could very easily be simple statistical noise, but we'll see if the Twins can jump on his again and continue his home struggles.
As for Liriano? Well, same old thing. Can he control his fastball? When he can he shows flashes of brilliance where he's shutdown effective, if not totally untouchable, but he has failed to do so most of the year. There is still plenty of time for Liriano to figure it out, but for the Twins in 2009 we'd like to see it start to happen soon.
For a really great closer look at some finer points of the series, Jesse did a really awesome write-up on some things to look for over the weekend, it's just below.
GO TWINS!
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Gomez!
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by fetch9 on Jun 5, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish I would be able to stay up and watch this game past the third inning.
Stupid globed Earth.
by Evan Nelson on Jun 5, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it,
are you 9o years old, or currently in Japan?
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 5, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh forgot
I am in MT time and you guys are an hour ahead, still…
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 5, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you sac here?
I hate the sac bunt and wouldn’t, but it’s almost the perfect early inning situation for it with first and second, Mauer and Morneau coming up next
by Eric in Madison on Jun 5, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well they did
and bases loaded for morneau.
by hamburgular17 on Jun 5, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see this is exactly why Casilla at 9 and Mauer at 2 is so beautiful,
now if only Justin can come through…
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 5, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that inning was a little less constructive that I would have liked
but the game is tied up so good news there
by hamburgular17 on Jun 5, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice fielding play by Francisco
Had to jump for a high bouncing bunt and got the runner by a gnat’s whisker
The only stat that counts is W
by wayback on Jun 5, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
central
detroit lost again
this would be a pick up
by clutterheart on Jun 5, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, here comes the 4th inning for Liriano
he’s looked good so far…
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 5, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok,
making Hernandez work a little here… maybe we can knock him out by the 6th?
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 5, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
82 pitches so far
another decent inning could do it. Heck, we might even score some runs
by hamburgular17 on Jun 5, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll have the bottom of the order up, they don’t score runs.
by JonathanR on Jun 5, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but our best chance just flied out with two on.
next two innings we are likely looking at our weakest hitters overall.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 5, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have or know where I could find
the stats regarding % of the time runners score from 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in each different out scenario?
Just want to remind myself the different between having a runner on 2nd with one out and one on 1st with zero outs.
by guinness junky on Jun 5, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
run expectancy matrix
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=204022
0.7178 vs. 0.40824
by DavidRF on Jun 5, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
am I reading it wrong?
I get .7 and .4
by hamburgular17 on Jun 5, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intersetingly
The odds of scoring in either situation are 41% in each. (not based on the number of runs scored)
link
by hamburgular17 on Jun 5, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The optimism here is lacking
but there’s certainly good reasons for this
by hamburgular17 on Jun 5, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
on this board
good things happening though
by hamburgular17 on Jun 5, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Liriano through 6 is something to feel good about.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 5, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Then again, the bullpen in the 7th is no reason for optimism.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt. Gotta go Henn in the 7th probably. Although I don’t know if there are lefties coming up
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by fetch9 on Jun 6, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Decent
Liriano still walked too many and threw too many pitches, but he did perservere and put in 6 good innings. Hopefully the Twins can get a lead and keep the front end of the bullpen out there.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Jun 6, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did the bullpen get its nickname anyway?
’cuz its generally filled with pitchers who pitch like bullcrap?
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey don't look now, but
the bottom 4 hitters have ALL 6 of our hits so far this game!
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright Kubel,
you can tag this guy.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright Crede,
you can tag this guy.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright Harris,
you can tag this guy.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
pinch run for Crede, our best D MI with one out already?
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
errrr
best D infielder not middle infielder…
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhhh,
stolen base! shows you what little I know. Now it seems worth it.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now we have
a 0.7178 % chance to score.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright Buscher
you can tag this guy.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What in the hell is Tolbert/Ullger doing?
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Son of a gun,
anybody see that play at the plate? Was it close?
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was out by a step at least...
They would have had runners at first and third, and they have had a tough time scoring. Why try to score on that?
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh. It took a good throw to get him and it’s not like the next batter was getting a hit.
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by fetch9 on Jun 6, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesse, CMAth or someone...HELP!
I am on vacation and just spent the last three hours doing this week’s Minor League Report. This bloody new format has me totally messed up. I hit publish and nothing happened. Then I hit save and nothing happened. Went back to the Home Part of the site hoping it was there. It isn’t. Can someone who knows how to do stuff here please find it and publish. If not, sorry, but will be travelling the next couple days. Also, Jesse, could you please email me with instructions on what is now needed to do this report and actually get it published. PLEASE, I need your help!
by roger13 on Jun 6, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he was playing deep
and didnt get that great a read on the ball off the very end of the bat.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 6, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoo hoo, DP
makes up for Frickin Gomez!
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Goof work by Guerrier.
He is tied for the most appearances by a reliever this year, but to some people’s surprise, he came into tonight’s game allowed an opponents batting average of .180.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
really dont need extra innings
and a run through our bullpen to start a road trip.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially since we've already...
..used Mijares, Crain, and Guerrier.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RA Dickey time baby!
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by fetch9 on Jun 6, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good at-bat to start the inning. This thing just seems like it’s going to be a long one.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He just
worked over Gomez and Casilla.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good at-bat for Span.
He’s been the perfect leadoff hitter so far this season.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently it isn't only Gardy's hamstring that is hurt...
..Why would you steal with a tie game and the go-ahead runner on with two outs? Some bonehead plays these past few innings.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because you want to score a run, and it is going to be hard for Mauer to get a double the way they are playing. And SEA has been bad at throwing stealers out.
by JonathanR on Jun 6, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was going to end it.
Lets hope Mauer gets to hit again…
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank God for Morny
where we the infield be without him???
by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 6, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All part of Gardy's plan
To have the best hitter in baseball up vs. the third best righthander in Seattle’s pen.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Jun 6, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro gets another shot at extending his hitting streak
by JonathanR on Jun 6, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Deep breath...
I thought it was gone, then caught…
Hopefully we can get a clutch hit.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear Wlad
Holy you suck.
Signed,
Everyone
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by fetch9 on Jun 6, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or..
Dear Wlad,
Glad you finally learned how to run routes like I taught you.
Signed,
Carlos Gomez
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by fetch9 on Jun 6, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Wlad,
Don’t sweat it, you could be worse.
signed,
everyone’s friend, Delmon Young.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This situation is familiar...
Mauer on second, Morneau on first, Kubel at the plate. Hmmm.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was gone!!!
thats two this inning.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 6, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DAMN!
At least Mauer tagged. I thought they doubled him off.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Just the way Lopez reacted by touching the base made me think he went.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Tolbert just please avoid the GIDP!
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Squeeze!
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by fetch9 on Jun 6, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, just cause it didn’t work doesn’t mean the idea was bad
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by fetch9 on Jun 6, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Squeeze
and Mauer is tagged out as Tolbert missed the Squeeze
by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 6, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We’ve thrown away opportunity after opportunity. And we wonder why we’re the worst road team in the league at 6-16 away from home. First and second with no outs and we’re about to score nothing.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear Wlad
I will buy you a steak dinner after the game.
Signed,
Matt Tolbert
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by fetch9 on Jun 6, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank goodness
we needed an error and we got one.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear Wlad,
Don’t sweat it, you could be worse.
signed,
everyone’s friend, Delmon Young.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear Wlad,
your mother can’t spell either.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Joe mows down the first two, allows a single to Ichiro, and then picks him off.
by Kaine on Jun 6, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Ichiro and want his hitting streak to stay alive.
by Kaine on Jun 6, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nathan hasn't been very good in Seattle.
Isn’t this where he blew two straight saves last season? Ichiro will bat, and Griffey is on the bench.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Describe the error...
What happened on Tolbert’s hit? I’m web-only here. Thanks.
by DavidRF on Jun 6, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheap error
It went off the tip of his glove
The only stat that counts is W
by wayback on Jun 6, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gladden said
Wlad simply closed his glove before the ball touched cleanly.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it just tipped off the end of his outstreched glove
probably should be a hit.
by Kaine on Jun 6, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A tough error
The ball was slicing and over Balentin’s head. He did get leather on it, but it was never inside the glove. Balentin could have taken a better route. He should have taken a better route on Mauer’s ball. I guess I feel like it fair to the Mariners’ pitcher to have one of the balls called an error. A decent outfielder could and probably should catch at least one of the two balls to LF.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Jun 6, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno Ks
Griffey steps to the plate
by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 6, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll face LHP the next five games...
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 1:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great!
Delmon and his right handed bat will be ready for ’em!
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a second...
…I thought your feed was ahead.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I thought
your door was ajar.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least these next two games
will be day games.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
really what time is tomorrow’s?
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by fetch9 on Jun 6, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nm
3 pm
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by fetch9 on Jun 6, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redmond Catching
Redmond will almost certainly catch with the short rest and the LHP. I wonder if Mauer will be in the lineup.
by DavidRF on Jun 6, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro Ks
Twins Win
Ichiro streak is over….YES!!!!
by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 6, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nothing,
he is a hell of a ballplayer.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro is really
very overrated. He is a great player, but he gets far too much press time, probably because he is one of the only successful Japanese players that can play in MLB. Ichiro is very overrated though…
by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 6, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if he extended the streak
is further press for Ichiro.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 6, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus Ichiro is the only player in baseball
to have his first name used…why is that? Why not Suzuki on the back of the jersey? Why is he the only one to have his first name used?
by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 6, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro
Ichiro is his family name, like a last name would be in this country. But in asian cultures your family name is listed first, and your christened name listed second (so somebody named Christopher Johnson in this country would be called Johnson Christopher in an asian convention). So it’s still his surname being listed, it’s just done opposite in asia.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
by AdamOnFirst on Jun 6, 2009 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for answering that MUCH more politely than I was going to.
by montanatwinsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close but not quite
Suzuki is Ichiro’s family name. His father’s name is Nobuyuki Suzuki. In Japanese it would be Suzuki Ichiro, but I have notices many Japanese, such as actor Akira Kurasawa and director Toshiro Mifune, switch their names around when they (or their movies or CDs anyway) come to the US to prevent confusion among us occidentals.
The only stat that counts is W
by wayback on Jun 6, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A road win...
And back to .500 on the season. Good game for Franchise.
by Twins Territory on Jun 6, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
excellent game for the Franchise
interesting to see what happens when Perkins comes back.
Perkins had a horrible start yesterday in Fort Myers. He gave up two homers, five runs, 3 BB (?), 5 K, in only 4 IP. Not a very reassuring sign at A-ball.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jun 6, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nathan just might have made the All Star Team again
Getting a K on Ichiro to win the game is the kind of thing that draws attention
The only stat that counts is W
by wayback on Jun 6, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Guy fails to make it to atleast near Williams's 56 game hitting streak.
by Tony_O on Jun 6, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe
Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? :-)
by DavidRF on Jun 6, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
The only stat that counts is W
by wayback on Jun 6, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak...
don’t know where i got williams…Maybe its the Alcohol ha
by Tony_O on Jun 6, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer now 34 PA short
His numbers slipped to 0.430/0.514/0.833
0-34 puts him at 0.331/0.414/0.642
by DavidRF on Jun 6, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great win!
This is a great win for so many reasons.
The Twins needed to get off to a great start on this crucial trip, and to get a win to start the series increases the odds of the Twins winning the series at Seattle, which is a must for a good road trip. Plus, with the White Sox and the Tigers losing tonight, the Twins gained a game in the standings, which makes this win even special.
The story of the game was Liriano and the bullpen.
Did anyone expected Liriano to match up well against Felix Hernandez? I sure didn’t, but for one night, he was great, and I liked how he attacked instead of nibbling in geting out of jams there. He had to step up considering he might be in the bullpen soon. He is pitching for his starting role right now, and it was nice to see him do something about it with this start.
I am not a Jessie Crain fan, but for one night, he did not screw up. Even better was Gardenhire taking Crain out after 2 outs and let Jose Mijaries do his thing.
It was good to get that leading run in the 10th because I did not want to see Luis Ayala in a tie game.
I thought the hitting was okay tonight.
Twins played a good game, and they earned a win.
Let’s hope the Twins get it done this afternoon on Fox Saturday Baseball.
by Loon on Jun 6, 2009 6:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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