Draft Day Open Thread
by Jesse on Jun 9, 2009 8:00 AM EDT
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Round 1 Archives
Pick 1: Washington Nationals, Stephen Strausburg, RHP
Pick 2: Seattle Mariners, Dustin Ackley, CF/1B
Pick 3: San Diego Padres, Donavan Tate, CF
Pick 4: Pittsburgh Pirates, Jorge Sanchez, C
Pick 5: Baltimore Orioles, Matthew Hobgood, RHP
Pick 6: San Francisco Giants, Zack Wheeler, RHP
Pick 7: Atlanta Braves, Mike Minor, LHP
Pick 8: Cincinnati Reds, Mike Leake, RHP
Pick 9: Detroit Tigers, Jacob Turner, RHP
Pick 10: Washington Nationals, Drew Storen, RHP
Pick 11: Colorado Rockies, Tyler Matzek, LHP
Pick 12: Kansas City Royals, Aaron Crow, RHP
Pick 13: Oakland Athletics, Grant Green, SS
Pick 14: Texas Rangers, Matt Purke, LHP
Pick 15: Cleveland Indians: Alex White, RHP
Pick 16: Arizona Diamondbacks: Bobby Borchering, 3B
Pick 17: Arizona Diamondbacks: A.J. Pollock, CF
Pick 18: Florida Marlins: Chad James, LHP
Pick 19: St. Louis Cardinals: Shelby Miller, RHP
Pick 20: Toronto Blue Jays: Chad Jenkins, RHP
Pick 21: Houston Astros, Jiovanni Mier, SS
Pick 22: Minnesota Twins, Kyle Gibson, RHP
Pick 23: Chicago White Sox, Jared Mitchell, CF
Pick 24: Los Angeles Angels, Randal Grichuk, RF
Pick 25: Los Angeles Angels, Mike Trout, CF
Pick 26: Milwaukee Brewers, Eric Arnett, RHP
Pick 27: Seattle Mariners, Nick Franklin, SS
Pick 28: Boston Red Sox, Reymond Fuentes, CF
Pick 29: New York Yankees, Zack Heathcott, CF
Pick 30: Tampa Bay Rays, LeVon Washington, 2B
Pick 31: Chicago Cubs, Brett Jackson, CF
Pick 32: Colorado Rockies, Tim Wheeler, CF
With the draft about to kick off, here's MLB.com's revised Top 10 boad
Washington: Stephen Strausburg, RHP
Seattle: Dustin Ackley, 1B/OF
San Diego: Donovan Tate, OF
Pittsburgh: Tony Sanchez, C
Baltimore: Zack Wheeler, RHP
San Francisco: Tyler Matzek, LHP
Atlanta: Mike Minor, LHP
Cincinatti: Alex White, RHP
Detroit: Shelby Miller, RHP
Washington: Drew Storen, RHP
The 2009 amateur-entry draft kicks off tonight at 5pm central time. We'll have coverage tonight of the Twins top picks. In the mean time, feel free to kick around a little discussion.
There's been a lot of talk about Minnesota drafting a prep pitcher in the first round, something they haven't done since 2004 with Kyle Waldrop and Jay Rainville
20 Years of Twins 1st-Round Picks
2008: Aaron Hicks
2008: Carlos Gutierrez
2008: Shooter Hunt
2007: Ben Revere
2006: Chris Parmelee
2005: Matt Garza
2005: Henry Sanchez
2004: Trevor Plouffe
2004: Glen Perkins
2004: Kyle Waldrop
2004: Matt Fox
2004: Jay Rainville
2003: Matt Moses
2002: Denard Span
2001: Joe Mauer
2000: Adam Johnson
2000: Aaron Heilman
1999: B.J. Garbe
1998: Ryan Mills
1997: Michael Cuddyer
1997: Matt LeCroy
1996: Travis Lee
1995: Mark Redman
1994: Todd Walker
1994: Travis Miller
1993: Torii Hunter
1993: Jason Varitek
1993: Mark Barcelo
1993: Kelcey Mucker
1992: Dan Serafini
1991: David McCarty
1991: Scott Stahoviak
1990: Todd Ritchie
1990: Midre Cummings
1989: Chuck Knoblauch
Draft Trivia:
- In the 17th round of the 2000 draft, the Twins drafted Paul Maholm. Maholm went to college, and three years later was drafted in the 8th round by the Pittsburgh Pirates. He's now one of their young, premier players, who's contract was likely a starting point for the long-term Scott Baker deal.
- Another 17th round draft pick, J.J. Putz in 1998, went back to college for a year before being drafted in the sixth round the following season. He's a bit of a head case, but for a short period was one of the game's premier closers.
- 1997 wasn't just a good draft for the Twins, producing a small handful of regulars for future seasons (including J.C. Romero and Michael Restovich), but it was also a draft of fate. Nick Punto was drafted in the 33rd round, but re-entered the draft. Adam Johnson was selected in the 25th round, only to re-surface three years later as the team's number one pick. Kevin Frederick was drafted in the 34th round of the 1998 draft by the Twins, but the season before they'd chosen him in the 17th round.
- In the 33rd round of the '96 draft, the Twins selected Mike Lamb. Another one to return to the draft, he'd return 12 years later.
- Minnesota actually selected Emil "Drop It Like It's Hot" Brown in the 37th round of the 1993 draft. In retrospect, the world rejoiced when he let the Athletics draft him in '94.
- Twenty years ago, in addition to Knoblauch, the Twins also drafted Marty Cordova, Denny Neagle, Scott Erickson, Mike Trombley and Denny Hocking. They all played major roles with the team at some point in their careers, even Neagle: he and Midre Cummings were later traded for John Smiley.
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BA has Borchering going to the Twins. I would be stoked if that happened.
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by fetch9 on Jun 9, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be sweet
Though I suspect he actually goes to the D-backs with one of their back to back picks
by Eric in Madison on Jun 9, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else think
Anyone else think anybody but the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, or Dodgers to pay Straussburg 30+ million is being idiotic? How can you gamble that much on this guy? It’s insanity…
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by AdamOnFirst on Jun 9, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No. He's by far the number one talent
It will probably be around 20 million. IF he works out, he’s worth way more, obviously. It’s possible he doesn’t, but what are you going to do? You have to have front line talent, and the Nats aren’t getting it on the open market.
It’s easy to say they would be better off spending that money on something else, but what? This is a huge opportunity for them. Where else are they going to spend that money that could conceivably have that sort of impact? Where else could they spend that money, period?
by Eric in Madison on Jun 9, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he'll sign this year
He’ll go the JD Drew route and hold out to sign for a couple of years. They have to fix this in the next CBA.
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet he'll sign
because the Nats will make a good offer.
One decent option to fix this if you think it’s a problem is to abolish the draft altogether.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 9, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Abolish the draft and the small market teams would never win. The reason we have a draft is because of the Yankees.
The way to fix it is to cap and slot, like the NFL does.
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
Actually, the reason we have a draft is because owners don’t like to spend money. It has nothing to do with the Yankees, who would not be able to come anywhere near cornering the market on high end amateur talent without a draft.
The NFL does not cap and slot—that’s why so many rookies hold out. I think you mean the NBA. Look, I don’t feel sorry for players—they make good livings. But there’s no doubt that the draft restrains trade in a fundamental way.
You can tell that the issue here is owner cheapness because they were happier than pigs in…to keep the draft limited to North America…until latin American talent started getting real money. All of a sudden, an outcry for an international draft. When they could sign Dominicans cheap by the busload, all the better.
In some ways, I think abolishing the draft might bring down costs by flooding the market. Charlie FInley talked about this 35 years ago. When it was clear that free agency was inevitable, he suggested negotiating a CBA with the Union that would have made every player a free agent every year. The Union might have agreed to this, but the other owners wouldn’t go for it. They were absolutely wrong about the effects of that idea. It would have kept prices and player movement down.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 9, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer a rookie salary cap
a la the NBA. The NFL would be well served to do the same, and give the veterans (who have earned the money) the money that’s currently going to first round draft pick bonuses.
by Adam Peterson on Jun 9, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It works better in the NBA
because those players go directly to the major league.
Besides, you would have to totally revamp a lot of other things to make this work. What do UDFAs get? There are a ton on those in professional baseball, unlike the NBA.
Also, there is a more-or-less de facto system of slotting. Everyone goes nuts about the exceptions, but it actually controls most of the draft.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 9, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
My gripe is more with the NFL there.
by Adam Peterson on Jun 9, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pandora's Box
That hurts the poor teams even more, though, by allowing the rich teams to get all the high-dollar draftees, the same way they get all the high-dollar free agents.
Another solution I’ve heard is to allow teams to trade draft picks – that would have a similar effect to abolishing the draft in that the richer teams would end up with the more expensive players, but at least the poor teams would be getting something of value for their draft position.
On a related note, I came up with a way (that would never even be briefly considered) to fix the NFL draft’s related problem – the very first picks (especially #1) are almost more bad than good, because the teams have to spend so much to sign them, leaving them less money for other players (more important than in baseball because of the NFL’s salary cap). My solution was to replace the draft (at least the first round or two) with an auction – each team is assigned a number of credits based on its record, and they bid on the players who would ordinarily be drafted in those rounds. If the Lions weren’t completely sold on Stafford, they could spend their draft credits on a couple of mid-first-rounders rather than be basically forced to take him because he’s the consensus “best available player”.
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by BeefMaster on Jun 9, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nationals had NO Choice...
The Nat’s FO has made almost every PR blunder possible…up to and including a big write up this weekend in the Jewish Week about their screw-up with the Kosher Hot dog vendor, meaning NO kosher hot dog’s since the beginning of the season.
Will Strasburg be a star? Who knows. I’ll bet the under on 125 career wins. That’s the contrarian in me :-)
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by the Dragon on Jun 9, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple of notes
I said this elsewhere, but this list really makes it clear. It’s amazing that the Twins emerged from their doldrums earlier this decade after absolutely whiffing on 3 very high draft picks from 1988-2000 (Mills, Garbe, Johnson). You’d think that those guys would be leading the charge back to respectability, but instead it was despite them.
Good later drafting and savvy trades, but to be able to get good with zero cotributions from 3 top 6 picks in a row?
The mocks seem to be putting the Twins with a prep pitcher. Not saying it won’t happen, but it would be a real departure for them to use their top pick on an HS arm. They haven’t done that in a long time. Even in 2004, when they did pop 2 prep arms in the first, they did it when they had a ton of picks, and their first 2 picks still went where they usually go—HS bats (Plouffe) and college arms (Perkins).
by Eric in Madison on Jun 9, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Watching draft live on MLB.com...
…Selig’s a horrible public speaker. Stop talking and get to it, dude.
by Jesse on Jun 9, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Selig is a mystery
How can this moron be so successful? He gives morons all over America that anybody can be a billionaire.
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selig is horrible, agreed.
But really what I wanted to say was…We drafted Jason Varitek? I never knew. I’m not complaining about Mauer, but sheesh, Varitek is not half bad either. The baseball draft can be such a crap shoot, I was suprised to see so many relevent players on our list. Heres hoping we get some talent.
by FoulJack on Jun 9, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Varitek, unless I'm mistaken,
was one of those guys who didn’t want to sign with the Twins. Either that, or the Twins didn’t want to cough up the dough.
by Jesse on Jun 9, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Harold Reynolds cleared waivers
…and was signed by the MLB. Watch out Kelly Theiser.
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They just drafted Ryan Mullins
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There goes Geene
I knew it was wishful thinking the Twins would get him.
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They're calling him the best defensive SS in the draft.
Yeah, it would have been great to see him drop to us.
by Jesse on Jun 9, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap i wanted Strassburg haha...Dreaming haha
What Position do you think we should take with our first pick..2nd base or Reliever?
by Tony_O on Jun 9, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most people are predicting pitcher,
and I see no problem with that. Middle infield is also an organizational need, but in the first round you shouldn’t be drafting to fill needs. You have to take the best player available.
by Jesse on Jun 9, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
There’s go Bobby
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jun 9, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
RHP Shelby Miller
The only Top 10 pick by MLB.com’s updated mock draft still on the board.
by Jesse on Jun 9, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
Rex Brothers or Chad Jenkins will last…
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by the Dragon on Jun 9, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They might!
Just a few more picks to go…
by Jesse on Jun 9, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just two picks to go...
…and they’re both still there.
by Jesse on Jun 9, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strassburg
are the reports that this kid is getting a $50 Million dollar deal?
by Tony_O on Jun 9, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
He’s supposed to be a stud. But that’s a lot of bank for a kid who hasn’t done anything yet.
But that’s the name of the game…you have to pay for premier talent.
by Jesse on Jun 9, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats way too freaken much for a MLB Draft Pick
This Kid could flop like Bryan Bullington or Steve Chillcot.
You think Boras had anything to do with the ridiculous amount of money Strassburg got?
by Tony_O on Jun 9, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I agree, baseball is too much of a crapshoot, lots of guys who seem like no-missers don’t work out, and lots of young pitchers get hurt and things. i don’t think it’s a very stable investment.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
by AdamOnFirst on Jun 9, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He;s not going to get anywhere near $50 million
It;s classic Boras—he never, ever, said that number. Not once. But somehow, but floating names like Matsuzaka as a comp, he got the media to start throwing around that number. He’s pretty great at his job.
The deal will probably be around 20 million, I think.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 9, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be a lot more than 20, but a lot less than 50, I'd guess.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
by AdamOnFirst on Jun 9, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other shortstop is gone
So it’ll probably an arm
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's OK with me
Mier scared me—to many scouts saying there wasn’t much bat there
by Eric in Madison on Jun 9, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Schimpf
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Gibson
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
College right hander
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looove that pick
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by fetch9 on Jun 9, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of Garza
Slipped because of an injury. Should have been a top 10
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too
A stress fracture in the wrist is nothing
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
forearm
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by fetch9 on Jun 9, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a huge Kansas fan so it makes me pause a bit that we took a Mizzou pitcher but that is awesome that he fell to us
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by fetch9 on Jun 9, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a weak year for SS
There’s plenty of time to draft a Schimpf
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great value pick really
would have been top 10 at worst without the stress fracture. If that heals OK, they got a coup.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 9, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
first thing is he thanked God
Sounds like a fairly bright guy actually.
by Eric in Madison on Jun 9, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bashore goes to the Twins in the supplemental round
Good solid lefty.
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by cmathewson on Jun 9, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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