What to do with second base?
With Alexi Casilla's banishment to Upstate New York, the Twins are faced with a tough decision.
We all thought Casilla was the second baseman of the future until he caught Luis Rivas disease and Gardy, who suffered through years of Rivas, has no patience left for lackadaisical play. Add to that the last things Casilla said to Gardy on his way out the door. It's not published, but you can read something like this between the lines.
Gardy: You go down there and learn to play with more consistent focus and awareness. When the scouts say you're ready, I'll bring you back up.
Casiila: I don't need more tine in the minors Man. I'n ready right now to be the guy.
Gardy: No you're not.
Casilla: I'n the best second baseman in this system.
Gardy: Not right now you're not.
Casilla: You don't know jack.
Gardy: Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of my office.
So Casilla might never be back with this team as long as Gardy is manager. What do the Twins do in the post-Casilla era?
Internal options
Nick Punto: Punto is the guy of the present. But he is no long-term solution. He's brutally inconsistent with the bat. One week he'll be right on the ball, taking pitchers pitches, hitting hitters pitches on a line. Then he'll get Nicked up and spend a week on the non-DL. When he returns, he's back to the strike-out prone, pop-up machine he's been through the majority of his career. And that's just with the bat. On the bases, he's a train wreck. In the field, he's nothing if his range is limited because his freewheeling ways make him very error prone. But his UZR/150 numbers this year (and in past years at second) are horrible (-17.4). The sooner this guy lands on the bench everyday, the better off the Twins will be. He might be going on the DL anyway with a back injury after Jose Guillen's dirty slide spilled him yesterday.
Matt Tolbert: I don't want to waste keystorkes on this guy.187/.279/.236/.514 -27.7 UZR/150.
Michael Cuddyer: Don't laugh. Gardy has actually brought his name up as a possibility. That indicates how desperate he is for a solution at second. Cuddyer at second would solve the outfield log jam. And he hits like a competent second baseman. But judging from his three errors in just four games at first base and -47.7 UZR/150 in the infield this year, he's not a serious option for second. At first, at least he has the line to constrain his range. At second, he'd be range challenged in two directions.
Luke Hughes: Scouts and numbers say his bat is ready now. But his defense is nowhere near ready. Second base is his best position by the numbers (just using errors by position in the minors). Still, the Twins have been trying to convert him to third base because of organizational need. With Danny Valencia passing him on the depth chart at third, he could move back to second, but he would need a half season of reps over there before he might be ready. The Twins don't have a half season.
Steven Tolleson: Tolleson is the best hitting second base prosect the Twins have had since Todd Walker. He's hitting .320/.385/.443/.828 for Rochester, splitting time between second base and left field. If he was anywhere near Knoblauch in the field, he'd be up here. He's always had high error totals throughout the minors. And his range is said to be average. Still, he's worth a 15-day tryout whle Punto rests his back and bruised ribs. If he shows promise in the field, he could be the guy.
The problem is, the Twins are reluctant to trust the position to a rookie during a pennant race. They might be forced to do it if Punto needs to go on the DL. But my sense is Punto will keep telling Gardy he's ready and Gardy will keep running him out there. And Punto will continue to go 0-fer with Ks, DPs and pop-ups. That would be a shame because, at 25, Tolleson deserves a shot sooner rather than later.
External Options
Freddy Sanchez: A career .302/.338/.424/.762 hitter in eight seasons at the majors, mostly for Pittsburgh, Sanchez is the kind of player the Twins need if they're to make a run for a pennant. The Twins are great at the top of the order and horrible at the bottom. Second base is the chief cause of the suckitude. Casilla (.467 OPS), Tolbert (.514), and Punto (.543) have combined to be the worst hitting second base position in the league.
If you upgrade to Sanchez, you could drop Brendan Harris down to the bottom of the order where he belongs. Harry's a good hitter, but he's not top-of-the-order material in a perfect world. Sanchez, on the other hand, is an ideal number two hitter. He has excellent contact skills and an inside-out approach that tends to confound defenses and move runners along.
In the field, Sanchez has average range by the numbers with an excellent arm and good footwork around the bag. He'd be an upgrade defensively over any of the players in the system.
What it would take to get him is an open question. The Pirates are rebuilding around speed, so it seems Casilla is one piece in a two- or three-piece move. If a two-piece move, I could see a pitcher such as Anthony Swarzak or Kevin Mulvey being the other piece. If a three-piece move, it could include a couple of fringe prospects such as Philip Humber and Jason Pridie. The contract is not really an issue for a team that is well under budget this year. He's set to make $6.1 million this year, $3 million prorated. And this is no one-year rental. There is an $8 million club option with a $600,000 buyout. Even if the Twins decided to buy him out, he's a likely Type A free agent.
Felipe Lopez: Lopez is another good contact hitter who could fit in nicely in the number 2 hole and at second base. He's currently hitting .304/.358/.413/.771 for Arizona. Those are career year numbers for him, so I wouldn't expect him to keep up this clip for the whole season. In the field, he would be an upgrade over every other bat in the system (4.4 UZR 150). From a contract perspective, He's strictly a one-year rental at about $1.75 million for the rest of the year, whereupon he should become a Type B free agent.
I think Lopez should be Plan B in case they can't work out a deal for Sanchez. He's having a career year, which indicates regression, especially at his age (29). For this reason, acquiring him would be easier than Sanchez. Perhaps Casilla and a fringe pitcher would do.
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Oh
I think you mean Felipe Lopez for Arizona.
He would be cheaper, I wouldn’t be against him.
by y2jayjk on Jul 2, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I fixed the typo.
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by cmathewson on Jul 2, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the documented financial problems the Rangers are facing, if I were Bill Smith, I’d make an all out run at Ian Kinsler: He is signed until 2012 and will be an all star for all that time. Casilla+Fox+Revere should do it. And if people balk in the mention of Revere’s name, Kinsler is now what we all hope that Revere will be (but with much more power and in a position that the Twins’ organization has a deficit). And this is now vs. “projected”. Bold move, but sometimes you got to do what you got to do…
by thrylos98 on Jul 2, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kinsler
I would do that deal in a minute.
But I am not sure they would trade him for 2 guys below AAA and reclaimation project.
Its something the Twins would do, but I am not sure anyone else would accept that deal.
by clutterheart on Jul 2, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright
what would the Rangers want in return? (think cheap and many years into arbitration). The Twins should do it
by thrylos98 on Jul 2, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget about it.
Kinsler is the Rangers’ best asset, by far. He is the cornerstone piece of their franchise. Talking about trading for him is roughly the same as anyone talking about trading for Joe Mauer three years ago.
by DK on Jul 2, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Kinsler is the Ranger’s Joe Mauer.
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by cmathewson on Jul 2, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never gonna happen
First off Kinsler is signed very reasonably to a 5 year 22 million dollar deal and there’s a 10 million option in 2013 that looks like a no brainer at this point to be picked up. I honestly don’t know if that package would be enough for them.
The guy I could see them trying to move would be Micheal Young who converted to 3B this year so he really doesn’t help us. He’s getting over 10 million every year through 2013. It’s an awful awful contract but he is hitting much better this year. Now might be their only chance to trade him, however they’d likely have to pick up some of that salary no matter who they traded him to. Alas Twins don’t need an old 3B taking up Mauer Money.
As far as Kinsler again, I’d be willing to even put Hicks in a deal for him. Kinsler doesn’t get paid so much that he hinders a Mauer signing and having Kinsler,Mauer,Morneau in the lineup for the next 4-5 years would just be ridiculous.
Hicks, Mulvey, Manship for Kinsler, a lot but once again I’d do it. Hicks has 1/2 a season and a lot of hype Kinsler is IMO the best 2B in the league.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 3, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to MLBtraderumors
Buster Olney says the Braves would give up Yunel Escobar for a bat. This would be a great pickup even though he is a shortstop.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 2, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Escobar would be a good get
but I presume the Braves want a “now” bat, and their corner OF situation is grim. That means Cuddyer, and we’d probably have to take back some dead salary too. Don’t think the Twins would pull the trigger on that. Not sure I would either.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 2, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not?
Cuddyer for Escobar is a no brainer
by thrylos98 on Jul 2, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
am I crazy
to dream that Delmon would interest the braves…
yes. I am
by clutterheart on Jul 3, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have had the same dream.
I mean, how long has Failcouer had a spot in that OF?
by JopeX37 on Jul 3, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Escobar's got attitude problems
or so I read recently.
by Han Joelo on Jul 4, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shortstop isn't exactly a stable position either
Brendan Harris has held down SS pretty darn well so far this year, but I don’t think he’s the long term solution. Although, Harris-Tolleson could be a nice MI offensively…could they at least provide average defense?
I liked Yunel Escobar during the offseason. I probably wouldn’t be willing to give up Cuddyer at this point for Escobar straight up, and I don’t think Atlanta’s interested in Delmon.
by Adam Peterson on Jul 3, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I would take either a shortstop or a second baseman. Actually, long term, short is less stable. I suppose there’s Ledendorf, but he’s years away and said to project as a third baseman long term.
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by cmathewson on Jul 3, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dreamers.
The Twins will end up with another veteran re-tread, like Grudzielanak or some such. Remember Brett Boone? And how about that power hitting DH they picked up — was that last year or the year before, who gave them nothing?
They are not adept at getting what they need in mid-season, Shannon Stewart notwithstanding. The White Sox are going to add players, so are the Tigers. But the Twins will play it conservative, as always.
by Old Twins Cap on Jul 2, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they wanted Grunzy, they would have him by now.
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by cmathewson on Jul 2, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freddy Donuts
If there is an opportunity for Sanchez the Twins should definitely make a run for him. He would completely change the lineup. It would be like bringing Krispy Kremes back into the Twin Cities. Goodbye Donut Connection….goodbye Nick Punto.
by sportseffect on Jul 3, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez would be the guy
Good bat, decent defense. RH hitter.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Jul 3, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sign Sano and put him at 2nd lol jk
im hopeing for Lopez or Sanchez. in house i want to give Tolleson a chance
Vikings lets sign Brett Favre and Marvin Harrison. Ricky Rubio please dont go back to Spain!
by RaysOfHope on Jul 3, 2009 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As of June 29
Felipe Lopez was possible trade bait with Milwaukee.
I really hope we get him at a cheaper price. He doesn’t hit for power but he bats .300 and he can get on base for all the guys behind him.
by y2jayjk on Jul 3, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Beware Felipe
He’s putting up career numbers this year because he’s playing in Arizona. Expect a dropoff if he moves to the AL and the Metrodome.
by Adam Peterson on Jul 3, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez, Tolleson are my top two choices
Make a run at Sanchez. If we can get him for Casilla +, go for it.
If not, give Tolleson a chance. See what he can do.
I’d still be more willing than Gardy to give Casilla another chance at this point. Too quick a trigger the second time around, IMO.
by Adam Peterson on Jul 3, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez: It's unlikely that PIT
picks up his option for next year. So it’s very likely that he’ll be dealt in what effectively is the last year of his contract.. We have a ton of stuff in the minors that should interest them as they evidently want pitching and middle infield, of which we have a bunch. So package some minor leaguers and let’s go.
I’ll actually be pissed if the Twins don’t get him because it seems like a no brainer. It’s not like we’ll have to trade Garza/Bartlett type players that had some major league success. It’s just prospects that likely won’t work out to the established success of Sanchez anyway.
by ajmargarine on Jul 3, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Twins are already in discussion
with Pittsburg to acquire Sanchez, Capps, and Grabow. I made a fanpost with a link to MLBtraderumors.com
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 3, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were able to get Sanchez, Capps and Grabow
without giving up the farm, I’d have to change my pants. Two very solid bullpen arms, one lefty, one righty, plus a 2B?
Pittsburgh is already going after outfielders who have worn out their welcome (see Milledge, Lastings). Maybe they would take Delmon-Casilla and complete an OF of Young, McCutchen and Milledge.
by Adam Peterson on Jul 3, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburg
according to all accounts is also looking for some starting pitching. So, we could get rid of Mulvey/Humber, Fox/Manship. We certainly have plenty of those type of back-end of the rotation pitchers.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 3, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but yes
if we could push off Delmon, Casilla, and maybe Mulvey for those three players from Pittsburg, I would not believe it…of course, baseball is unbelievable so…
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 3, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vesting option
His option vests at like 600 plate appearances and he should easily get there. So Pittsburgh might have no choice but to pick up the option.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 3, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburg wants pitching and middle infield
what goes?
Twins:
Casilla
Hughes
Mulvey
Pittsburg:
Sanchez
Capps
Grabow
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 3, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
reasons:
Twins have plenty of middle infielders…some on startrib etc say we should give up Tolleson for Sanchez but I would never do that. Sanchez is a good player for 1.5 years allowing Tolleson to develop. After that, 2B is Tolleson’s job at the major league level.
The Twins have plenty middle to back-end of the rotation type pitchers: Fox, Guerra (I dont think he will ever be AS good as projected), Gutierrez (#3 man in my mind), etc…
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 3, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another deal:
Trade Delmon and Humber for Andrew Bailey/Miguel Batista
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 3, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sinker
Howard suggested we get Augie Ojeda back. Of course, Juan Castro is also hitting well. Should we grab him? Adam Everett has found his bat in Detroit. And if push comes to shove, Luis Rivas is playing somewhere.
Pirates would be the best bet for a trade.
Does anyone want Delmon?
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by rosterman on Jul 3, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a really well-written and well-researched analysis.
by Boot on Jul 5, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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