Source: Giants "Definitely getting Sanchez"

According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.

In a similar Tweet, Jon Heyman (SI.com) believes John Bowker, Kevin Frandsen and Jesus Guzman are three of the names being discussed. Can we beat this?

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That’s a pretty good haul for a wobbly kneed Sanchez. We’d have to give up Danny V to come close to this…no thanks.

by dschroeder on Jul 29, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions

plus the more i hear about this knee, the less good of a fit he seems for the rest of the season on the turf.

by dctwin on Jul 29, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Reports are that no major league players are involved. Seems beatable, but hard to say what prospects they would be looking for from the twins….our pitchers are looking more and more valuable.

by dctwin on Jul 29, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions

crazy and strange...

via twitter: SI_JonHeyman little holdup in freddy sanchez trade to #sfgiants. pitts. post-gazette reports sanchez made pirates 3-year offer to stay.

by dctwin on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions

I'm not sure I like this Twitter age of reporting

Even easier to screw things up. The winter meetings will also be exciting this year…

by Adam Peterson on Jul 29, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions

at least the errors get corrected quickly, too

and you only have to deal with 140 characters of speculative crap at a time :)

by dctwin on Jul 29, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions

The Pirates rejected a $20M offer from Sanchez

$6.0M, $6.5M, $7.5M over the next three years, according to Kovacevic.

Duh.

Ummm, Freddy, the Pirates are looking to slash payroll. Is requesting a contract extension the right way to go?

by Adam Peterson on Jul 29, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions

The thing is,

that’s a pretty good deal. I’d let the Twins sign Sanchez to that deal.

by Jesse on Jul 29, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions

He probably just realizes his knee is pretty bad so now he’s trying to get a deal done before it gets worse and people find out.

by dschroeder on Jul 29, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions

That's certainly possible.

But I don’t think it’s very likely.

by Jesse on Jul 29, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know

Second basemen in their 30s tend to drop off precipitously for some reason. Maybe it’s all the hard slides.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 29, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

True.

But if Luis Castillo can still walk at the point he’s at, I have confidence that Sanchez could last to 34. But that’s totally subjective.

by Jesse on Jul 29, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, it's just a lot of risk

On the other hand, McCallum is the second baseman of the future and he’s in Elizabethton.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 29, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Interesting...

If the Twins can trade for him, they should see if this offer is still on the table.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jul 29, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

all these rumors are making it difficult to do any work.

I can only imagine what Friday is going be like.

by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Jul 29, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions

Probably depressing

after realizing the only acquisition we made was Mark Grudzielanek.

by dschroeder on Jul 29, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Assuming Snachez knee is too bad.

Is 3 prospects too much to give up for him? I don’t think so. None of the players mentioned are named in Baseball America’s top 10 Giant’s prospect. Not too mention, if it shows Mauer you are committed to winning with him in a Twins uniform. I just think we need to make a move and one that actually can make an impact. Also, how much more would we need to give up to get Grabow included in the deal?

by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Jul 29, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions

But don’t forget, the Giants have the deepest system in the league. I guarantee at least 1, if not 2, of those players would be in the top 10 of Twins prospects.

by dschroeder on Jul 29, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Good point.

I guess I am saying I am ok with parting with a higher prospect if it shows Joe we are serious about winning now. If Sanchez was a rent-a-player, my feelings would be different. He just fills the infield need better than anyone and would be there to open up Target Field.

by NYCisTwinsTerritory on Jul 29, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

John Bowker

Age: 26
Pos: OF/1B
MLB Line: 358 AB’s, .246/.291/.394
MiLB Line: 2000 AB’s, .301/.364/.487

Generally mediocre power in the minors unless he was older than his competition: 23 in double-A in ‘07 and earlier this year at 25 in triple-A. No, he isn’t “old” for his level, but he’s not young, either. This could have been Garrett Jones a couple of years ago.

by Jesse on Jul 29, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions

He's more or less Justin Huber

Frandsden is…tough to say. A no hit infielder, basically. I think I’d rather have Tolleson. Guzman has been hitting, but he’s also 25 and not established in the majors. He’s also been mostly in hitters leagues in the minors. Is he better than Luke Hughes? I guess I think he probably is, but not a ton better.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 29, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Kevin Frandsen

Age: 27
Pos: SS/2B
MLB Line: 397 AB’s, .242/.306/.343
MiLB Line: 1249 AB’s, .322/.384/.456

Blew out his achilles and missed all of 2008. Doesn’t walk much, but he doesn’t strike out a lot, either. Versatile defensive player, but has struggled at short. Could be a good doubles hitter, but would have to walk more to be a useful offensive player at the major league level.

by Jesse on Jul 29, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions

See my above

I don’t see this as a tough offer to match/beat. Frandsen and Bowker are filler, Guzman isn’t a future all-star. It’s a depth trade.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 29, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed. 100%

by Jesse on Jul 29, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Jesus Guzman

Age: 25
Pos: 1B/3B/OF
MLB Line: 13 AB’s, .154/.154/.154
MiLB Line: 2593 AB’s, .301/.369/.472

Played a lot of third and second base in the minors. Good hitter, but he’s always been old for his level.

My evaluation of these players: they provide depth, but little more. None of them project as players who will be anything more than stop-gap or short-term upgrades. If the Twins can’t top this package, I’m very sad.

by Jesse on Jul 29, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions

Yep

I see we came to the same conclusion. Seems to me a Huber, Tolleson, Hughes deal is close to the equal of this. The Twins could easily do better. Add Manship to the deal? Slama? A high upsider like Morales? I’d do that.

by Eric in Madison on Jul 29, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions