Twins Trade for Orlando Cabrera
by AdamOnFirst on Jul 31, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
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1:15pm CDT, updates by AdamOnFirst
A little more on Ladendorf:
Here at TwinkieTown, we voted Ladendof the #30 prospect for the Twins before this season. Seth Stohs did not list Ladendorf in the Twins top 40 prospects. This was before Ladendorf lit up Rookie ball this year, but remember, Ladendorf is 21 this year with two years of college ball under his belt, so lighting up rookie ball in his second time through isn't so impressive. Ladendorf's main calling card is his 16 HR's and 65 (!) SB's his final season at Howard college. He has been very good stealing bases professionally, he's 15 for 17 while stealing as a Twin farmhand.
This is Seth Stoh's take on Ladendorf before the 2009 season, taken from his 2009 Minnesota twins Prospect Handbook (you can still go buy this for only a couple bucks):
The Twins 2nd round pick in 2008 had a very disappointing professional debut with the GCL Twins. He hit just .204/.308/.293 with eight doubles and a homer. However, when you see his 2008 college numbers, and the tools he has, you still see a guy with a lot of potential.
At Howard College this year, he hit 16 home runs and stole a nation-leading 65 bases. He had signed a scholarship to play baseball at Oklahoma State but instead signed with the Twins. Once he adjusts to the pro game, he could develop quickly.
My personal take on Ladendorf is he isn't a major price to pay, but we're already short on middle infield prospects, and he MIGHT have a lot of upside. I wouldn't put much stock in any professional success until he hits in low and high A-ball though.
12:55pm CDT, updated by Jesse:
My initial take on getting O-Cab is quite simple: it's going to be hard for him to be much worse than what we've already had playing in the middle infield. Do I think it'll be a shame to lose plate appearances for Brendan Harris? Yes. Is he the best option on the market? No. But that's the only negative spin on this deal. Oakland is sending Minnesota some cash, the Twins won't feel like they have to offer Cabrera arbitration for the pair of draft picks thanks to some genius clause in his contract (note from AdamOnFirst: Cabrera's contract forbids his team from offering him arbitration, so that team cannot receive any draft picks for him.) , and he really hasn't been worse than the guys we've been running out there on a nightly basis.
Only Cabrera has been hitting lately, and hell, maybe he stays hot the rest of the season. He also has a bit of playoff experience, for whatever you think that's worth.
Tyler Ladendorf is a 21-year old shortstop just getting his first taste of post-rookie league professional ball. He was Minnesota's second round draft pick in 2008, and in his first season hit .204/.308/.293 with the Gulf Coast Twins. This year he started in Elizabethton, the Twins' other rookie league, and in 61 at-bats impressed with a triple slash of .410/.500/.721. Since his promotion to Beloit the numbers have dropped back to earth, and he's hit just .222/.288/.241 in his first 54 at-bats. But it's early.
Here's what the scouting report said on Ladendorf when we drafted him last June:
Height: 5'11" Weight: 190 lbs
Bats/Throws: Right/Right
From MLB.com's Draft Central scouting report:
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| Hitting Ability: | Ladendorf has excellent bat speed and other good hitter's attributes, though he needs more weight on his back side. He's got an unorthodox approach to hitting that will have to be monitored |
| Power: | He has slightly above-average power with natural loft in his swing. |
| Running Speed: | He has above-average speed, especially for his size. |
| Base Running: | He's an aggressive, powerful runner who looks to steal. |
| Arm Strength: | He has a plus throwing arm. |
| Fielding: | He's got average hands and makes the plays at short. |
| Range: | He's got pretty good range, though his body might get too big for shortstop. |
| Physical Description: | Ladendorf is a big athletic shortstop. |
| Medical Update: | Healthy. |
| Strengths: | Power potential, speed, throwing arm. |
| Weaknesses: | His unorthodox hitting approach may not work at the next level as he doesn't have enough weight on his back side. |
| Summary: | Ladendorf was drafted by the Giants in the 34th round last year (the second year in a row he'd been drafted in that round), but he opted to return to Howard for another season. There's little question his Draft stock has risen since then as he's shown the ability to run, hit for power and field his position pretty well for a player his size. He may not be a shortstop long-term, but he's more than athletic enough to handle a switch. Wherever he plays defensively, his size and athleticism should see him get drafted for a third time much earlier than the previous two. |
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Just broken by Tim Brown of Yahoo sports and confirmed by LaVelle E Neil and Kelly Theiser, the Twins have acquired Orlando Cabrera from the Athletics for Low-A shortstop Tyler Ladendorf.
LEN III also reports the Twins are self reportedly, "wheeling and dealing."
More updates here soon...
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Someone needs to go down...
Any chance Casilla gets at least benched because of this?
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it would be Casilla
we still need Busch to play 1B/3B when Morneau/Crede needs a rest.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harris/Cuddy
Can do that…
Not saying it needs to happen that way, but Buscher was already superfluous before the deal.
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ever seen Cuddy at 1B?
not pretty. Harris would be a decent option there though.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a day a month it doesn't matter...
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes we have begun
to see less of Buscher. This makes me wonder if indeed he is the odd man out. But I just have to believe that because we traded for a MI that Casilla is the odd man out.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're wrong 33morneauMVP
I’d sure rather see Harris/Casilla than OC/Punto.
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by natetheskate on Jul 31, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen Casilla's play lately?
I don’t think you pull the plug on that.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is Harris at 1B?
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by natetheskate on Jul 31, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone can play 1B!
As Elaine Benes said to Keith Hernandez, “you always put the worst player at 1B”.
I mean, it takes some skill to win a GG there, anyone who plays any other position will find it really easy.
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're only joking
It takes some skill to scoop up throws in the dirt, don’t you think?
by Sheldon on Jul 31, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this deal
Now get an arm in the pen
by TonyO on Jul 31, 2009 1:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
=]
I like this. Scutaro would be a nice addition as well.
by i_am_pure_barbarian on Jul 31, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ya an infield of
Morneau – 1B
Scutaro – 2B
Cabrera – SS
Crede – 3B
would look really good on their resume.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
I wish, can’t see it happening though. However, if a late Halladay trade comes through it’s much more of a possibility especially since we didn’t give up anything too significant for Cabrera.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 31, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay trade
it will not happen
by clutterheart on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still would have liked
if the Twins could have obtained Washburn and Sean White. However, lets shift Delmon Young and Brian Buscher for somebody like Doug Davis.
Baker
Davis
Swarzak
Liriano
Perkins
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no blackburn?
A few rough outings, sure, but he’s been the best this year.
by joemitchell31 on Jul 31, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So where does Blackburn go?
He’s had two rough starts but was lights out the whole first half. I say Liriano or Perk gets the ax (by ax I mean sent to the bullpen)
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry entirely forgot about Blackburn
Baker
Davis
Blackburn
Swarzak
Liriano
Perkins gets sent to the pen with Duensing sent back to Rochester.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
although with Liriano's inflammed elbow
I am not so sure if he would stay in the rotation or even if he will pitch the rest of the year. Maybe his apparent injury is because he is on the trading block?
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's his forearm
if it was his elbow I think the Twins would sound much more concerned
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's overpaying for Doug Davis
He’s expensive, and a free agent. You get those guys for a Class A player or two.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon and Buscher
have about as much value as a Class A prospect at this point. Maybe less.
by DK on Aug 1, 2009 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't like deal
If you think about the twins could have got Adam Kennedy instead. With cabrera it’s not gonna help with his stats. .AVG 280 HR 4 RBI 41 SB 11! Not gonna do the trick. Adam Kennedy’s stats are .AVG 295 HR 8 RBI 38 SB 11! Kennedy would have helped more.
by ccunited7 on Jul 31, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But
But Grudz is still an option for 2B down there. THey weren’t gonna get 2 MI’s via trade, thi sway they could end up with TWO new middle infielders.
Could…
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by AdamOnFirst on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true
He had a .345 OBP last year, he’s old but is still getting it done.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 31, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grudz line
9 AB, 3 H, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 2 SO
not too bad for a guy that hasnt played for more than half a year.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The GCL Twins is not really a great test.
Any word on when they’ll try him someplace more advanced?
He’s more than double the age of many of his teammates…
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still when you think
about it…for a guy as old as Grudz that has not played in a half a year and is “out of shape” that is still a pretty good line for the first time back through.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure... past a milestone...
Looking forward to seeing how he does in New Britain.
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
And it’s all about WATCHING him. The numbers mean less than zero.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grudzielanek
He’s supposed to be playing for New Britain starting tonight.
by Hoya on Jul 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lineup
catcher: mauer
1B: Morneau
2B:Grudzilanek
SS:Cabrera
3B:Crede
LF:Span
CF:Gomez
RF:Cuddyer
I say that’s pretty good!!
by ccunited7 on Jul 31, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad, but we didn't address our pitching problems
And the White Sox got Peavy. Argh!!! And he is signed for 4 more years.
by Sheldon on Jul 31, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure the A's would trade Kennedy
I would have preferred we get Kennedy too, but from rumors it sounds like the A’s weren’t willing to trade him. Even if they were willing to trade Kennedy, my guess is we would have to trade more to get him than Cabrera.
From MLB trade rumors on Kennedy: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/as-rumors-adam-kennedy-orlando-cabrera.html
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jul 31, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Their season is lost, Kennedy is 33 and doesn’t figure in their long term plans. Dumping their vets for prospects is an organizational tradition for them.
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who knows the mind of Billy Beane
I heard the same Kennedy was not being offered, whether that makes sense or not to the A’s future
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
La Velle reports...
…that the Twins have also received cash in the deal.
by Twins Territory on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Christensen says...
..that Cabrera has know about the deal for an hour and was attempting to arrive in MSP as he spoke to his agent.
by Twins Territory on Jul 31, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like the trade but who gets sent down
Danoo
by Danoo on Jul 31, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buscher.
For 31 days.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now package
hard head Delmon Young off for a RP.
and then package
Mulvey, Plouffe, and Duensing off for a SP.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburg is willing
to listen to offers on Matt Capps, Paul Maholm, and Zack Duke.
Lets get Capps and Duke….
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You sure?
Word last night was that Capps was now off the table…
by Twins Territory on Jul 31, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are willing to listen
but say that they are not shopping them. However, it seems that if the right deal can be put together, then they will trade them off.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox are about to acquire
Martinez from the Indians.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Riddance
Probably two good de3velopments for the wins in terms of keeping Mauer past 2010!
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by AdamOnFirst on Jul 31, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez has a club option for 2010
And he’s not a good catcher. And he only catches about half the game he plays. And he’s 32 in 2011. So this affects Mauer signing with the Sox not one bit.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Jesse can't even bring himself
to say Cabrera’s better than what they already had. “No worse” isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. I concur. He’s no worse
by Eric in Madison on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with him though
The good news? Cabrera probably will be a Type A FA and we gave up only Ladendorf for him
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by fetch9 on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't get any draft picks, though.
Which is fine with me, because we’d have to offer his 35-year old butt arbitration…and he’d then have had to decline it, which I wouldn’t see him doing. It would only have screwed us in the end.
by Jesse on Jul 31, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would have accepted
Especially after getting burned big-time declining arb last offseason.
by DJL44 on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh
if he accepts and we have to pay him 6 million so what.
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by fetch9 on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he accepts
and we pay him 6 million, then:
A: We cannot trade or sign a decent SS in the offseason
B: We cannot use the 6 million for the signing of a good SS or the extension of Mauer
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming he gets his defense back to where it was before this year, he’s an SS worth 6 million
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by fetch9 on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but not a SS worth
taking another good SS spot on the Twins roster
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
34 year old shortstops usually don't get their defense back
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
It’s just a one year drop though. Makes me suspicious
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by fetch9 on Jul 31, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like Billy dropped the ball again
STELLA!
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially ...
34-year-old shortstops who lost their Gold Glove defense years ago because of back problems.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn't use that 6 million anyway.
It would just be 6 million more in the pockets of the Pohlads.
by Sheldon on Jul 31, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that a pot-shot at my eternal optimism?
But yes. No ringing endorsements from this guy.
by Jesse on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Just pointing out that “no worse” was the best you could do. And you’re right
by Eric in Madison on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera will wear #18 and is expected in lineup tonight.
by Twins Territory on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe C
better be wrong about him hitting 2nd
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by fetch9 on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he probably isnt
Gardy basically has said that if the Twins get Cabrera, he will bat second. That sounds like a “no matter what happens” to me.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which makes sense.
Getting a right-handed bat between Span and the heart of a lefty-heavy order is a wise move.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
unless that right-handed bat gets on base only just slightly better than the guys we already had batting 2nd (other than Mauer)
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More to it than OB%
It plays into bullpen tactics. They don’t design stats for this.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so Mauer stays in the 2 hole
and the Twins just improve the bottom of the order
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is what I would personally do but Gardy thinks differently
1. Span – LF
2. Mauer – C
3. Morneau – 1B
4. Kubel – DH
5. Cuddyer – RF
6. Crede – 3B
7. Cabrera – SS
8. Gomez – CF
9. Punto – 2B
or else:
1. Span – LF
2. Scutaro – 2B
3. Mauer – C
4. Morneau – 1B
5. Cuddyer – RF
6. Kubel – DH
7. Crede – 3B
8. Cabrera – SS
9. Gomez – CF
that looks even better!!
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great idea.
Bunch all the lefties together and all the righties together. Make it really easy for the opposition to manage their bullpen.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minnesota Nice at it's best
maybe we can spot them a run or two as well.
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats the problem
the Twins have rolled out this sort of lineup time and time again. Mauer and Morneau hit lefties almost as well as righties.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera is batting second
come on, if he can’t resist putting a middle infielder in the 2 spot, even when the middle infielder is one of the worst hitters in the entire league, and he’s got a .400+ OBP guy he could start there if he wanted to, you really think he’s going to pass up a chance to put an actually adequate middle infielder there? There is no way he will start Mauer over Cabrera in the 2 spot, IMO. I would be totally astonished.
by by jiminy on Jul 31, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer and Morneau hit lefties almost as well as righties.
That statement is false.
Mauer hits lefties far worse than righties in regard to both BA and SA, and grounds into DPs more often against lefties.
Morneau has a higher BA and SA against lefties than righties.
Gotta quit listening to Dick and Bert and doing your own work on this stuff.
But the real issue is that Kubel can’t hit lefties, so what teams do is worry about Morneau in these scenarios, as he’s the guy who hurts the lefties. They’ll pitch to Mauer with the lefties and take their chances.
As for defending the belief that “the Twins have rolled out this sort of lineup time and time again,” I don’t really know how often that’s been the case. Most certainly you do not, as you don’t have this other information properly aligned, but regardless the proof is here: the Twins are a .500 team, so if indeed this is an endorsement of that kind of lineup, it’s a misplaced one.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
#18
Last worn by Ayala…
Recent and Notable others: Macri, Bartlett, Guardado, Sorrento, Herr, Baylor, Schrom, Felton, Rigney
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only good #18
in that bunch: Jason Bartlett
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot Paul Giel
Wasn’t much of a baseball player, but a household name in MN sports.
Plus its fun that we traded him to KC for a PTBNL and nine days later KC names the player as Paul Giel. Love it when that happens.
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Terry Felton Reference?
Wow, how often does that happen. I heard he’s now a sheriff in Louisiana, and a few years ago his dog mauled his daughter or something like that. Very much too bad. I’m sure he’s a fine guy, but he didn’t exactly set MLB on fire back in the Calvin days…
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by sw mn guy on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What available
pitchers are out there right now besides Halladay?
Is Doug Davis Available?
Could we get Bannister?
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
Where’s you get those names?
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents
Cabreara is an upgrade over Punto and Punto is an upgrade over Casilla. So if you move Punto to second, you upgrade two positions. And if Grundzy comes back, you can sit Punto and have a ahlf-way decent middle infield, which is a huge upgrade from the worst middle infield tandem in Twins history.
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by cmathewson on Jul 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moving a guy who hits a lot of
157-foot popups to second doesn’t help much. Casilla’s the second baseman if he keeps playing as he did against Chicago.
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by Johnny Safron on Jul 31, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ladendorf has excellent bat speed and other good hitter's attributes, though he needs more weight on his back side.
reminds me of a girl I once knew
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Joe Christensen
says the release has Cabrera wearing #18 for Saturday’s game. He says he hopes to be there tonight though.
by Twins Territory on Jul 31, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
any word yet on who
was released to make room for O-Cab?
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They won't make a move until Cabrera gets there
If he doesn’t make it today, why play a man short?
I’m still betting it’s Buscher, but it could be Casilla.
by Eric in Madison on Jul 31, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just was browsing the 2010 Free Agents
A couple names popped up at me:
Orlando Hudson, Felipe Lopez
Marco Scutaro (knew about him), Miguel Tejada
Chris Capuano, Rich Harden, Jose Valverde
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Erik Bedard
please please please please please please please
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 31, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yes too true
even Josh Beckett would be available, though he does have a club option
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bedard again
I could actually see him being a slight possibility with his injuries he’s not going to sign one of those ridiculous contracts like Santana and CC but he could be in that Burnett range, maybe a bit less. While that’s expensive the Twins are moving into a new stadium. If they resigned Mauer, picked up a solid Ace guy like Bedard and sold part of the farm for a real SS then they could set themselves up to contend for a title for a few years.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 31, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bedard and Hardy/Escobar
would be a nice offseason for the Twins. Maybe they would also bring in a 2B or else call up Tolleson, if they trust his fielding enough.
But that is offseason…lets see what we can do to improve our club in the 1.5 hours remaining.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about Ben Sheets as well?
he is out the rest of this year I believe, but should be back to full health next year. That would also be a good pickup for the Twins.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Signing a solid starter gives us the chance to trade on of ours for a SS
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 31, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
such as Perkins/Liriano
for Hardy or Escobar.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter
We’re too good to waste our money on free agents.
by Sheldon on Jul 31, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
…though he needs more weight on his back side.
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by Andersklasen on Jul 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hitting mechanics.
You can’t hit for power if you don’t have enough weight on your back foot. That’s what they mean.
by Jesse on Jul 31, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
joke fell flat
and not worth spelling out, they can’t all be winners.
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The joke was funny above... about the girl someone knew...
This comment was about an hour later…
I’m glad it was explained actually. The funny half of the double entendre was quite amusing and I got it right away, but I didn’t understand the serious part either.
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I'm glad you like it.
I thought it was odd to use the term “backside” when they meant back foot, or back leg…
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaVelle does have a point
There are indications the Twins were reluctant to let Ladendorf go. I say big deal, sign Miguel Angel Sano.
Exactly! Replace an alright SS prospect with an amazing SS. *Watch the White Sox sign Sano…they have done every other Dominican prospect it seems.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah... gotta act reluctant or the other team will ask for more. :-)
All trades can’t involve players we’d actually like to get rid of. I like that half the fan trade suggestions involve trading Delmon or Crain.
by DavidRF on Jul 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 hour to go
and all is quiet on the Western Front (in terms of starting pitching or relief help).
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
awesome!
if MN could somehow trade for Zach Duke…a young lefty and move Lariano to the BP…..
by justintime on Jul 31, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburg has lost Adam LaRoche
if Andy moves across the diamond then Pitts is looking for a temporary 3B/1B. We have several: Buscher, Hughes, Macri
We also have an outfielder in Delmon Young
They have some pitching, namely Zack Duke and Matt Capps that we could use. I am sure something could be figured out.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Delmon Sucks
they’re not going to get anything for him. It’s high time we let go of that notion.
I’m sure Tosoni and a young arm for Capps and someone else will work
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by fetch9 on Jul 31, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez is officially a Boston Red Sox now...
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's going to be a long season in Cleveland next year...
I heard Fusto might go too
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Courtesy of LaVelle
Update: Now I’m hearing that he won’t get here until an hour before game time, and that’s not counting travel time from MSP. The Twins might not add him to the roster until Saturday. It will be interesting to see who comes off for him.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Clay Bucholz is available
originally he was mentioned in the Martinez trade but it sounds like Cleveland didnt want him. Could we get him?
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well they wouldn’t do Buchholz for Martinez straight up.
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by fetch9 on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olney says
that the Twins are hot on the trail of Wuertz and Bell.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
please god be right
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by fetch9 on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OLNEY: Twins on Wuertz and Bell
The Twins are working hard in their effort to land a reliever as the deadline nears, reports ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bell would be a great get
Nathan with Bell, Mijares and Guerrier is pretty good. Word had it that they were asking a lot for him, as they should since he doesn’t make a lot and has 2 more years of arbitration left.
We’ll see
by Eric in Madison on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s one of the few relievers that might be worth it.
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by fetch9 on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Capps
Since Pittsburg is rebuilding, the Twins could probably get Matt Capps and Zach Duke from the Pirates for the following:
Mulvey and Duensing
Casilla, Buscher, and Hughes
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
25 minutes left...
Twins apparently chasing Heath Bell and Mike Wuertz hard…
maybe trying to unload Delmon Young in one of those deals as well.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But who do would you replace him with?
The Twins would want a 5th OF…or 4th, since Kubel probably shouldn’t count.
by Jesse on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winfree, Martin, even Pridie
With the amount of playing time he’s been getting it wouldn’t matter too much honestly.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on yahoo's live chat
They’re reporting Bell to Dodgers could be close. I love all the maybe close, could, interested, words that leave reporters with a way to backtrack if theyr’e wrong.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possible correction to main article
note from AdamOnFirst: Cabrera’s contract forbids his team from offering him arbitration, so that team cannot receive any draft picks for him.
This is kind of a nitpick, but according to Cot’s Contracts (which, by the way, has already been updated to place Cabrera on the Twins), the clause only applies if he is a Type A free agent. If he drops to Type B (no idea how close he is to the cutoff), they could still offer him arbitration, as far as I can tell, although I don’t know if they want to take the risk that he’d accept – he would probably be overpriced in arbitration.
The difference makes sense – if he’s Type B, it wouldn’t depress the market to sign him, because the team acquiring him wouldn’t have to give anything up unless they had some paranoia about their opponents having extra sandwich picks.
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by BeefMaster on Jul 31, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They won’t offer if he’s a Type B
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by fetch9 on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 minutes to go
still no word on a pitcher being signed.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera: Fu*k me!
If this allows the Twins to still get bullpen help, fine. But if this is it I’d rather have stood pat.
by montanatwinsfan on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
really?
so we persist with the below anything players of Punto at SS and Casilla at 2B? At least with Cabrera we improve our club because we thrust Casilla out of the lineup and put Punto at his better defensive position.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, there is that "at least"
and I suppose it warrants mentioning that apparently the team, including Morneau, Nathan and Mauer wanted Cabrera, so there is a possibility that those three will see this as a positive move…
by montanatwinsfan on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW - bad news
Tigers get Washburn from M’s for prospects
courtesy of Fox Sports news
by montanatwinsfan on Jul 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that is old news
we already have covered that.
by 33MorneauMVP on Jul 31, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox get Peavy
if he waives no-trade
by joemitchell31 on Jul 31, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bitch Sox
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Jul 31, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
wait, didn’t they try this already?
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably hurts them short-term
Seems like a move for 2010
by DJL44 on Jul 31, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is he still on the DL?
I hate seeing Chicago get better in any way
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I read he will start pitching in late August at earliest. Possibly out for this season but has 4 seasons left after this year on contract. Ouch!!!
by Sheldon on Jul 31, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's going to blow next year
maybe he’ll forget how to pitch or something?
by caluofmn on Jul 31, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So no teams wanted to trade for Punto?
C’mon, GMs. Utility infielder that hustles. Come on!
by benhertz on Jul 31, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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