Deadline Passes - Offseason Trades
At 3 PM today, the trade deadline passed, much to the chagrin of Bill Smith and the Twins front office, who were in the midst of serious discussions with the Padres Heath Bell, Arizona's Jon Rauch, and Oakland Athletic's Mike Wuertz. The Twins did manage to land a middle infielder though in Orlando Cabrera. However, no starting or bullpen pitching was acquired prior to the non waiver trade deadline.
What should be the Twins focus going into the offseason?
The Twins will most probably go after some more middle infield help, but is that going to be their main problem come 2010? With AL Central teams around the league loading up with starting pitching (Cleveland - Masterson, Detroit - Washburn, Chicago - Peavy), the Twins should certainly look in that direction.
Detroit: Verlander, Jackson, Washburn - that makes a pretty nice 1-2-3 combo, and while Washburn is a free agent at the end of the season, we have to guess that Detroit will make an offer.
Chicago: Peavy, Buerle, Danks - here is yet another nice 1-2-3 combo for Chicago, who has Peavy under control till 2012, with a vesting option for 2013. Peavy has always been an ace, and that threesome can cause heartaches for the MN Twins.
Twins: Baker, Slowey, Blackburn - not nearly as impressive as Detroit or Chicago, who have one to two potential aces in their staffs. While all of our starting pitchers are young, none of them are proven aces.
Should starting pitching be the focus for the Twins in the offseason?
I say, yes. In the offseason of 2009-2010, there will be two specific free agent aces: Erik Bedard and Ben Sheets. Both of these pitchers have battled injuries in their past, but both are proven aces and when their game is on, it is on! Other starting pitchers that will be available as free agents will be: Chris Capuano, Rich Harden, Brad Penny, Josh Beckett ($12 million option), and Cliff Lee ($8 million option).
I think the Twins should make a play for one of Bedard/Sheets and probably propose a deal to Capuano/Harden. One of Bedard/Sheets would take care of the Twins ace problem, a problem they have had since Santana asked for a trade and Radke retired. This would give the Twins the following rotation:
- Bedard/Sheets
- Kevin Slowey
- Scott Baker
- Nick Blackburn
- Liriano/Perkins/Swarzak
Of course, there are holes in the infield the Twins must solve, namely at 2B and SS. The hope around Twins Territory, is that the Twins will make a major play for a SS this offseason. Steve Tolleson, originally a 2B, could always play 2B if the Twins do not make a move in that direction. Lets take a look at some of the free agent 2B/SS:
Orlando Hudson - 2B, Mark DeRosa - 2B, Akinori Iwamura - 2B ($4.25 million option), Felipe Lopez - 2B, Marco Scutaro - 2B/SS, Miguel Tejada - SS
There seem to be better free agent 2B than SS and more of them. It is highly unlikely that Tampa Bay picks up Iwamura option, given the fact that Zobrist and Brignac are waiting. So Iwamura is an option; however, I would prefer the Twins to push for Orlando Hudson. Hudson has always been one of my favorite second baseman and he features a high avg/obp with a solid glove (a combo that Twins fans are unused too).
The SS market is a little bit more scarce, but with several SS names being banded around in June/July, there appears to be hope of a deal being worked out in the offseason. The Braves may listen to offers on Yunel Escobar, one of the best fielding SS in the buisness who also carries a high OBP. Also, the Brewers may be interested in moving J.J. Hardy as their SS prospect, Alcides Escobar, draws near to breaking into the majors. Either one of these SS would be a huge pickup for the Twins. The Braves are looking for some outfield depth while the Brewers look to improve their rotation and pen. The Twins can offer both: Dustin Martin, Jason Pridie, Delmon Young, Steve Tolleson, Angel Morales, Ben Revere...Glen Perkins, Kevin Mulvey, Kyle Waldrop, Francisco Liriano, Brian Duensing, Jeff Manship.
As Morneau said (roughly), "We are always saying that we are building for the future, but when is the future?" If the Twins want to go into the new stadium and hoping for lots of revenue, then they had better shift some trades in the offseason, not only for the fans, but also for the players: Joe Mauer, Justin Morneau, Joe Nathan, Kevin Slowey, and Jason Kubel, who are all wasting their careers playing for a team that hardly can get to the playoffs.
It is time for the Twins to make a real splash in the offseason, just prior to entering their new stadium. I, for one, would be overjoyed if the Twins should be able to address all of their needs heading into 2010 and also cut some of the fat that sits on their bench.
Who do I hope the Twins trade/sign? J.J. Hardy, Orlando Hudson, and Erik Bedard/Ben Sheets. How likely is this going to happen? Not very likely.
Rotation: Ben Sheets/Erik Bedard, Scott Baker, Kevin Slowey, Nick Blackburn, Anthony Swarzak/Francisco Liriano/Glen Perkins
Infielders: Justin Morneau, Orlando Hudson, J.J. Hardy, Danny Valencia, Joe Mauer, Jose Morales, Brendan Harris
Outfielders: Carlos Gomez, Michael Cuddyer, Jason Kubel, Denard Span
Bullpen: Joe Nathan, Jose Mijares, Matt Guerrier, Rob Delaney, Anthony Slama, Pat Neshek, Boof Bonser
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Twins starters
Yes, the Twins have six good starters, all 3-4-5 out of the rotation. if the Twins wish to play average baseball, Scott Baker or Slowey can be the Brad Radke’s of the future.
Baker has a decent contract, for some reason.
Slowey and Balckburn still have a year befroe arbitration.
Swarzak is new.
Perkins and Liriano, the Twins seriously needed to consider them as tradebait during this past July. Both will be asking for mroe than theya re worth come the winter and arbitration (not to mention Boof and Neshek doing the same).
I doubt the Twins will cut anyone loose outright. But I don’t see Perkins, Liriano or Boof getting a long-term contract, and one good season in 2010 would make them highly expensive (plus maybe add trade vaue, if you wish to take that chance).
Maybe the Twins needed a vet this year (and not a retread). They need one next year. Some stud. Any ideas?
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by rosterman on Aug 1, 2009 2:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be all for taking a flyer on Sheets
but obviously he isn’t someone you can count on. They have to figure out the infield. I’m fine if they decide to give Valencia a shot at 3rd base, but the other 2 spots must be addressed somehow.
I get that they are behind the curve in the division in starting pitching, but your post makes it clear: the best they will be able to do is to take a flyer on an injury risk and hope.
by Eric in Madison on Aug 1, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
much like they
did this year with Joe Crede. Crede has managed to stay healthy all year and has provided the Twins with power in the middle of the order and one of the most amazing defenders in the AL.
Bedard is also an injury risk, so either Bedard or Sheets would be fine pickups for me. Hopefully, those two can stay healthy (only if they come to the Twins of course) and become the first true ace the Twins have had since Santana/Radke.
Slowey and Baker have bright futures, but they need some veteran leadership to expand to the level of their potential. Sheets and/or Bedard can provide that. Slowey eventually could become an ace, he has the control and the stuff, but right now, I am perfectly content to have him throwing 2nd in the rotation with Baker behind him.
Bedard provides the Twins with a left handed pitcher should the team trade away Perkins and Liriano (or trade one send the other to the pen); otherwise, it would be made up of entirely RHs, which isnt bad so long as they have control and some pretty good stuff, which I think they all have or have the potential (see Swarzak) of acquiring.
by 33MorneauMVP on Aug 1, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twins offseason priorities
- is obviously to sign Joe Mauer to an extension and this needs to get done this offseason so we’re not looking like Cleveland at this time next year.
- Solidify the Middle Infield. The Twins have Steve Tolleson in the minors but he is no more of a guarantee than Alexi Casilla in my mind. Danny Valencia, although promising, is still a bit unknown at this point and will likely have growing pains as he adjusts to the majors. The Twins need to get at least one solid known commodity at either SS or 2B and let the rest sort itself out over time.
- This ties into #2 as I think it makes #2 more possible. The Twins need to attain an ace level starter as you said. This could be done by signing either Bedard or Sheets. They have injury question marks but the only way the Twins can attain such a player is one that has a flaw. If the Twins were to acquire one or possibly even both of these players (only possible because Sheets is likely to sign a deal similar to Joe Crede’s to prove his health) it frees them up to trade one of their own pitchers. I’m not talking about Perkins or Liriano though. Perkins isn’t going to bring much and Liriano while still has a ton of potential would be selling low and I’d rather have the Twins hold onto him. I’m talking about guys with value such as Blackburn, Slowey(though it pains me so), Swarzak, Mulvey, and Manship. Obviously there are varying degrees of value here as Blackburn could be a great sell high player (if he can revert back to his 1st half ways), Slowey has a lot of value and I don’t want to trade him but if he’d bring a top level MI back it might be worth it. Swarzak could be worth a lot if he can continue to have a good seasn. Mulvey and Manship show enough potential at AAA to have decent trade value as well.
My preference would be any of those guys but Slowey however like I said if his value is high enough in someones eyes I’d definitely consider it.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Aug 1, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
uh I meant 1, 2, and 3.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Aug 1, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slowey
would probably bring back a return of Brandon Phillips. Maybe not that extreme, but that is along the lines that I think Slowey, straight up, could bring back. Now, am I willing to trade a possible #1, certain #2, starter and potential future Cy Young Award Winner for a 2B like Phillips. It is really tough to say…
I think the Twins should make a run at the free agent market first, i.e. Orlando Hudson, Iwamura, Scutaro, before attempting any trades.
That said, I believe the Twins should keep Slowey, unless as you said, the return is too big to turn down. However, it would have to be along the lines of a Brandon Phillips/Jimmy Rollins for me to pull the trigger knowing Slowey’s potential.
I dont think that Blackburn is going to be able to keep his line up. He seems to be pitching way over his head right now, and sooner or later (like previous three games) its going to come crashing down. The Twins could sell him very high: (J.J. Hardy – Nick Blackburn). Liriano still has a ton of potential but I think he needs to get moved to the pen before he will once again be successful. Perkins would do well in the NL but we must find a fit. Swarzak and Baker are along the lines of Slowey and I would sell them only after selling Perkins/Liriano/Blackburn (in that order).
by 33MorneauMVP on Aug 1, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Agency
It’s nice yes but in the past the Twins have shown an unwillingness to go out an get guys in Free Agency especially if they have to give up picks. That pretty much rules out Scutaro(who is gonna get too much moola after a career year) and Hudson IMO. So you’ve got Felipa Lopez, Iwamura (maybe!!), Chone Figgins possibly, Placido Polanco, and Derosa which all appear to be definite upgrades over what we have. In my mind I rule out at least Polanco and even Derosa based on their age. I thnk the Twins need to be looking at a guy that they can sign at least 3 if not 4 years. Can Chone Figgins still play 2B? I don’t know, I’d love to have his OBP batting #2 next year. Iwamura would be a great target if he gets let go. He’s got a career OBP right around .356 he’s 30 years old only plays good defense I believe and would likely not be overly spendy. Lopez is likely the cheapest option and really he should already be on our team for how cheap he went. He’s got an OBP of .366 this year and .343 last year. In 2007 he had a rough year with only a .308 OBP but before that was once again good with .358 and .352 in 2006 and 2005 respectively.
So in summary you’re right there are a lot of options out there and that might be the best idea rather than giving up one of our current starters.
Oh yah, we could just resign O Cab as well but I don’t see that happening unless he just rips it up with us this Fall.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Aug 1, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There will more FA infielders available this year than last
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Aug 1, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
This is why they might actually have a chance. As I said above there are only a few that have the combo of the Twins wanting them (not a type A) and having the youth/talent to be worth going after. I’ve always been of the impression that Chone Figgins is a good defender and he used to be a super utility. Any chance he could convert to a 2B and be decent? I know little to nothing about defensive metrics, it’s the one thing I’ve never bothered to read up on so if anyone can shed some light on his ability at 2B that would be great. I just love the thought of him in our lineup ahead of our sluggers.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Aug 1, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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