Minor League Report...August 15, 2009
A couple weeks after their most disappointing week of the season, the Twins organization produced their first 30 win week at 30-16. Rochester and Ft. Myers played .500 ball this week while the other five teams had winning records. New Britain remains in the hunt for a playoff spot as does the DSL Twins with Ft. Myers, Elizabethton and the GCL Twins all in first place.
Today I will take a look at a few prospects on each team who I believe have an excellent chance of some day playing for the Twins. I will be returning from vacation next week so my report will be posted either Saturday night or Sunday morning.
There was a lot of movement in the organization this week, which began with the Twins moving Glen Perkins to the disabled list. Perkins' spot on the 25-man roster was filled by the promotion of Jeff Manship who was also added to the 40-man roster. A spot on the 40-man roster was created by moving Kevin Slowey to the 60-day disabled list. Rochester activated Sean Henn from the disabled list. Anthony Slama finally received his promotion to AAA with Loek Van Mil moving up to New Britain from Ft. Myers to replace him. Bobby Lanigan moved up to Ft. Myers with Brad Stillings moving up a level to Beloit. Reliever Kelvin Mata and starter Jhon Garcia moved up to Elizabethton from the GCL.
New Britain also activated Alex Burnett and Michael McCardell from brief stays on the disabled list. Wilson Ramos completed his rehab assignment with the GCL Twins and returned to New Britain yesterday. New Britain placed Juan Portes on the disabled list following being hit in the wrist with a pitch last week. Seth Stohs is reporting that Jay Rainville retired following a two year battle to return from shoulder surgery. The Twins released Mark Grudzielanek who was in New Britain on a minor league assigment. A week ago the Snappers activated Adan Severino from their disabled list. Alejandro Machado moved up from the GCL Twins to the Miracle while on his rehab assignment. Yangervis Solarte and Oswaldo Sosa both joined the GCL Twins this week on rehab assignments. The Twins signed several recent draft picks, including Steve Liddle (#15 round), who joined Elizabethton. Two Puerto Rican high school pitchers appeared in their first games with the GCL Twins, Richard Calcano (#47 round) and Eddie Ahorrio (#45 round).
Rochester Red Wings (AAA) (4-4, 56-62, 4th place, -11.0 gains)
The Wings dropped another game to division leading Scranton/WB. Their week began by splitting two games with Louisville. Philip Humber pitched his best game of the year in Saturday's 3-2 win, 7.0 innings with only 4 hits, 2 unearned runs and 5K/0BB. Yohan Pino may be their best starter of late. He didn't get the decision in Sunday's 7-2 loss after pitching 8.0 innings with 3 hits, 2 runs (1 earned) and 10K/1BB. Pino followed up last night in a 3-4 loss to Syracuse, pitching 5.2 innings with 8 hits, 2 runs and 4K/1BB. The Wings won their five game series with Buffalo behind Philip Humber Thursday as he beat Buffalo 9-4, pitching 6.0 innings with 8 hits, 4 runs and 4K/0BB. The back end of the bullpen was nearly perfect with Rob Delaney pitching 2.0 shutout innings with 1 hit. Anthony Slama made his AAA debut by pitching 1.0 inning with no hits, no runs and 2K/1BB. Armando Gabino was very good in the opening game of the Buffalo series as he pitched the Wings to a 8-2 win with 6.2 innings, 5 hits, 2 runs and 4K/0BB.
The two pitchers currently with the Red Wings who have the best chances of taking that next step are the two top relievers in the organization, Rob Delaney and Anthony Slama. These two have been together every step of the way with Delaney usually receiving his promotion before Slama. Delaney has a 5-3 record, 3.00ERA, 1.05WHIP and 30K/12BB in 27 games (39.0 innings) with the Wings. Delaney, who had a 1-1 record with a 2.00ERA and 40K/6BB in 36.0 innings with New Britain earlier this year, appears destined to join the Twins as a September callup. Slama's only problem appears to be issuing a few to many walks at New Britain where he had 93K/32BB in 51 games (65.1 innings) with a 4-2 record, organization high 25 saves and 2.48ERA. With only one appearance at AAA to date, it will be interesting to see if Slama also gets a September callup.
The player that most Twins fans see as the Red Wing player who can make a difference next year is third baseman Danny Valencia. After a torrid start to his AAA career, Valencia slipped into a slump in late July. He has made the necessary adjustments and is hitting .324 in his last ten games with 2 doubles and a home run. In his first 47 games (176 at bats), Valencia is hitting .301/.321/.483 with 6 home runs. Although his AAA experience is very brief, the only negative one can see is that he has taken only 6 walks compared with a relatively low 25 strikeouts.
New Britain Rock Cats (AA) (4-2, 59-59, Tied/2nd place, -9.0 games)
The Rock Cats got back to .500 and are now tied with Trenton a half game ahead of Portland in their battle for a play-off spot. Their week began by splitting two games with Akron. Matt Fox returned to his early season form as he picked up his seventh win (8 losses) in a 4-1 win Sunday when he pitched 7.0 innings with 5 hits, 1 run and 5K/1BB. Deolis Guerra wasn't good in Saturday's 11-7 loss, pitching only 3.1 innings with 8 hits, 8 runs and 2K/1BB. Guerra got a chance to redeem himself as the Cats opened another series with Akron last night. Guerra was up to the challenge as he pitched his most dominating game of the year in the Cats 7-0 win with 6.0 no-hit innings with 9K/3BB before being pulled because of his pitch count. Loek Van Mil came in for his AA debut, pitching 2.0 shutout innings with 1 hit and 1K/0BB.
In between the Akron series, the Cats took two of three from Erie behind Michael McCardell's 4-1 win with 5.0 innings, 4 hits, 1 run and 4K/2BB and Ryan Mullins best start of the year, a 1-0 twelve inning win. Mullins received a no decision after pitching 7.0 shutout innings with 8 hits and 9K/1BB. Kyle Waldrop came on to pitch 3.0 perfect innings to pick up his second win. Perhaps the biggest story of the Erie series was Cole DeVries who allowed 8 hits and 5 runs in 5.2 innings of their Tuesday 5-3 loss. DeVries has a 7-12 record with a 4.26ERA in a team high 118.1 innings. Following Tuesday's loss, DeVries has a 1-9 record at home with a 5.89ERA compared with a 6-3 record on the road with an excellent 2.84ERA.......I don't know how to explain an ERA that is more than double at home than on the road?
Following last season, USA Today named Michael McCardell as their selection for the Twins Minor League Player of the Year. Following 2008 when he had a 9-4 record with a 2.86ERA in 135.1 innings with 139K/25BB, McCardell moved up to Ft. Myers this spring. Although his strikeout rate is down a bit, he responded with a 9-6 record, 3.93ERA and 78K/16BB in 17 starts, 94.0 innings. McCardell was promoted to AA several weeks ago where his numbers are a bit deceptive. He has a 2-1 record with a 5.57ERA in 4 starts (21.0 innings) with 20K/8BB. After his first game that was a disaster, 11 earned runs in 4.0 innings, McCardell has made three starts (17.0 innings) with 11 hits, 2 earned runs and 13K/5BB. All indications are that McCardell has taken that big step to AA and is on track to become a solid starter for the Twins perhaps as early as late 2010. Only time will tell whether he is another third or fourth man in the rotation or can become that special front of the rotation starter.
Another New Britain pitcher who appears destined to a career with the Twins is Alex Burnett, who recently celebrated his 22nd birthday. After a solid 2008 for the Miracle, Burnett returned to Ft. Myers this spring as the Twins converted him to a short reliever. Burnett responded with a 2-1 record, 4 saves, 1.99ERA and 26K/7BB in 18 games (22.2 innings). With the experiment proven to be a success, the Twins moved Burnett up to AA where he has been even better. In 31 games (41.0 innings), Burnett has a 1-2 record, 1.76ERA, 1.05WHIP and 35K/17BB.
New Britain has several players who may eventually make it to the Twins. They have two however, who appear capable of becomming stars several years from now. Some of us thought that Wilson Ramos had a chance to be the Twins back up catcher out of spring training as the Twins waited for Joe Mauer to recover from his winter physical problems. Yet, this is the Twins and moving a top prospect all the way from Ft. Myers to Minnesota just isn't in their philosophy. Following being named the MVP of this past winter's Caribbean Series, Ramos began his season playing like a future star, hitting .308/.326/.444 with 3 home runs and 18 RBI in 133 at bats. Unfortunately, a broken finger followed by a nagging hamstring injury limited him to only 36 games. Ramos returned last night with a couple hits in three at bats and a walk and may give the Cats the lift they need to get into his second playoffs of the year.
The other future star playing for the Rock Cats is outfielder Rene Tosoni. After moving up to AA following only 40 some games beyond rookie ball, Tosoni struggled in April by hitting .180/.261/.361. Tosoni learned from that month and has hit for better than a .300Average three of the four months since to get his numbers up to .278/.365/.464 in 371 at bats with 24 doubles, 3 triples, 13 home runs and a team high 64 RBI. Tosoni, who was the sole selection from the Twins in this year's Futures game, appears to be the next young outfielder who should be vying for a position with the Twins in spring training, 2011.
Ft. Myers Miracle (Hi-A) (3-3, 25-22, Tied/1st place)
After winning the first half, the Miracle is battling to win both ends of this season and go one step further in this year's playoffs and win a FSL championship. They began their week with two wins over Sarasota, 8-7 and 6-1, behind Tyler Robertson (6.0 innings with 6 hits, 4 runs (2 earned) and 5K/0BB) and Santos Arias (7.0 innings with 3 hits, 1 run and 5K/2BB), who improved his record to 6-1. Steven Hirschfield, who may be their best starter the second half, started the Palm Beach series with a 5-2 win on Tuesday. Hirschfield pitched 6.0 shutout innings with 4 hits and 5K/1BB and his 2.00ERA is tied for the best on the league. David Bromberg picked up his second loss Thursday, 4-2, pitching 6.0 innings with 6 hits, 4 runs and 7K/2BB. Robertson was again very good last night in a 3-1 loss to Sarasota, pitching 6.0 innings with 4 hits, 2 runs and 4K/2BB.
With several good young starters having moved on to New Britain (McCardell, Gutierrez, Guerra), the starter on the Miracle staff with the highest ceiling is David Bromberg. Bromberg has the league's third most wins (11) and fifth best ERA, 2.60, to go with a 1.23WHIP and a team high 131.1 innings. Although his strikeout rate is down from last year (177 in 150.0 innings), his 120 strikeouts is the most in the FSL this season. All indications are that Bromberg has what it takes to make it all the way to the Twins. The question remains whether or not he can be that special player who will some day be an opening day starter?
There are several players with the Miracle who have the potential of being an every day player for the Twins, however, two have a higher probability of someday fulfilling their dreams. Former first round pick Ben Revere's game is all about speed. Although he has at best an average arm, his speed gives him incredible range in the outfield. On the bases, it appears he needs to work on his instincts as demonstrated by his 37 stolen bases in 52 attempts. For a player with a game based on speed, the Twins must be concerned about the knee injuries that have affected his play the last two seasons. Where he plays defensively may be a question, however, their is no question that he can be a big asset for the Twins if his legs don't betray him.
The other player is also a former first round pick, Chris Parmalee. Known as a power hitter with little else, Parmalee has quietly improved his game this season and is now hitting a respectable .271/.358/.464 in 362 at bats. Parmalee leads the pitching rich FSL with 14 homes runs, his 64 RBI trail the league leader by one, his 49 walks are sixth best in the league and his 92 strikeouts are to many and also in the league's top 10. When drafted the Twins believed he was the best power hitting high school prospects in the draft. It appears that unlike other power hitters taken by the Twins in recent drafts, they may have been right about Parmalee. He will likely become a future Twin who will hit 20+ home runs as a corner outfielder, first baseman, designated hitter sometime after 2011.
Beloit Snappers (A) (5-3, 20-28, 7th place, -8.5 games)
The Snappers have been playing better the second half with this week being one of their best of the season. Bruce Pugh, who was recently inserted into the starting rotation, responded with two great games this week. He pitched 4.2 innings with 6 hits, 3 runs (2 earned) and 3K/1BB in Sunday's 9-7 win over Cedar Rapids. Pugh followed with one of the best Snapper starts this season in last night's 2-0 win over Clinton. Pugh pitched 6.0 shutout innings with 2 hits and 7K/3BB. Team Ace Brad Tippett was good in Wednesday's 4-2 loss to Clinton, pitching 6.2 innings with only 3 hits, 2 runs and 5K/1BB.
Tippett has been the Snappers' best starter all season as evidenced by his 8-5 record, 2.74ERA, 1.00WHIP and 95K/22BB in 20 starts (125.0 innings). After returning to Elizabethton last year when the Twins converted Tippett from a reliever to starter, Tippett eventually moved up to Beloit where he has also been this season. He is a control pitcher without a high strikeout rate, yet, this young Australian has one of the better WHIP's of any starter in the organization in part because he allows less than 2 walks per 9 innings. It is a long way from Beloit to the Twins, however, Tippett appears to be someone who has an chance of making that journey.
The Snappers have three young men who will be very high on this coming winter's prospect lists. Aaron Hicks is considered by many to have the highest ceiling of any prospect in the organization. Although Hicks hasn't hit this season at Beloit like Revere did last year, there are many aspects of his game that are encouraging for someone hitting .244/.353/.355 in 172 at bats. Hicks has given us a glimpse of his power with 9 doubles, 2 triples and 2 home runs, yet 5 stolen bases in 12 attempts is an indication that his baseball skills are very raw. Perhaps the most encouraging aspect of his game is his plate discipline as he has taken 29 walks compared to 34 strikeouts.
A second player with Beloit who appears to have a high ceiling is catcher Danny Rams. Rams put up ridiculous numbers at Elizabethton earlier this year when he hit .355/.444/.790 with 6 home runs and 23 RBI in 62 at bats. The Twins promoted Rams to Beloit in July where he is hitting very well in the more advanced league. Rams has continued to demonstrate his power with 11 doubles and 7 home runs in 109 at bats while hitting .284/.345/.578 for the Snappers. For the season, Rams has 13 home runs and 20 doubles in only 171 at bats at Elizabethton and Beloit. Although his first two years in the organziation caused many to question whether the Twins errored in taking him in the second round of the 2007 draft, he appears to have figured it out and has become one of the best power hitting prospects in the organization. The third player with the Snappers who has a very high ceiling will be discussed later as this week's Player of the Week.
Elizabethton Twins (6-1, 35-16, 1st place, +6.0 games)
The ETon Twins expanded their lead over Johnson City this week and appear desitined to another playoff battle with the Danville Braves. Highlites this week include a 5.0 inning shutout start by Edgar Ibarra (5.0 innings with 4 hits and 8K/4BB) in Tuesday's 12-3 win over Greenville. Tom Stuifbergen also had a great start in Monday's 3-2 win when he pitched 8.0 innings with 4 hits, 1 run and 3K/0BB. Miguel Munoz and Martire Garcia also had excellent starts in 5-1 and 4-2 wins when they pitched 8.0 and 6.0 innings respectively, with each allowing only 1 run.
Billy Bullock and Ben Tootle are both high picks from this year's draft who have had excellent starts to their careers with the ETon Twins. When talking about players in rookie ball it is difficult to predict who may eventually make it to the Twins, however, the player from this year's draft (14th round pick) who is doing the best is lefty, Matt Tone. Tone, who has picked up 4 wins and 1 loss working out of the bullpen, has a 1.24ERA and 37K/21BB in 13 games (29.0 innings). Seth Stohs recently pointed out that in his last seven appearances, 17.2 innings, Tone allowed only 1 hit and no runs...although he did give up 12 walks.
Two players from this year's draft, Brian Dozier and Chris Herrmann, and a young Venezuelan, Josmil Pinto, have been hitting very well. I have however, been converted by Eric of Madison into someone who is suspect of the gaudy numbers we see from the Appy League and will wait until next season to see how these young men perform when they get to A ball. I expect we will all follow the career of Brian Dozier, who is hitting .338/.405/.407, closely now that shortstop Tyler Ladendorf has been shipped off to Oakland in the Cabrera trade.
GCL Twins (4-1, 26-16, 1st place, +3.5 games)
The Twins added another 2.5 games to their lead over the second place Orioles this week, splitting two games with the Orioles. Jhon Garcia was the loser, 5-4, to the Orioles last Saturday when he pitched 5.0 innings with 7 hits, 3 runs and 3K/0BB. Blayne Weller got the start in a crucial rematch with the Orioles on Thursday, pitching the Twins to a 2-1 win with 5.0 shutout innings with 4 hits and 4K/1BB.
I don't know who from this team will eventually make it to the Twins, however, Andrei Lobonav has been the talk of the league with his 1-1 record, 5 saves and 1.00ERA and 0.67WHIP in 18.0 innings with 30K/0BB.....yes, that is 1.67 strikeouts per inning (15 per 9 innings) with NO walks. Another reliever who is pitching excellent out of the bullpen is Zach See who has a 0.86ERA, 1.14WHIP and 28K/10BB in 21.0 innings.
Two starters who have been very, very good are B.J. Hermsen and Dominican Republic native, 18 year old Adrian Salcedo. Hermsen has an excellent 5-1 record, 0.92ERA, 0.69WHIP and 29K/3BB in 39.1 innings. Although his strikeout rate isn't high, he appears to be a young starter with a very bright future. Seth Stohs and I have both written a lot about Salcedo who was last year's young star in the DSL. Salcedo, who reportedly throws at or better than 90mph, has a 3-1 record with a 1.67ERA, 1.12WHIP and 42K/2BB in a team high 43.0 innings. Both of these young men should move rapidly through the Twins system and we all will be following them very closely
In what may be surprising for a first place team, no GCL Twin active player has a batting average over .300 with Hyeong-rok Choi the team leader at .292/.395/.431. Like Tyler Ladendorf last season and Danny Rams the year before, there may be several players who will become top prospects in the future, however, no one is hitting like Revere, Hidalgo and Hicks have the past few years.
DSL Twins (4-2, 42-23, 2nd place, -1.5 games)
The Twins held serve with the Yankees-2 this week and remain a game and a half out of first place. They again had three excellent starts with Cesar Ciurcina (7.0 innings, 3 hits, 1 run and 10K/1BB), Manuel Soliman (6.0 innings, 4 hits, 0 runs and 6K/0BB) and Pedro Guerra (7.0 innings, 5 hits, 0 runs and 5K/3BB) all picking up wins.
We have read a lot about Pedro Guerra (19 years old) who has allowed only 3 earned runs in 13 games (68.0 innings), yet, all indications are that Cesar Ciurcina (18 years old) may be the top prospect playing with the DSL Twins this year. Ciurcina has a 8-2 record with a 1.45ERA, 0.70 WHIP and 64K/7BB in a team high 74.2 innings. It should be exciting to see if Ciurcina will pitch next season with the GCL Twins like Adrian Salcedo is this year.
The most exciting prospect playing for the DSL Twins is 16 year old third baseman, Wander Guillen. Guillen, who joined the Twins shortly after the July 2nd International signing date, is their leading hitter at .326/.439/.400 in 95 at bats. Guillen has 2 doubles, 1 triple, 1 home run and 17 RBI with 17 walks and 22 strikeouts. Will Guillen be playing for the GCL Twins as a 17 year old next summer? Although several years away, is Guillen a player who will rise rapidly throught he system and break into the major leagues in four or five years as a 20 or 21 year old?
Player of the Week
This week's selection is a player that is oft referred to as a five tool player. A young man who was the leading hitter in the Appalachian League last summer as an 18 year old, moved up to Beloit this year where we all expected him to continue his rise to stardom.
In what was a surprise to many, Angel Morales struggled his first month in a full season league when he hit only .172Average in 58 at bats. Like would be expected of a top prospect, Morales adjusted to hit .265/.356/.480 in 102 at bats in May. Morales struggled again in June, however, he battled injuries the entire month that limited him to only 50 at bats and 16 games. Morales caught fire in July and although limited by his injury during the first part of the month, hit .361/.375/.541 in 61 at bats in July.
Morales' selection as this week's Player of the Week is more reflective of his play this month when he has hit .356/.412/.667 in 15 games (45 at bats) with 5 doubles, 3 home runs and 11 RBI. For the season, Morales is hitting .256/.317/.449 with 53 runs scored, 47 RBI, 19 doubles, 4 triples, 11 home runs and 12 stolen bases in 16 attempts.
In the past, one criticism of Morales has been his high number of strikeouts (72 strikeouts in 183 at bats last year at Elizabethton). Morales has improved this year with 88 strikeouts in 316 at bats and the number has been improving during the year as he has struck out only 24 times in 106 at bats in July and August. He also isn't known for taking a lot of walks which again holds true with only 23 free passes this season. But walks shouldn't be a concern for a player who has 34 extra base hits in 82 total hits.
Although he will likely be a corner outfielder for the Twins some day, Morales has both the speed and arm needed for a center fielder which makes him one player that the term "five tool player" is not a stretch.
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Always a good read
I know the Twins have taken a lot of criticism recently in regard to the quality of their minor league system, but, at least at the lower levels, they have some very good position players, and a handful of mid-guys on the hill.
Ramos and Rams both look like players, same for Morales, Hicks and Revere. We’ll see Valencia soon enough. Tolleson notwithstanding, the crying need seems to be MI.
The pitching, even once they get to MLB, it’s just a crap shoot, as Perkins, Liriano and Swarzak, even Blackburn are showing. Still, they would be well advised to sign Gibson on Monday, they have the dough.
I think pitching is much more about confidence and character than anything else, and trying to figure out who’s got it and who doesn’t — might as well use a Ouija Board.
But, I salute the author for his high quality work. Makes a fading season more palatable to remember that there is hope out there in the up and comers.
by Old Twins Cap on Aug 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent
Sadly, so few players do make the majors and give any sort of impact to the roster. You picked a good number who should have careers with the Twins. Just the right amount of future potential stars, Roger!
It is always intresting. Only so much room for prospects. And then you get all the guys that get a shot (let’s say Drew Butera, Trevor Plouffe, Luke Hughes, Brian Dinkelman, Steve Tolleson, amongst others) that probably will just be one-two year backups.
Again, Roger…some gems.
And somewhere in there is Matt Moses!
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by rosterman on Aug 15, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what to make of Aaron Hicks' struggles?
its not that I’m worried or concerned ….. much
But, I don’t think he is doing what he is capable of on the baseball diamond particulary home-plate right now at all.
I think he needs to get stronger, fill out gain some upper body strength – muscle
(I shouldn’t be talking by the way)
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 16, 2009 3:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Based on what I have seen and heard, Hicks has a long ways to go
I sat next to a scout from Boston last year. (actually he lived in NC, but works for the BoSox) Anyway, we got to talking about Twins prospects. He did not think too highly of many. He liked Revere, Parmelee and a few others.
Then the subject of Hicks came up. He said something to the effect that it will be a very nice pick for the Twins, then he paused, and finished by saying…“when you convert him to a pitcher.” (we also talked about Casey Kelley. He said they drafted Kelley, and I said “oh yeah, the high school shortstop from…” he interrupted me to say they saw him as a pitcher. And he said the same thing about Hicks. They never would have drafted Hicks as an outfielder.
He was a great guy. Talked to him for hours. He did not think very highly of McCardell or several others on our Beloit team. But he was clear about one thing. The Red Sox would have loved to have Hicks as a pitcher, but did not think Hicks would ever hit enough to be a major league outfielder. He said, “just watch, someday you will convert him to a pitcher…and he will take off”. So I said, “you could be wrong”, he could be a great outfielder some day…he said, “yeah, we’ve been wrong before.” But he went on to say that if Hicks was a pitcher, there would be a very high probability of success, at least in the minds of Red Sox scouts. But their consensus was, he would never make it as a hitter.
I took it for what it was worth…an opinion…nothing more. But the thing that bothered me was how accurate he was about every single guy we talked about. From several organizations. This guy knew his stuff. So…I guess that conversation has bothered me a bit. I hope he is wrong. But I have heard from another scout that said his “speculation” as to why the Twins left Hicks in Extended was because Hicks is having trouble as a left handed hitter. He has trouble with offspeed pitches. Ah..who knows…just seems a bit premature to rank him as our best prospect. I have him as our #5 prospect and that may be generous…but mostly I am just hoping he becomes who we think he will become.
by NorthDakotaTwinsFan on Aug 16, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hicks has been better of late
It’s a big jump from the GCL to Beloit. It says something about Revere that he made that jump so successfully. Hicks has made a lot of progress and has shown it the last month or so.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Aug 16, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HIcks
I think we all knew all along that he’s all about tools and upside and potential. There aren’t a ton of true 5 (or 6) tool prospects out there, so I do agree with the Twins drafting him as a hitter. But we all knew that he had a lot of work to do. We knew he wasn’t as polished offensively as Revere. I have zero concerns about him at this point. Like c-mat said, it’s a huge jump from the GCL to Beloit for anyone. Don’t forget either that he would have finished his freshman year of college this year, so he wouldn’t have been draft-able again until the 2011 draft. by that route, he would be playing in E-Town in 2011 and Beloit in 2012. Well, he’s 3 years ahead of the game… So hopefully that helps the “Be Patient” case.
by SethSpeaks on Aug 16, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rule V Draft
Roger, in last week’s update you noted that we have tough decisions on a lot of our minor leaguers and should consider trading AA/AAA for A prospects who don’t need to be protected. Who are some of these guys we’ve got to consider adding to the 40 man roster?
by Adam Peterson on Aug 16, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Current 40 man
Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
30 Scott Baker R/R 6-4 220 09/19/81
53 Nick Blackburn R/R 6-4 225 02/24/82
* 26 Boof Bonser R/R 6-4 260 10/14/81 60-day Disabled List
28 Jesse Crain R/R 6-1 215 07/05/81
39 R.A. Dickey R/R 6-2 215 10/29/74
52 Brian Duensing L/L 5-11 195 02/22/83
* 83 Armando Gabino R/R 6-3 210 08/31/83
54 Matt Guerrier R/R 6-3 195 08/02/78
44 Bob Keppel R/R 6-5 215 06/11/82
47 Francisco Liriano L/L 6-2 225 10/26/83
49 Jeff Manship R/R 6-2 200 01/16/85
50 Jose Mijares L/L 6-0 230 10/29/84
* 61 Kevin Mulvey R/R 6-2 195 05/26/85
36 Joe Nathan R/R 6-4 225 11/22/74
* 17 Pat Neshek S/R 6-3 210 09/04/80 60-day Disabled List
48 Carl Pavano R/R 6-5 240 01/08/76
15 Glen Perkins L/L 6-0 200 03/02/83 15-day Disabled List
* 59 Kevin Slowey R/R 6-3 195 05/04/84 60-day Disabled List
51 Anthony Swarzak R/R 6-4 225 09/10/85
71 Drew Butera R/R 6-1 210 08/09/83
7 Joe Mauer L/R 6-5 225 04/19/83
* 58 Jose Morales S/R 5-11 195 02/20/83
* 76 Wilson Ramos R/R 6-0 220 08/10/87
55 Mike Redmond R/R 5-11 200 05/05/71
* 32 Brian Buscher L/R 6-0 220 04/18/81
18 Orlando Cabrera R/R 5-9 185 11/02/74
25 Alexi Casilla S/R 5-9 180 07/20/84
24 Joe Crede R/R 6-2 230 04/26/78
23 Brendan Harris R/R 6-1 210 08/26/80
* 57 Luke Hughes R/R 5-11 205 08/02/84
* 27 Matt Macri R/R 6-2 215 05/29/82
33 Justin Morneau L/R 6-4 235 05/15/81
* 1 Trevor Plouffe R/R 6-2 195 06/15/86
8 Nick Punto S/R 5-9 190 11/08/77
* 74 Deibinson Romero R/R 6-1 200 09/24/86
* 20 Matt Tolbert S/R 6-0 185 05/04/82
* 77 Steven Tolleson R/R 5-11 185 11/01/83
5 Michael Cuddyer R/R 6-2 215 03/27/79
22 Carlos Gomez R/R 6-4 215 12/04/85
* 11 Jason Pridie L/R 6-1 205 10/09/83
2 Denard Span L/L 6-0 205 02/27/84
21 Delmon Young R/R 6-3 200 09/14/85
16 Jason Kubel L/R 6-0 220 05/25/82
* Not on Active Roster
- Not on 40-Man Roster
by clutterheart on Aug 16, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say these guys need to be added:
Slama
Valencia
Delany
Pino
Maybe Burnett & Tosoni too
I do not understand why Plouffe, and Romero are on the 40 man
by clutterheart on Aug 16, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are all of these guys going to be exposed
to the Rule V if we don’t add? If we need, say, 4-5 spots, I would probably expose someone from Dickey, Buscher, Hughes, Macri, Plouffe, Pridie.
by Adam Peterson on Aug 16, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd DFA all but Plouffe in that group
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by cmathewson on Aug 16, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree... but
I may keep Hughes too, just as a RH power option. The Twins just dont’ have a lot of that, so I probably would keep him.
by SethSpeaks on Aug 16, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 1000 percent with Seth
You gotta keep both Plouffe and Hughes from that group
The way the Braves use OF Matt Diaz who crushes lefties but can’t hit righties very well is the way we could/should and Hopefully will use Luke Hughes who dominates left-handed pitching…..
he can play left-field and DH and pinch hit ….thats good enough for me
but hopefully he can learn how to play 1 of 3B or 2B properly…
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 17, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better offensive version of Buscher
from the RH side. Makes sense to me.
by Adam Peterson on Aug 18, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't add Pino
He’s 26 and projects as a reliever. I’d add Morillo before Pino. Definitely Burnett, Guerra and Tosoni have to be added, as well as Tyler Robertson.
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by cmathewson on Aug 16, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robertson...
high school pick in ‘06, so he doesn’t have to be added for another year.
No way Pino gets added, unless he gets a nice promotion in September, but my guess is he would come off right after the season.
by SethSpeaks on Aug 16, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Pino does is produce at every level he has been at.
I don’t get why people are so down on him
Of course I have never dug into his stats besides ERA and have not looked at any reports on him…but still…he seems to be a pitch to contact control guy who gets outs!
by clutterheart on Aug 16, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pino
I’ve liked Pino since I started following the Twins system. He’s got quite am amazing professional W-L record since starting in the DSL several years ago. He’s always done a good job of throwing strikes and also getting a couple of strikeouts. The downside is that he’s like 150 pounds and his fastball doesn’t come near 90. I thought he was a solid prospect when he was 22, not when he’s 26. That said, again, I would love to see him get a September call-up.
by SethSpeaks on Aug 16, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally got my computer turned on...
…out here in Seattle. Players that I believe must be added this year or will have a high probability of being gone:
1. Anthony Slama
2. Rob Delaney
3. Danny Valencia
4. Deolis Guerra
5. Alex Burnett
6. Loek Van Mil
7. Rene Tosoni
8. David Bromberg
I show Robertson as a 2006 high school draft, thus, he shouldn’t be exposed this year. Some how we need to protect 8 players (expect a few of these will be added on September 1st and called up…Valencia, Delaney, Slama?).
Players that I like who will be exposed and most likely won’t be lost unless they are somehow lost in the minor league draft:
9. Yohan Pino
10. Juan Morillo
11. David Winfree
12. Kyle Waldrop
13. Erik Lis
14. Whit Robbins
15. Brian Dinkelman
16. Steve Singleton
17. Juan Portes
I expect all of the above should make it through, but I can certainly understand why the Twins can’t protect any more than the first 8. There also will be input from our minor league people who know a lot more about this, specifically, what type of player other teams usually look for and reasons why someone we like may not be the type of talent to get selected by any teams.
by roger13 on Aug 16, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Seth knows...
…whether or not Bromberg is eligible this year? He was a 2005 high school draft signed in 2006 as a draft and follow. Under the current CBA, he would be eligible. But he didn’t sign until 2006 and was likely 18, so he is one of those who isn’t clear to us novices! Hopefully he isn’t and we have only 7 critical prospects to add.
by roger13 on Aug 16, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a player is taken in the rule 5 draft
He has to be on the MLB team for the whole year.
that is why a player like Bromberg, Van Mil & Guerra don’t need to be on the 40 man
Neither of those guys could cut it for a whole year. – they are no Johan Santana!
But if they take a player off they have to be DFA’ed which makes them free agents.
(I am not 100% clear on this so if I am offbase I would love for someone to say so.)
by clutterheart on Aug 16, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different levels of the draft
My memory is a bit hazy on this, but there’s a major league portion of the rule 5 draft, where teams would have to roster a player all season. There are also minor league portions where a team would have to roster the player at AAA.
by Adam Peterson on Aug 17, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor League
The minor league portion is at whatever level or above. Justin Jones was the perfect example. He was drafted by the National after the Twins had demoted him to Ft. Myers. So the Nationals could keep him as long as he played at their Hi-A team or above.
If you are looking at players to fill spots at AAA ball, usually that can be done with minor elague free agents (5 or six years in a system).
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by rosterman on Aug 17, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Santana
Had pitched as high as the Midwest league. The Twins were able to keep him on the roster for a whole year even though he had an ERA over 6. Lots of teams can carry a guy just for mop-up work.
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by cmathewson on Aug 17, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
You can carry a Rule 5 as that 25th player easily.
But you have him take the palce of someone else, maybe more valuable (think Minnesota Twins and the thought of a third catcher).
The Twins passed on keeping Jason pridie around a few years back.
I thought Ryan Rowland-Smith showed enough to have been the back-end of the bullpen, then spend another sason in the minors, and maybe that long lefty the Twins can use.
Alejandro Machado is one guy who will forever be immortalzied in the Twins media guide as being a major league player without a game in the majors…due to being a Rule 5 for a whole season on the DL. Two saesons later, he’s still back and forth nursing injuries.
It also depends on where you stand in the competitive field of the division if you can hold a minor elague talent at the abck-end of the roster. The Twins were quite lucky with Santana.
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by rosterman on Aug 17, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WellBromberg and Guerra for sure would get chosen
Probably Van Mill as well.
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by cmathewson on Aug 17, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
14 gone, 11 really
Pavano, Crede will be free agents.
Doubt the Twins will pick-up, protect Redmond.
Cut from 40-man:
Dickey (might be gone with Sept. 1 adds)
Duensing (do they need to protect a 27-year-old lefty who isn’t a starter)
Keppel (showed his stuff, replaceable)
Gabino (if you find him promising, he should’ve been up and goten his ryout by now)
Drew Butera (would be nice to see a Sept. call-up, give him 1 big league at bat, afterall, his dad is a former Twin…but no need to protect further)
Buscher (don’t even need to keep him for insurance)
Macri (will be dropped by Sept. 1 and repalced by someone, Valencia, perhaps)
Debinson Romero (why was he protected?)
Tolbert (got his shot, been there, done that…we have Punto)
Questionable:
Luke Hughes (is he a prospect…if anyone gets picked in the Rule 5, might be him…moving him to AA was a move by Twins to maybe keep him)
Tolleson (again, if he is a prospect, take a peek now…he can’t be worse than Casilla or Punto).
Pridie (there’s other 5th outfielders)
Casilla (Twins must still think he’s the future)
On the bubble:
Boof (do you offer him arbitration).
Neshek (again, won’t be back until 30-60 days in season and arbitration eligible)
Harris (is he worth going to arbitration)
Crain (again, arbitration eligible…worth it?)
Perkins (what will his arbitration be like)
Liriano (he wants to make big money. 11 losses…eh>)
Hope a chocie is made between Gomez/Young.
Twins have to decide who to protect that could maybe play in 2011 (Valencia, Plouffe?).
Rule 5 will draft guys if they are worthwhile to keep on the major league roster.
Is the minor league portion rules: players must be kept at same level or above?
I know Matt Moses will be a minor league free agent. Any other names?
Who do we see playing in the Arizona Instruction League…that will hurt the player’s chance to be a September call-up!
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by rosterman on Aug 16, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Debinson Romero (why was he protected?)
Because he has the most upside of any Twins third-base prospect. Remember, when you unprotect a guy, he can be had by any team for a waiver claim. And the team that gets him can keep him in the minors all year. In the rule 5, it costs $50K plus they must keep the guy in the majors all year.
Are you serious about not keeping Neshek and Liriano? Neshek was the best set-up guy in the game before the injury. It’s not even a question whether we keep him. Liriano has too much promise just to let him go for nothing.
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by cmathewson on Aug 16, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he is at least 2 years away
The FO jumped the gun on him and added him to oearly.
according to my understanding, when he was added, that started his clock so he has to be in the majors in 3 years. Is that right?
by clutterheart on Aug 16, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romero
Had he been left unprotected, he would have been selected by someone. Now, would that team have kept him around for the entire season. I don’t know. It will be interesting to see what they decide to do with him this offseason as 2009 was disappointing after an injury-filled 2008. But yes, 2009 was his first option year. 2010 and 2011 he can also be optioned. He would have to remain with the team starting in 2012. I think they’d want to keep him on the roster and send him to AA next year to see where he goes. He is very talented, and scouts definitely like him. (certainly more than I do)
by SethSpeaks on Aug 16, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
For the life of my I can’t see why someone would add an infielder who was coming off an injury. (Didn’t he break a leg in ’08?)
I think the twins added him and Plouffe too early
by clutterheart on Aug 16, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plouffe ...
definitely would have been taken by someone. No question about that one.
by SethSpeaks on Aug 16, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
taken maybe
But would he stick the whole year?
by clutterheart on Aug 16, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
It’s pretty easy to hide a backup infielder on the bench, esp on a bad team. Ronny Cedeno is getting lots of playing time in Pittsburgh.
by DJL44 on Aug 17, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Plouffe is the paradigm case of a guy you could develop into a utility player at the major league level.
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by cmathewson on Aug 17, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Span cough cough
He could be a guy like Span who puts it together a littler later than people thought he would but because he’s with the Twins he won’t be rushed to the majors until need be.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Aug 17, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlikely
Guys like Span who stink up the joint in the minors before suddenly putting it all together in the majors are exceedingly rare. Minor league numbers are usually very good predictors of future performance.
That isn’t to say he couldn’t have some marginal value as a utility player.
by Mike I on Aug 17, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did Span get into this discussion?
…Am on vacation and don’t have all my data with me, but I know that Span had several very good seasons in the minors. Yes, he didn’t hit for power which is one of the strikes some fans were giving him. But I do recall that I had him ranked in the top 3 or 4 more than one year…based on what he did that year.
by roger13 on Aug 17, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Span had a much better minor league career than Plouffe has
The rest of the time, he was around average. He lacked power, but he also lacked plate discipline. After having an OBP over .400 in Fort Myers in the first half of 2005, his OBP in New Britain that year was .355. He repeated AA in 2006 and his OBP went down to .340. He was promoted to Rochester in 2007 and his OBP went down again to .323. He looked like anything but a prospect at that point.
Then a funny thing happened. He had eye surgery and came to spring training with a better eye at the plate and a new attitude. He went down to Rochester and put up an OBP of .434 before getting called up to the Twins and putting up an OBP of .387.
The reference to Plouffe is logical, but not quite fair. Like Span, he’s in his 23-year-old season at AAA. Like Span, he’s having a disappointing season in his first year in AAA. Unlike Span, Plouffe has never had an OBP over .340 in the minors. His career OBP is .317. And it’s unlikely his eyes are the problem. No, he’s a hacker, striking out twice as often as he walks. Span often had a much smaller K/BB ratio in his time in the minors.
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by cmathewson on Aug 17, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
about the OBP. Plouffe did hit for more power but not enough to compensate for the lack of on base skills. He’ll never be a power hitter like Span is a leadoff hitter and he’s also not as good of a defender it sounds like.
I still think Plouffe has an outside shot given his age. Something could click or he could become another guy in a long line of Twins utility players.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Aug 19, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that far fetched
I agree it likely won’t happen but Span is a very good example and if you had him ranked in the top 3 or 4 it was likley based on potential than performance. He had a career .715 OPS in the minors and that included his 40 games there last year in which he tore it up to the tune of a .915 OPS.
Plouffe has a career .698 OPS and while he hasn’t done a lot to encourage anybody he is only 23 and I believe he plays pretty good defense, right? Maybe he just needs to put it all together at the ripe old age of 24 or even 25 like Span did.
Now to be clear, I’m not saying Plouffe has a good chance at becoming an everyday major league player. I am saying that Span is a decent comp as far as they are both high picks, were unimpressive in the minors but did progress through the system at a decent pace despite being unimpressive. Yes Span was better overall in the minors but not all that much.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Aug 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My year end rankings...
…are always based on each players performance during the previous season, has almost nothing to do with potential. When Span was ranked high, I didn’t have as much of my formula based on power which has been tweeked a bit since then. But yes, Span graded out well during several years in the organization…just didn’t get a lot of respect on some fan sites (not necessarily here).
by roger13 on Aug 17, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If my memory is correct
You got some heat for calling Span one of the better prospects.
Your formula worked for Span! Not sure why you needed to tweak it.
by clutterheart on Aug 18, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some heat...
…would be an understatement. Especially on a certain other site. But yes, my formula rated players like Span more highly than most prospect guru’s. With all the grief that he took…is great to see him playing so well and I suspect he worked very hard to prove lots of people wrong.
by roger13 on Aug 18, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand both sides
When your formula rated a 23-year-old at AAA with an OPS under .700 as the third best position player in the system, that’s a red flag. Either the system is very weak or there’s something wrong with the formula. It turns out both were true.
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by cmathewson on Aug 18, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's looksee Plouffe and Tolleson.
Both trevor and Tolleson could be utility guys (assuming Punto isn’t) next season, so time the Twins take a gander.
Which would mean Harris is expendable. Imagine Tolbert is already on his alst legs with the organization.
Anyone think Toby gardenhire will eventually egt a shot as an utility infielder?
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by rosterman on Aug 17, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gardenhire, Jr.
I imagine there’d be a few more “Fire Gardy” posts if Toby Gardenhire takes a spot on the roster.
by Mike I on Aug 17, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sloppy defense
Plouffe – 25 errors
Tolleson – 15 errors
Hughes – 20 errors
by benhertz on Aug 17, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chances?
Plouffe has played every day at short. Tolleson has been moved around but wpent a lot of games in the outfield. Hughes also has moved around but missed a couple of months of the season. So my guess is Plouffe had at least double the chances of the other two.
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by cmathewson on Aug 17, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slama and Delaney
just got their asses handed to them vs Syracuse, today.
Slama – 1.2 IP, 5 ER
Delaney – 0.0 IP, 6 ER
by benhertz on Aug 17, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly.........
The Twins had sent some bottled water from the Metrodome to the Red Wings for the weekend, and these two guys took some sips.
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by rosterman on Aug 17, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They both pitched...
…1 inning yesterday against the same team. Each pitcher gave up a hit, no runs and had 1 strikeout. Guess we can hope this is only an off day…but Slama’s ERA will be ridiculous for awhile.
by roger13 on Aug 17, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Macri
Looks like macri, who ahd a .324 batting average in the majors with the Twins, was the odd man out with the Humber call-up. Sadly it wasn’t Gabino…someone the Twins do need a good looksee at! But they will stick with Humber, again, as Smith ahs t make the Santana trade show some value. Maybe Humber will shone and be the long-man needed in 2010 (battling, again, with ABoof) or increase his tradebait value for the off-season. Hummmm…if the Twins packaged Young, Humber, Harris and Pridie, what could they get? A Garza, Bartlett and minor league guy to be named later?
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by rosterman on Aug 19, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The reason it wasn't Gabino is he pitched seven innings Sunday
He’s not available until Friday at the earliest. He’ll get the call when the next opening comes, which might be this week the way this staff is going.
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by cmathewson on Aug 19, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Macri has never been healthy enough to play a full season
Injuries have stalled his development and probably ruined his chance at an MLB career, even as a backup
by DJL44 on Aug 19, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Twins part ways with Punto,
Macri could become the utility infielder.
by benhertz on Aug 19, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How good is Yohan Pino ?
Bobby Cuellar must be working his magic…..
though i must say, what is wrong with Pino’s profile Pic on milb.com’s site?
Pino – Gabino and Delaney …. time to call-up and see what we got…
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