Liriano's Grievance

by ajblobaum on Aug 19, 2009 4:14 AM EDT Comment 9 comments

Royals fan here. We just sent Gordon to the minors because of service time and to get an extra year of gordon. Does anyone on here know what the outcome of Liriano's grievance against the Twins was? Did he receive any sort of monetary compensation or additional service time? I googled it and couldn't find any articles published on the matter since last September. Thus, I decided to try coming straight to some folks who might have some knowledge of the situation.

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I haven't heard anything

Admittedly, I’m a bit out of the loop (I’m not a Twin Cities resident, so I don’t read the local papers), but I have heard nothing since it was originally brought up – I don’t even know with certainty if the grievance was actually filed.

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by BeefMaster on Aug 19, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That is the great thing about the Internet...

…you no longer have to live somewhere to keep up on the local news.

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by Johnny Safron on Aug 19, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but...

I don’t care about the Twin Cities’ local news. I just care about the Twins and Vikes, and I generally figure that the odds are pretty low that something important would happen and the blogs would miss it but I’d manage to catch it by adding yet another media outlet to my already-too-crowded daily browsing.

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by BeefMaster on Aug 19, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

AFAIK IIRC

He never ended up filing a grievance vs MN. They looked into filing one. They investigated the matter. They cried and barked about it and threatened it. But never filed one. (I think)

All the talk of a grievance happened around July 18. Liriano made a start for the Twins on Aug 3, so he was called up a few weeks after the talk started.

He didn’t really have a case anyway. By most accounts he would have missed being a Super Two in any defensible logical time frame the Twins would have considered calling him up.

by ajmargarine on Aug 19, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Now........

What kind of an arbitration salary would you give a guy who is 5-12 with a near 6.00 ERA and shuts himself down because of arm fatigure.

Between Liriano and Pekins, this winter’s arbitration looks interesting.

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by rosterman on Aug 19, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well

whatever arbitration pay would be, it would be greater than the forced pay of serfdom. Liriano’s not gonna get huge dollars but he should get a nice pay bump. He’s 24-21 career, 4.11 ERA and has already been an all-star.

by ajmargarine on Aug 19, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Arbitration only makes guys money when they're good

Playing poorly in the serf years only drives down the price during the arbitration years. I don’t see how gaining a few days of service time changes his expected arbitration payout.

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by cmathewson on Aug 20, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

To an extent, I guess

If you’re referring to Gordon, I don’t think they’re sending him down to decrease his arbitration payout, but to buy an extra year before he hits free agency. Anyway, though, arbitration figures will still be more than serfdom – you don’t often see a guy get much less than 800k in his first year of arbitration.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Aug 20, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody cares if you pay a good player $1 million a year

It’s the Howard and Soriano arbitration contracts that you worry about.

But I get your point about free agency. Still, if I were a Royals fan, I wouldn’t be pleased. This time of year if your out of the race, you want to see the future stars developing at the majors. I wonder how moves like this affect attendance and fan loyalty.

It’s like I said to my old boss: Every time you cut the budget, you reduce our ability to get revenue. Sure enough, he laid me off and the company went under. But that’s another story.

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by cmathewson on Aug 20, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs