Twins Waiver Deadline Open Thread
by Jesse on Aug 31, 2009 8:38 AM EDT
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8:32 am -- Nothing deadline specific, but here's some fresh morning breakfast links...
- Good ol' Charley Walters thinks that Delmon Young's recent success at the plate will make him easier to trade this winter, and says the Twins haven't approached Mike Redmond about returning next season. So, non-news. How does non-news get printed? And why do I insist on talking about non-news?
- More rubbish: Sid Hartman says the Twins won't extend their impending free agents during the season. Sigh. Although this is related to both of these bullet points: Redmond wants to stay in Minnesota.
- The Twins have picked up Bert Blyleven's option for 2010. In the broadcast booth, of course.
- I'm just impatient. I want Rich Harden, as long as he gets an extension. It's a waste of talent otherwise.
7:38 am -- Deadline is in just over four hours, although last minute deals will probably be allowed to go through. Here's just a few updates since last night.
- From LEN III's update late last night, he hasn't had any word from the Twins in regards to their alleged claims on Rich Harden or Brad Penny, but he does say this: "Indications on Sunday were that the Twins were looking into trades involving pitchers other than Penny and Harden."
- This has been covered in the commets of our weekend notes, but Phil Rogers thinks Bill Smith will wake up this morning feelin' lucky.
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I hope so
This is our starting staff going into this series
Blackburn 4.29 vs Gavin Floyd 3.95
Manship 5.14 vs. John Danks 3.82
Duensing 4.37 vs. Buehrle 3.89
Yikes.
by clutterheart on Aug 31, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ish!
With the way Blackburn has been pitching, the first game is lost. Manship could surprise us but I dont think the Twins bats have done well vs Danks in the past – second game: lost.
Third game depends on which Buehrle shows up – the dominant one, or the loveable one. Duensing could once again surprise….Manship and Duensing I can see the Sox having trouble with, not really having seen much of them before. First two games – lost..final game – win/lose
Get starting rotation help now!!!
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by 33MorneauMVP on Aug 31, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about 2 losses...
The Sox seem to shoot themselves in the foot every time they enter the Dome. For whatever reason, they just don’t play that well here (which is really ok!). I think we’ll take at least 2 of 3, if not a sweep: keep in mind they haven’t been playing that well lately either.
Though I will admit the 3 pitchers we’re throwing out there make me
by fischean on Aug 31, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walters and Hartman
Victims of three realities:
- They have to print 20 column inches three times a week
- They favor writing numerous short items over one long item (easier, allows them to drop more names in one column)
- They are often too lazy to fully research half of the short items they publish
The result is a lot of blind speculation and non-news. Once in a while, they get a scoop. Once in a blue moon Walters will write a longer interview and forgo the tedious one liners. They are what they are. On the plus side, this is what passes for sports journalism in most towns in this country.
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by cmathewson on Aug 31, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scoop?
When is the last time either had a scoop?
by clutterheart on Aug 31, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last I remember was Favre
Walters got the scoop on Favre before anyone talked about it.
His biggest scoop was contraction. HE was publishing notes about contraction a full month before the MLB talked about it.
Of the two, Walters gets way more scoops than Hartman. Hartman is either Mr. Obvious or Mr. Wrong.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Aug 31, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valencia
Gardenhire says the magic words…have to clear a roster spot. I guess the Twins won’t let go of Matt Tolbert, Brian Buscher, Jason pridie, drew Butera or Luke Hughes until the off-season.
Yes, Valencia is a rookie. But even sitting on the bench is exposure to the major league life and an occasional appearance would be better than sitting home and watching the television.
I would think the Twins would like to see Steve Tolleson and Trevor Plouffe in some capacity, as both will be in spring training, which is more than one can say for the supposed call-ups.
Yes, you have to pay almost a month of major elague salary, hotel rooms, meal money to call-ups. The Twins are, supposedly, in a pennant race.
But is there anything wrong having a bullpen of 10-11 pitchers (besides starters) and an actual bench of 5-6-7 guys. If you have a lead, you can shuffle in the B-squad, not just on those afternoons that Gardy seems to enjoy doing anyways.
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by rosterman on Aug 31, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
- why bring back mike redmond? sure he’s interested in staying, but i really think his career as a player is over. maybe a coaching position would be in order?
- do what you have to do to get harden in here and signed. we need an ace type guy, and personally i think taking the pressure off of baker and blackburn to be that ace could be just the thing they need to come back to life. i’d say give liriano one more shot, but keep one of those young guys in the wings just in case. (swarzak?) it’s often the 3rd year back from tommy john that guys make their real comeback. this would be a nice rotation, imo….
harden, slowey, baker, blackburn, liriano
by jboone on Aug 31, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Cubs fans are also discussing this at Bleed Cubbie Blue.
by chilango2 on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs fan - My 2 cents on Harden
As a Cubs fan, my 2 cents on Harden is this -
a) Cubs are only 4 out in the loss column (for the WC). While my gut says it’s unlikely, we’re not dead in the water yet.
b) Harden’s Type A factors into all this. The Cubs system has improved a lot within this past year. The Twins system is on a bit of a downswing right now, relative to recent history. Certainly, it’s a 5 week rental as of now, but you guys have the need and the Cubs have Type A to fall back on. Short of it is, me personally, I don’t think the Cubs should do a deal without at least netting one of Revere, Bromberg, Robertson, Hicks (probably in that order of preference for me). Tosoni/Valencia/Ramos/Parmalee/Hermsen and others all hold interest, but for various reasons, I’m lukewarm on adding them to the system. Otherwise, it doesn’t make much sense for the Cubs. We have enough young righty late inning pen arm types in the bigs right now, with a few in the minors. I’m just not sold Bill Smith forks over one of those 4 guys, and thus, I’m not a fan of a deal. If he does agree, then I’d be more inclined to like it.
That said, the only person’s opinion that matters is Jim Hendry.
by toonsterwu on Aug 31, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Revere
Yes please.
Especially if Harden would sign an extension.
by clutterheart on Aug 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Revere
Yes Please
Especially if we sign Harden to an extension
by clutterheart on Aug 31, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if we sign him to an extension
A year ago Revere was untouchable, now because he’s still showing no power but not flirting with .400 we trade him for a 5 week rental? No way in hell. I know we’d likely get two draft picks but I think Revere has way too much talent to give up on. I’d trade him for Harden with an extension but otherwise, no way.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Aug 31, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Revere is a top of the order/bottom of the order candidate in the Twins lineup. Revere has excellent speed, demonstrated by his 48 steals, and puts the bat on the ball. Revere is probably, besides Hicks, the greatest fielding prospect the Twins have in their system right now. I would not trade him for a 5 week rental, and I would be wary of giving him up even if we could sign Harden to an extension. The reason for me being wary is because Harden gets injured at least once a year…sooner or later, that is going to bite.
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by 33MorneauMVP on Aug 31, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's basically Revere for a first rounder and a sandwich plus a month of Harden
I’d take it. I’d be surprised if the Cubs would, though. They’d probably want Revere and, say, Benson or Rams.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Aug 31, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best thing for Mike Redmond...
…is to stay with the twins, as an on-field, but not playing, entity. From all accounts, he is beloved by his teammates, and fans like his attitude and enthusiasm. Perhaps it is time for Scotty Ullger to get a AAA team to manage, Jerry White moves to third base coaching box, and Red-dog is yelling things like “You don’t make it to two you are eating a pound of dirt” from the first base coaching box. Then we get ol’ 55 on the field, doing what he really does best…motivating players.
by mbennett on Aug 31, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be the best thing for Reddawg
although White is the first base coach and defensive aligner…I do agree that Redmond’s playing days are over after this year, but he should be brought back (maybe even at the cost of a bench spot) purely as encourager/pitching coach/veteran leader/naked batting practice/etc.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
by 33MorneauMVP on Aug 31, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Lundie...
…being it is nearly 5:00pm over there, do you have any news to report from “the future?”
by mbennett on Aug 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry bud.
It’s almost 9:30 pm now, the deadline long past, and I’ve seen nothing in my crystal ball of a timezone…
by Jesse on Aug 31, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game Over.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=4434155
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by Andersklasen on Aug 31, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, big surprise there...
NAAAAWWWWWWWWWTT!
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by AdamOnFirst on Aug 31, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My god...The Front Office Shows us a glimmer of hope that they are willing to spend money
Then outta nowhere the channel lock goes back on the old wallet..ARGH!
by TonyO on Aug 31, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Harden's medical records
According to Joe C. this morning, the Twins never even requested Harden’s medical records from the Cubs. Link here.
I wonder how much we really tried to make a deal there. Between the Cubs’ asking price and the cost associated with signing Harden beyond this year, I would not be surprised if the Twins claimed him to keep him away from the White Sox and possibly even leaked the claim to make it appear to Mauer and others that we’re serious about making an upgrade.
by Adam Peterson on Aug 31, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't say I know anything about waivers and medical records but...
According to a comment on MLB Trade Rumors , when a team puts a player on waivers they guarantee his health. Then, if a pre-existing injury is revealed, the players goes back to their original teams. So if that comment is right, the Twins could have been serious about Harden without requesting his medical records (though I still think it’s more likely that they would ask for his records).
Again, I know nothing about waivers, so I’m just going off another guy’s comment. But it would make more sense to me that the Twins were at least trying for Harden in good faith, even if nothing worked out.
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Aug 31, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Penny
to be signed by the Giants according to MLB Trade Rumors. Can you imagine that Giants rotation? Lincecum, Cain, Penny, Zito, Sanchez..I believe that is the best rotation in baseball.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett
by 33MorneauMVP on Aug 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
probably the best
rotation even before Penny.
He is smart to go to SF, great pitcher’s park + the NL.
by guinness junky on Aug 31, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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