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The Twins have bullpen help waiting on the farm


The Twins failed to upgrade their bullpen before the trading deadline and then the Angels came to town and showed them how very silly that was. According to General Manager Bill Smith, everyone wanted to "turn Larry Anderson into Jeff Bagwell," meaning they were asking for ridiculous deals knowing how desperate other GMs were. Still, the Rockies managed to land Joe Beimel and Rafael Betancourt for next to nothing. WTF?

Who knows? Anyway, If it was hard to get a reliever by trade before the deadline, it's nearly impossible now. Teams have to pass the player through waivers before trading them at this point. Given the number of clubs looking for relief help, quality relievers are not likely to clear waivers. Teams can put a claim on a reliever and attempt to acquire him from the other team. But that maneuver is rarely pulled off. Bottom line: If the Twins want to upgrade their bullpen (AND THEY HAD BETTER UPGRADE THEIR BULLPEN), they'll have to look within.

Star-divide

The first question is, how many arms do they need? The answer is not all that encouraging. Now, I'm pretty sure the Twins can scare up an upgrade for one of the pitching machines we call a reliever out there. But when you have four such pitchers, it's a little tough. OK, that's a bit harsh. Joe Nathan, Matt Guerrier and Jose Mijares are all having very good seasons. But it seems like no matter who the Twins stick into the other four spots, they can't cut it.

  • R. A. Dickey is the closest thing to a competent reliever after the big three. He's had his moments, but he simply can't get people out when he comes in with guys on base. I'm pretty sure that's a problem for a middle reliever. It works OK for the long man, though. So he can stay, as long as he is not used in any role outside of mop-up.
  • Brian Duensing is a rookie who's never really done a whole lot of relieving, so he's a spot starter/long man as well. Manager Ron Gardenhire is reluctant to use him in high-leverage situations anyway. If he stays, he stays out of the seventh and eighth innings. The problem is, if the Twins need two long men, they probably won't be in the race anyway. Ideally you would upgrade Duensing for a quality short reliever, preferably a lefty. BTW, How's that Craig Breslow guy doing? You don't want to know.
  • Jesse Crain was once a very promising prospect who had a couple of very good years for the Twins in 2005 and 2006. Then he got hurt in 2007 and tried to pitch through it with so-so results, before getting shut down. After labrum and rotator cuff surgery in 2007, he attempted to come back early last year and, all things considered, had a decent year. Many of us, me included, thought he would be even better this year, one more year removed from surgery. Our hopes grew higher when he was the closer for team Canada in the WBC: He dominated. So we thought he had returned to the pitcher he promised to be when he came up: A closer in waiting.

    It is no exagerration to say the Jesse Crain is the biggest disappointment on the Twins this year, especially after his performance in the WBC. He has been thoroughly terrible. So bad, the Twins actually sent him down to help him work through some mechanical issues. And he pitched decently down in Rochester. But since his return from the minors, he's been a Crain train wreck. Actually, I looked at the numbers again, and it seems he is just as bad now as he was t before the demotion. His OPS against prior to the demotion was .900. After the promotion: .903. Just to pile it on, his ERA for the year is 7.5. His WHIP is 1.88. It is difficult to stress just how bad he has been. On the plus side, his FIP is 5.10. Still, I think it's time to start looking for someone, anyone, to replace him.
  • Bobby Keppel is a journeyman who has never had much success in baseball, until this year, when he developed a power sinker and tore through AAA on the way to an improbable call-up. Even more improbable were his first half dozen outings in the show, when he was unhittable. Hitter after hitter would swing at the power sinker and pound the ball into the ground. Then something happened: They stopped swinging at the sinker. It started on the road trip in Oakland, and has continued since. The thing is, it isn't typically a strike when it crosses the plate. It's typically low. So if hitters simply lay off the pitch, as the A's and Angels have done over the last 14 days, they take their walks until he's forced to bring the sinker up. And you all know that story (see Silva, Carlos). The other problem is, Keppel has no other pitch. His slider is more of a hanging cutter. He has no change, no curve. Watching him on the mound, it is obvious that he will not get many more major league hitters out. He needs to go away and be replaced by someone who has more than one pitch and can throw strikes. The sooner the better.

So the Twins need at least two relievers, preferably three. Unfortunately, there aren't any lefties down on the farm who can get guys out in the majors. So we're stuck with two long men (Dickey and Duensing) and a desperate need for two more set-up guys. The way the season is going, they might as well bring two up now, throw them against the wall, and hope they stick. Here are the guys I would consider, in order:

  • Juan Morillo was acquired off waivers from the Rockies earlier this year. He got a brief tryout that was so bad, he passed through waivers and was assigned to AAA. He's been working with Bobby Cuellar this whole time and is making good progress. His FIP in AAA is 2.77 behind an impressive K% of 31.3. To put that in context, he has 62 strikeouts in 45 innings. Fans who remember his brief tryout recall he threw in the upper 90s to 100, but he was wild. Well, his walk rate is still high--14.6%--but within a manageble level for a guy who throws so hard, you don't see it. (That might be part of the problem: Umpires can't call what they can't see.)

    The Twins could sure use his stuff and it wouldn't hurt them to give him an extended tryout for the rest of the year, knowing that they have no other option and their season is slipping away anyway. The only downside is he would need to be here to stay since he is out of options. It's worth the risk, though, because he is the only arm in the system capable of getting high-leverage outs, similar to what Mijares did last year.
  • Armando Gabino is a long-time farm hand who has slowly made his way to AAA. Despite his slow climb, the Twins thought enough of him to protect him from the Rule 5 draft in the off season by putting him on the 40-man roster. His numbers look good on the surface (2.78 ERA, 1.04 WHIP). But a deeper dive reveals that he mostly pitches to contact, as Keppel and Crain did in Rochester. HIs FIP is 4.04 behind a mediocre strikeout rate of 14.6 %. But he doesn't walk a lot of guys (7.1% BB rate), so he might actually be favored by Twins staff over Morillo. At this point I say, give him a shot. He can't be any worse than Crain or Keppel.
  • Rob Delaney is the popular choice of the blogosophere, due to his meteoric rise through the system. He started this year strong in AA, with a 1.85 FIP behind a 28% K rate and a minuscule walk rate (4.2%) in New Britain. Since his promotion to Rochester, he has struggled, somewhat, however. His K rate has plunged (18.8%), his rate has doubled, leading to a FIP of 4.29. Still, his other numbers (3.45 ERA, 1.14 WHIP) have been good enough to warrant consideration should Morillo or Gabino fail. Even if they don't fail, I'd like to see him in September.
  • Anthony Slama is the other side of the Dynamic Duo that the blogosphere dreams about. He too has had a storied minor league career, earning the Minor League Pitcher of the Year award last year, among others. But, for some reason, he has not been promoted to AAA this year. Why? I don't know. His numbers are very good: He has a 3.0 FIP behind a 33.7% K rate and a somewhat high 12% walk rate. I guess they might be keeping him at AA because  of the walks, given how important free passes are to this organization. But his numbers suggest he can cut it at the major league level, and he should get his chance to shine this September, whether or not they promote him to Rochester.

The season is nearly lost. The Twins must do something now, and that something is giving some of these talented relief prospects a chance to help this team to the playoffs. If they don't help, at least we know more about them for next year.

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Bill Smith is full of crap

Helpful bullpen arms are available all the time at low cost, he just has no idea how to get them.

It’s not getting any better. If the starters don’t turn around, it’s a moot point anyway, but this team is getting any more substantial help, even if it’s available out there on waivers.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
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by AdamOnFirst on Aug 4, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed

He was not a scout, wasn’t involved in player development and he basically was the contract guy who crunched numbers. He has even said he is not a scout and has to have scouting meetings to figure out if a player was any good. I can’t understand how he got the job.

Maybe he holds naked pictures of the Pollahds….

by clutterheart on Aug 4, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

rather have a GM who can crunch numbers, understand complicated K's,

weigh pros and cons of delicate decisions/finances and have an understanding of organizational goals while not knowing a thing about baseball talent, than a GM who “understands” player talent – say an Omar Minaya, or a Ron Gardenhire but knows nothing about the finer points of organizational management.

The Twins supposedly have a great scouting system, and Tom Kelly as a special adviser to the GM for player talent. Being a “scout” or an evaluater of individual talent is anice attribute, but one of the least important ones (all things considered) for a GM.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 4, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't need to be a former scout to be a good GM

The Twins have four more scouts now who advise the GM than they had with Ryan, who was more autocratic. I just think BS is too risk averse. And our own scouts—who draft, sign, and help develop our players—rate our own players higher than other teams do. So it’s just really hard to make a trade the way the current FO is structured.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 4, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

perhaps the Delmon Young deal has made him risk adverse

That deal was definitely a calculated gamble and it hasn’t turned out well.

by BD57 on Aug 4, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Bill Smith never heard of the word...

“Counter-offer?”

Of course they ask for those guys. You laugh politely, make it clear that’s not happening, and then give them a list of guys are willing to move for said player. The Cubs got John Grabow and Tom Gorzellaney from PITT for the equivalent of Kevin Mulvey and a couple of nobodies from A Ball. You can’t tell me BS (a very appropriate set of initials) couldn’t have beaten that.

But by all means Bill, keep feeding us your tired “They wanted our top prospects” line at this time every year for every non-deal. That old chestnut never gets old…

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Aug 4, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

He’s passed on a lot of winnable trades. DeRosa was an obvious one, but there are dozens.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 4, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

For as long as i can remember all I’ve heard is pitching and defense, so why don’t we go for that at the trade deadline? Yea, we all know the M&M’s were begging for help but that doesn’t necessarily mean offensively! Surprisingly, we have had well above average offensive stats this year yet in the one year we make a deadline deal sense Shannon Steward we make an offensive trade. Why, why, why?!?! Anyone who watches the Twins once a week could see what we need and that is what we’ve preached for over 10 years.

by twinsfan04 on Aug 4, 2009 3:07 AM EDT reply actions  

offense

We have two of the better hitters in the game, a decent player in Kubel, an OK player in Cuddy and a power only threat in Crede.
Compared to years past we are the yankees.

Its the lousy pitching! I think everyone (at least me) overrated our starters, but if we had a decent bullpen we could hide their inconsistancy.

by clutterheart on Aug 4, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but

prior to the deadline, we needed middle-infield help just as much. (See comments regarding Punto and Casilla) The Angels bats made the bullpen problem more glaring.

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by FoulJack on Aug 4, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

It's hard to make more than one move

And I thought middle infield was the most glaring need prior to the deadline, considering that the Punto/Casilla duo is the worst in Twins history, by the numbers. So I don’t really fault Smith so much. I just think they need to cut bait on Keppel and Crain and bring up guys who have a chance.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 4, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

worst in history...

I wouldn’t have thought that we could do worse than Rivas/Guzman, but these guys are indeed quite a bit worse.

by DavidRF on Aug 4, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rivas/Guzman

was a good combo. They were not bad until they decided to stop playing, and we all know when that was. Guzman still remains as one of the better hitting SS in the Major Leagues, when he can stay healthy.

by BCTwins on Aug 4, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's tough to get worse than 29/61 OPS+ combo

In their worst year, the Guzman/Rivas combo was 68/81

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by cmathewson on Aug 4, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

Both were at or below replacement level. It’s a testament to how bed it is now, though, that both guys are several runs below replacement level.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 4, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relief pitchers

are usually the least expensive players to trade for (overall, and all other factors being equal) but if there is a fairly large demand, – and I think there might have been – the price is going to go up. Especially within a division when there are more than two teams trying to wheel and deal, like we had with the Sox Tigers and Twins all vying for pitching help, the price goes up.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 4, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Acquisition vs Development

I agree that at the trading deadline, these guys are expensive and “proven veteran” relievers carry a high price tag.

On the other hand, what this organization has excelled at over the years is creating a great bullpen out of organizational spare parts. We’ve never paid top-dollar for an A-list reliever in decades and we’ve generally had great bullpens. I don’t know what’s wrong the past season… if Anderson’s magic is gone or if we’ve hit a dry spot converting failed starters into ace relievers or what.

I’m skeptical about acquiring veteran middle relief though. These guys have usually peaked before they hit the trade/FA market and I just don’t think it usually works out unless your payroll is so large that you’re willing to accept high fail rates.

by DavidRF on Aug 4, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

The fact that guys like Juan Cruz are type A free agents indicates to me that they are typically too expensive as free agents. The Matt Guerrier model works pretty well for this org, and I wouldn’t change it because of the current dry spell, especially since we are very close to having a surplus of good relievers. When Neshek and Bonser get back and Slama and Delaney are ready, people will say “how do we fit everyone who deserves to be here on the roster?”

The organization thought they had found a couple of Guerrier-style diamonds in the rough with Keppel and Henn. And, initially, it seemed that way. But the pace of advance scouting is quickening or something because it didn’t take the league long to figure these guys out and expose their weaknesses. My sense is that guys like Guerrier, who have good enough secondary pitches to stay one step ahead of the scouts, are relatively rare. We certainly can’t rely on them anymore. We have to develop relievers from within, which is perhaps why two out of their top four draft choices this year are college relievers.

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by cmathewson on Aug 4, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This post,

Makes a whole lotta sense. I like the thought of our bullpen next year.

I do wish we would have signed a decent veteran arm in the offseason. Someone besides Ayala.

by PurplePeopleEaters on Aug 4, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not certain Henn...

…didn’t lose his edge because of an injury. He wasn’t back at Rochester more than a week or so and he was on the DL. I also don’t think we can automatically assume that Pat will be back next year and pitching like he did before the injury. I sure hope he will be, but I think counting on him is a mistake…like was made this year with Crain.

As for guys coming up from the minors, I agree that Gabino, Delaney, Slama probably wouldn’t do worse than several of the guys up here…and I would bet that one of Slama/Delaney will be a very good big league reliever, if not both. I think the next special reliever from the minors just might be Alex Burnett, and he won’t be here before Sept, 2010 at the earliest.

by roger13 on Aug 4, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Failed starters...

What we have to be on the lookout for is that many of our more reliable relievers are basically failed starters. Guerrier, Rincon, Hawkins… none of the current group of AAAA guys (Humber, Mulvey, Duensing) has been that effective in relief either. Middle relief is supposed to be a bit easier than starting.

by DavidRF on Aug 4, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Don’t forget Joe Nathan and Rick Aguilera.

I wonder if it’s possible that the guys you mentioned could have become competent relievers after some more time to get acclimated to relief pitching. I noticed that the guys cmathewson mentioned as potential saviors are guys who have been relievers in the minors. While that’s fine (Crain and Neshek were brought up as relievers), I wonder if some of the failed-starter types fall through the cracks because they don’t get much of a chance to prove themselves in the bullpen.

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by BeefMaster on Aug 4, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

We didn't see the mythical mid-90s fastball

So perhaps he got hurt early on and tried to pitch through it.

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by cmathewson on Aug 4, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

How do you spell relief......

You can always shuffle bodies thru the bullpen. Their newness might just work (Keppel) or not (Mulvey).

Speaking of Mulvey, 1.1 innings is ahrdly a chance. He’s still on the Twins radar, and should be more receptive when he next returns.

I say give Gabino a shot. Otherwise, why is he on the 40-man.

Delany and Slama each need to be added to the 40-man. Somehow, I picture the Twins not wanting to do this until they have to for the next season. Options and service time seem to be issues, often, in Twinkie-land. So the choices are Gabino or Mulvey right now. The Twins can always re-add Humber, Henn, maybe Rule 5 Jones with the hope of seeing a little effort that will make them tradable rather than protectable come the fall. Otehrwise, all these “Rochester” pitchers will be able to take a hike (Lahey, Morillo, et al) come the post season.

Yes, relief pitchers are quite tradable. They tend not to get long-term contracts, or even major contracts. The Twins will be forced to consider such things for not only Guerrier, but also Crain, Boof and maybe Neshek come the fall.

Dickey is great for what he does, but Duensing is a duplicate Dickey who can actually pitch with guys on abse. The pain about Dickey is that his knuckle is his gravey pitch and you can’t throw it with a guy on third. Wise the Twins ahd dangled him before the trading deadline themselves and his horrid past few outings.

So, Gambino and Mulvey are still in line. I picture them re-adding Humber or Morillo before giving a shot to anyone not on the current 40-man.

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by rosterman on Aug 5, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

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