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Carlos Gomez and Joe Mauer led the offense and Scott Baker provided seven shutout innings to pace the Twins past the hapless Tribe at Progressive Field in Cleveland.

The Twins needed this one after getting drubbed at home at the hands of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim by a combined score of 54-14 over the weekend. Outs were hard to come by in that series, so each inning Baker put up a zero acted like a salve on a wounded team.  True, the Indians might as well be a AAA team and the Angels belong in a league of their own. But I'm sure the players felt good to actually get into the dugout without sitting out there for a half hour per half inning.

Whether or not the short half innings in the field had any effect, as the game went along, the Twins bats seemed to get more life. Jason Kubel started the scoring in the second with his 19th homer and Carlos Gomez added an RBI single in the same inning to stake Baker to a lead. The Twins broke the game open in the fifth, batting around on successive RBI doubles by Orlando Cabrera and Mauer, and a three-run homer by Gomez. 

Every Twin except Nick Punto had at least one hit. Mauer had three doubles. Gomez had three hits including the homer and a double. Cabrera added two doubles. Justin Morneau, Kubel and Delmon Young all contributed two hits to the balanced attack.

Jesse Crain pitched a scoreless eighth, consistently registering in the upper 90s and really challenging hitters. Gone were the nibbling sinker-ball ways he featured when he first came back from the minors. Very much present was his knee-buckling curve ball. Hopefully, this is an outing he can build on. Bobby Keppel had an adventurous ninth and escaped on a double play after surrendering two hits, a walk and the only Indians run in his inning of work. In contrast to Crain, that was definitely one he'll want to forget, just like all his outings the last two weeks.

Star-divide

Studs:

1. Scott Baker: He had all his pitches working. He worked quickly and attacked the strike zone.

2. Carlos Gomez: The talk of the last half of the game was his being a triple short of the cycle. Alas, he was left on the on-deck circle. He also added a great catch and four RBI.

3. Joe Mauer: Three doubles, two to left, one down the right field line. How do you pitch to this guy?

HM: Orlando Cabrera: He had eight put outs and two doubles. Shades of Shannon Stewart in 2004.

 

Duds:

Nick Punto: He eneded the second, fourth and fifth innings with weak at bats. The rest of the team was pounding the ball and he looked feeble.

Jensen Lewis: Gomez hit the first pitch he saw from Lewis into the left-field bleachers for a three-run bomb. That wasn't the only hard-hit ball he gave up. Mauer and Morneau played pepper against the left field wall in the following inning against him.

David Huff: It's a long way down for Indians' fans from CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee.

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The Indians certainly aren't the Angels

But a win is a win

Good see the lineup(except for Punto) get some hits

seems like forever since we’ve seen a good start from a starter

by Hjorvarthr on Aug 4, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

crain and kepel

we’ve seen this before with crain and that’s why we can’t give up hope. he’ll come in with a comfortable lead and just to one thing: attack. the combination of his upper 90s fastball, knee buckling curve ball and vicious upper 80s slider should be yielding better results on a more consistent basis. I really do think with him its mostly about confidence and attitude. once in awhile though even the crappiest of hitters will get ahold of those admitedly straight fastballs and put it over the fence. then the nibbling starts, then the close pitches called balls, then the hitters counts… well you get the idea. if he can act on the mound like he did tonight all the time, the twins would have another true set up man.

can the kepel experiment be over now? too many of our relievers are trying to get it done by pitching to contact. too much room for error… its time to bring sexy back (ie the strikeout, ie what we’ve been missing since knee-shakers injury). its time for the morillo and slama too.

thanks bs!

Gardenhire's major league career: Banjo hitting, futility infielder who couldn't lick it.
Rick Anderson's major league career: Strikethrower who never made it happen with his sub 90's fastball.
Really gives a new definition to living vicariously through other people, don't it?

by caseintheface on Aug 4, 2009 11:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

White Sox beat LAA

so much for Twins fans trying to console themselves with statements like, the LAA’s are world beaters, world series winners and in a “whole ’nother level” by themselves…

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 4, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

think the White Sox

took a weekend series from the Yankee’s also. man, let Gomez play! Cabrera seems to be a very positive influence…maybe Gardy has to improve on his Spanish….

by justintime on Aug 5, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems like

half the bullpen should be driven to the mound in a clown car when entering the game.

Otherwise, nice game. It is the Indians, but you at least have to beat the teams you should beat.

by guinness junky on Aug 5, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Whoopee!!!!!

We may be good enough to win the Central. Then what happens? We play the Yankees, Red Sox, or Angels. Combined record against current playoff teams: 6 – 17.

Oh, and by the way, 3 of those wins were a sweep against the Angels at the beginning of the season when they were in mourning for Nick Adenhart. Our real record against playoff teams is 3-17. Who gives a crap if we make the playoffs just to get our ass kicked?

I hate the White Sox, but at least they don’t curl up in the fetal position like the Twins when they face these teams Their record so far against said teams: 6-2.. Thoughts???

"I'm gonna make you cry...I'm gonna make you cry and dip my cookie in your tears!!!"

by mutleyil on Aug 5, 2009 2:52 AM EDT reply actions  

The only positive is we need fewer pitchers in the playoffs

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 5, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Count me in

It’s three more games of baseball. It’s another division title banner to put up in the new stadium. And at the risk of sounding a bit like Joe Morgan here, you don’t play the games on a computer, so anything can happen, even if it’s not likely.

If the Twins win the division, it’s likely that they’d end up with a better record than the ’87 team, and that turned out okay in the postseason.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Aug 5, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

My thought is

You’re a flamer and an idiot. Making the playoffs in baseball is a huge accomplishment, no matter what happens once you get there.

by matswilander on Aug 5, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if the Twins don’t make it past the first round of playoffs, they at least made it to the playoffs, against many many odds.

I know it’s not much, but when you have the team we have, you accept mediocrity and move on to next year, which is hopefully a better one.

Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. -Bull Durham

by fischean on Aug 5, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how you can discount the 3 games early in the season against the Angels, when they were playing poorly, and yet count the latest three, when they were playing well.

by JonathanR on Aug 5, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

As far as the Angels and yankees series go

The Twins seemed to beat themselves as much as get beaten on the field. They get flustered this year against big name teams. I don’t know why. It’s tough to be a Twins fan sometimes, but…

The Twins lost by only 1 point in every game that series against the evil empire last May. The Angels still had Torii last April and were still a good team then, Adenhart or not. Twins played really well and won, swept even.

I’ll definitely buy tickets if the Twins make the playoffs! After all, the Twins are MY team!

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Adenhart caveat is nonsense

Angels took two of three from the Red Sox right after it happened and they took two of three from the Tigers right after the Twins series.

You might as well rig the numbers and say the Twins are 0-17 in games against playoff teams in which they’ve lost.

The problem with the Twins throughout the entire 2000s is that they buy into the hype that you have to play differently to beat the top-tier teams. They treat every plate appearance as if it was the ninth inning of a game seven and this tight play only serves to magnify any talent disparity that exists. This isn’t football where the top teams only lose when there’s an upset, the top teams lose 60+ teams every year… but you’d never know that from watching the Twins play against them.

by DavidRF on Aug 5, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

some of us

are just better Twins fans than others. Baseball is baseball and nothing is for granted. The Indians could come back and win the division for all we know. Highly unlikely, but that is baseball. Twins could absolutely wallop every team from here on out. Its baseball not football…

Obviously, some of us are better Twins fans than others cause we will actually go see our boys in the playoffs while others will grouse around at home and say: “What was the point of going to the playoffs cause they are going to lose in the first round anyways.”

Shows the fickleness of Twins fans sometimes….

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

by BCTwins on Aug 5, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fickle fans are the worst.

If you can’t love a team even when they suck, what’s the point? Half the fun is complaining about how bad you know your team is! :)

Strikeouts are boring - besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls. More democratic. -Bull Durham

by fischean on Aug 5, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a difference between being loyal...

and wasting your time and money on a team going nowhere.

by Sheldon on Aug 5, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

not only do I agree with Sheldon,

and disapprove of your scolding of others as if you are their mother, but I’m wondering why you stole less cowbell, mor-neau’s tagline?

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 5, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Punto sucks.

I wonder if he could hit .250 in triple A. Probably not. Last nights game was a pleasure to watch until Punto came up to bat. He is the worst everyday player ever.

Founding member of the Dick Jauron Fan Club.

by taskersd on Aug 5, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Whoa there...
[Punto] is the worst everyday player ever.

Alexi Casilla says hi.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Aug 5, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

difference here

Punto has had only one good year (2007) with the Twins. Before that, Punto was with the Phils and completely sucked there as well. So Punto has had a bad career not just a bad year. Casilla is having a bad year and probably just needs a change in scenery. Casilla is still young and athletic and can figure out what he is doing wrong and change it very quickly but he needs the right coach to do that.

In making these statements, you look at career numbers not just single season numbers. Casilla won the second base job easily last year and provided so much in the #2 hole. This year he is off (sophomore slump?) but can still turn it around. You do not evaluate a player based on one year, but look at the career of the player…otherwise, we would have said that Morneau was the worst everyday player ever back in 2004 when he took over from Mientz.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

by BCTwins on Aug 5, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Casilla career: BA: .241 OBP: .299 SLG: .307 OPS: .606 OPS+: 66

Punto career: BA: .247 OBP: .319 SLG: .324 OPS: .643 OPS+: 73

by guinness junky on Aug 5, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

how long

has Casilla been in the Major Leagues compared to Punto? There is the catch!

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

by BCTwins on Aug 5, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just posting the stats…you can come to your own conclusions. A lot of folks with say it takes 2000 ABs to get an idea of who the player is..

It will be interesting to see if Casilla gets it together, but his season has been putrid so far. Its not uncommon for players to have initial success until the league figures them out. The next step is for the player to adjust, which it doesnt look like Casilla has done.

by guinness junky on Aug 5, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not a stat genius like a lot of you guys...

and I know that Casilla’s stats are probably worse this year than Punto’s but, I don’t get that sick to my stomach feeling when Casilla is up. In fact, when Punto is up and there is a runner on first, I find myself hoping he strikes out so he doesn’t hit into a double play. At least with Casilla there is hope that he might get better. Punto is getting worse. Plus he is overpaid. If the twins wouldn’t have signed him this year for FOUR MILLION DOLLARS, nobody would have signed him.

Founding member of the Dick Jauron Fan Club.

by taskersd on Aug 5, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Casilla is still young and still can succeed really quite well, maybe not as well as Castillo, but still could be an average or adequate second baseman. However, I think his days as a Twin are numbered and rightly so. The Twins have given him a chance this year, and he has not responded.

Casilla, I am sure, will succeed in a different ballpark with a different team.

Punto’s days are over. His bat, which was always horrible, is even worse now and his fielding, which kept him in the big leagues for as long as it has, is dropping rapidly. A 2 year, $8 million contract for this guy has to be the worse contract ever for a Twin and for the GM, and I think Bill Smith is starting to realize this.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

by BCTwins on Aug 5, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure the deal was done

when Gardy told Smith ‘if LNP goes, then I go too" or Smith was just thinking of Arby’s when he signed the deal.

by caluofmn on Aug 5, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: difference here
Punto has had only one good year (2007) with the Twins. Before that, Punto was with the Phils and completely sucked there as well. So Punto has had a bad career not just a bad year.

Punto was terrible in 2007 – that was the year that he entered the season as the starting third baseman. I assume the “good year” you’re thinking of was 2006, when he took over at third after Batista was released and put up a decent offensive line, coupled with good defense. But he actually was just as good last year, if not better (roughly the same OPS, but higher OPS+, as offense was down across the league), albeit in fewer plate appearances. Heck, he was even better than Casilla last year offensively.

I’m not trying to say that Punto is some sort of great player, but he’s been demonstrably better than Casilla so far in his career, and in 2006 and 2008 he was a legitimately good player.

Casilla is still young and athletic and can figure out what he is doing wrong and change it very quickly but he needs the right coach to do that.

Luis Rivas says hi.

You do not evaluate a player based on one year, but look at the career of the player…otherwise, we would have said that Morneau was the worst everyday player ever back in 2004 when he took over from Mientz.

Morneau was awesome in 2004 – he hit 19 homers in a half season and led the team in slugging. He was crappy during a short-term callup in ’03, and not very good in his first full season in ’05, but ’04 was not a bad year for Morneau.

No one’s saying that you throw out career stats, or even minor league stats. The problem is that apart from his hot streak after his callup last year, there’s not much in his stats to suggest that we should be expecting much more from him. He’s got a .703 career OPS… in AAA. What am I missing that screams “greatness”, or even “competence”?

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Aug 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually Punto sucked in 2007

But he was good in 2006 and decent in 2008.

by Sheldon on Aug 5, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pioneer Press reporting that Liriano will not pitch tonight

Is it RA Dickey time?

At this point if Liriano can not go and needs a DL stint, should the Twins just shut him down for the season? It’s not like he has been great on the mound anyway. For his health and for some consistency I think the Twins need to bring the best guy up or out of the pen and make him a starter.

Once again the Baseball gods have kicked a 50 yard FG right into Bill Smith’s nads. Maybe OCab can pitch too? I hope there are some salvagable scraps on the waiver wire.

by caluofmn on Aug 5, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Cripes

I think at this point it’s probably advisable to put Liriano on the DL – they could retroactively push the move back almost the full 15 days, so he’d likely only have to miss one more start anyway, and it’d buy them an extra arm for a week or however long Liriano’s out.

How recently has Duensing pitched?

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Aug 5, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure he is the solution

but I also don’t know if there is anyone better to through out there… it’s moments like this that I marvel that the Twins are only 2 games back

by caluofmn on Aug 5, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Link?

I don’t see the news story.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 5, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

ummm that is really

quite interesting especially considering the Twins arent at the dome and arent playing the White Sox.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

by BCTwins on Aug 5, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's old

The PiPress is really bad about fresh content

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

egg on my face

sorry guys, teaches me to read more than the headline

by caluofmn on Aug 5, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn those internet rumors

someone should really do something about them.

by caluofmn on Aug 5, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya it will probably

be Duensing that will take the mound…not Dickey.

Now is the time to work out a trade for a starting pitcher…we can get by on inside help for our bullpen (Morillo/Gabino) at least for the time being. We desperately need a starting pitcher though right now. I was wondering just how Liriano was going to be and I also wanted Perkins to be sent to the pen which doesnt seem likely now. Maybe Duensing can take Perkins spot (Perkins to pen) and Davis/Garland/other takes Liriano’s.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

by BCTwins on Aug 5, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

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