Improving for 2010 (trades, etc)
I know that our focus is back to the Twins making the playoffs, which is exciting and all, but I'm still ready to plan ahead. I just think the Front Office should wait to do it until the offseason.
The following is my discussion of the Twins should improve themselves going forward, and it includes considering a pretty significant restructuring of the squat (i.e. the team should explore trading some top players)
First things first, what do we have:C - top catcher in the league, for 1 more year
1B - top tier
2B - unclear. Currently poor, potentially average, extremely cheap
SS - poor, expensive (Punto). On the other hand, we have an excellent, if expensive utility player.
3B - One decent prospect, very immature. Miscellaneous replacement level talent who could fight for a spot
OF - One good defensive, excellent OBP OF (Span), who can play anywhere. One excellent defensive, poor offensive CF. One poor defensive, unclear offensive corner (Young), one average offensive, decent power, average defense OF (Cuddyer), one very good DH who can pretend on defense (Kubel)
DH - one very good DH, who can sort of play OF (see above), a bunch of other people who can handle 30 games each (Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer, Young, possible additions next year at 3B), to keep them fresh.
Starters - who knows. I'm going with 1 front end starter (Baker), 2 middle rotation (Slowey, Blackburn), two good for innings back end rotation (Perkins, Bonser), and a bunch of mysteries (Liriano, Swarzak, Duensing, Manship).
Relief - again, who knows. I'm going with top end closer (Nathan), two average dependable late inning guys (Rauch, Mijares), a couple of average middle relief (Guerrier, Dickey, Crain), and some good long relief options (the entire Redwings squad, Dickey, Bonser). I'm not sure if we have Mahay next year or not.
To me, our positions of strength C, 1B, DH, low level OF prospects, and hopefully increasing revenue. We have a surplus of average OF talent. We are deficient at middle infield and all pitching. Our best in-house bet at 3B is very unproven. Also, our system is now relatively weak (it was already, but now subtract Pino, Mulvey, and Ladendorf).
My reaction is that the twins need to trade from their positions of strength to fill their holes.
Position of strength 1: OF / DH: The Twins should look to trade either Kubel or Cuddyer, depending on who will bring the most in return. I tend to say trade Kubel. As 33MorneauMVP pointed out in response to this earlier, Kubel is one of the best hitting DH's, particularly against RH pitchers. He also happens to be extremely cheap. I would imagine there are a lot of teams that could really benefit. Additionally, because he is better against RH, he would be more valuable to a team looking for a LH bat than the Twins. If teams won't offer enough for him, then we should trade Cuddyer, and his $8 million salary (maybe $9, I forget). The other alternative is Young, though I would rather keep him, and put him in RF.
This would allow the Twins to platoon Mauer (30-40 games games), Morneau (20-30 games), Cuddyer (20-30 games), Young (30 ish games) and a yet to be acquired RH bat that we sign in the offseason. Span could probably also get some DH at-bats, to save his legs a bit. If we still have Young, Cuddyer, Span and Gomez, then one of them sits when Mauer DHs, and Cuddyer slides to 1B when Morneau DHs, and one of them DHs the rest of the time.
This trade should be for a young, or AAA prospect middle infielder or pitching prospect. Again, I think that Kubel could net us someone very talented (Escobar or Escobar?). Maybe we and other teams could add in lower tier prospects to balance it out as deemed appropriate.
Position of strength 2: Closer. Someone mentioned this, but Nathan is worth trading, if the haul is right. I mean, don't the Mets want to spend a fortune on a third closer? :)
The deal probably won't be right, but if we could get back a middle infielder, or a decent 7th or 8th inning reliever and a starter prospect, to restock our system, it might be worth it. Remember, his salary could be used to get us some other talent in the FA market.
Position of strength 3: Lowel level minor league OF. If we are trying to play for the next couple of years (Mauer and Morneau's primes), then we need to look at using Revere/Hicks/Morales etc to get us the pieces we need now. I would happily trade any one of them (we'll still have others left), plus other lesser prospects, to get us elite players at our weakest positions.
Position of strenght 4: Money - depending on what happens with revenue projections, Cuddyer, Nathan, Cabrera, and arbitrations, we should have money to spend. A pile of this should go to Mauer. More should be spend shoring up the pitching (starting or relieving, depending on who's available), and whatever we can't fill through trade.
The much harder part is figuring out who we should get, and that's because I know nothing about people's trade cost, or projected salaries for next year. So I'll leave that to others here to propose. The main point is this: we as fans need to remember that you have to pay to get value in return. The players we love as being top contributors are also those that could get us value in return. It's a risk, but it's the only way to try to really improve the team, after we hit our budget constraints. Kubel is my main example here. He's great, but he might be worth more to other teams than he is to us.
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Problem
An NL team won’t want trade an Escobar for a DH, especially the Brewers with Braun in left, and the Braves with Heyward, McClouth Diaz
I would love the Twins to trade Revere and a top pitching prospect for Hardy or Yunel. I don’t know if the other team would do that though
by DaTwins on Sep 2, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
no way Ben Revere and a top pitching prospect for just JJ Hardy
we could get him for Rene Tosoni and Michael McCardell.
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doubt it
JJ Hardy still has trade value. How many other teams would like a good, young SS under club control for 2 more years?
by Mike I on Sep 2, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hardy is worth
at least Revere plus a good pitching prospect. I don’t think Revere will be a great player, too little power and he’ll be a corner OF. I would like to see the Twins trade him for some value in a position of need.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Sep 15, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kubel
He is only trade bait for AL teams. I hate to say it, but it does kinda make sense to trade him. I really like Kubel though.
by dakotajim on Sep 2, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How does it makes sense to trade Kubel?
Who do you DH? It’s hard to fill one hole by making another one.
by Jesse on Sep 2, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are LH heavy, he is the one they could most afford to lose and get a lot back for him. I don’t want them to trade him, he is just the best option. Cuddy would be, but his contract is going to be hard to sell.
by dakotajim on Sep 2, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, a trade would make sense,
(of Kubel) but only if we can sell high and get a #1, or #2 starter, or a proven and reliable right handed big bat to take over DH duties and break up the left handed string. I am not overly fond of the idea of trading Kubel, nor do I think the LH situation is untenable. Nonetheless, that trade is worthy of consideration under the right circumstances.
Anyway. Someone posted an offseason “moves” post a couple of months ago. It was too early then. Since we are still legitimately in a playoff hunt, it is awfully hard to get excited about analyzing offseason moves right now.
by montanatwinsfan on Sep 2, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we make the playoffs it will only be 3 games anyways. The Yanks will kill us.
by dakotajim on Sep 2, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
way to be positive
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by 33MorneauMVP on Sep 2, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the worst division in baseball, any average team can win it. Just the reality. Look to next year.
by dakotajim on Sep 2, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball has proven many, many times that
the season’s best team doesn’t always win the World Series. Cardinals. Twins. Yankees aren’t winning any titles recently. If the Twins can get to October, all bets are off.
by Jesse on Sep 2, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
This is not the worst division in baseball. The AL Central is significantly better than any NL Division, and pretty close with the AL West. You can’t just decide their the worst because of the record of the top team.
by lookatthosetwins on Sep 2, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
its pretty clear that this season we are by far the worst division. The I don’t think the NL West is great, but its clear that the Dodgers would run away with the division.
by Milt on Tilt on Sep 2, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, and I don't even think its close.
But I’ll have a full post explaining why.
by lookatthosetwins on Sep 2, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I look forward to this because I don’t see how you can reach this conclusion.
by Milt on Tilt on Sep 2, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want
I want to see your power rankings. Include that in the write up if you would be inclined.
by Milt on Tilt on Sep 2, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's right
The National League is seriously that much worse than the AL. The number-crunchers that have tried to quantify basically conclude that an AL team moving to the NL would gain about 6 wins per year from the switch.
by Mike I on Sep 2, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont doubt
that the AL is superior to the NL. But to say that the AL central is better than ALL of the NL divisions is wrong. You can name the top 5, maybe 6 teams in the AL without naming a team from the central.
by Milt on Tilt on Sep 2, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looking forward to reading it
makes for a good discussion
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Sep 2, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesse -
Jesse – my point is that I don’t think the holes are of equal size. We have an overloaded OF/DH situation, especially if you feel, as I do, that Mauer and Morneau would improve a lot if they got more rest. Let’s say, hypothetically, that we trade Kubel, and get a bat like Hardy’s in return. Not quite as good as Kubel, but it replaces a Punto / Casilla, so its a huge improvement. In order for it not to improve the team overall, Kubel’s replacement would have to be someone who hits nearly as poorly as Punto / Casilla, and I can’t imagine that happening. If, instead, the trade off was that Mauer DH’s, so someone like Morales or Ramos is the replacement, and its not as big of a downgrade (especially if it results in Mauer improving late in the year). With Morneau DHing, the dominos are such that Cuddyer moves and some combo of Gomez / Young / Span gets extra playing time, which is still better than Punto / Casilla.
That is how I think the team improves. All we have to do to improve by trading Kubel is to get comparable value at an area where we are more deficient.
by snolls on Sep 3, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kubel for Hardy?
Kubel OPS: .910
Hardy OPS: . 664
Hardy was so bad this year, they sent him down for the month of August. He still isn’t their starting shortstop.
I could see trading Delmon (.671) for Hardy. But you don’t trade your second best hitter by the numbers for a marginal talent. If you were able to get a decent hitting young shortstop, I could see it. But he has to be an emerging star—somebody like Alexi Ramirez or Asdrubel Cabrera, not that the Sux or Injuns would ever trade those guys.
Even then, all you’re doing is filling one hole by opening up another. If all five outfielders were above league average, it might make more sense. But only three are above league average. The others are at or below replacement level.
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by cmathewson on Sep 3, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i could see
hardy +
Hardy is a top tier fielder at short. That upgrade alone has great value. If you think Hardy’s true talent is 09 then no, you don’t make the trade. If you think he can hit like he did in 07-08, then you would. 07-08 Hardy was a +4 WAR player. Kubel is a +3.
Kubel may be a very good hitter, but he’s a DH. Anytime you put him in the field he’s a liability. Do I think we have to trade Kublel? No. But I’m not opposed to shopping him.
by Milt on Tilt on Sep 3, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kubel isn't a bad OF
He is slow, yes, but he takes decent routes and catches what he gets to. There are far worse OFs in the NL. The big question would be whether Kubel’s knees could stand up to 140-160 games in the outfield.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Sep 15, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Delmon, get automatically better
Delmon since joining the Twins: 1.7 wins (17 runs) BELOW replacement level.
His replacement (Gomez): 2.7 wins ABOVE replacement level during that time.
Get a low-mid level prospect for him.
by Mike I on Sep 2, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not be patient?
He was a #1 overall pick for a reason. He is still young and has a better chance of doing something than anyone we get in a trade for him right now when his trade value is low.
by Sheldon on Sep 2, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's his 4th season in the league
And he’s gotten worse every single year. And he’s taking playing time away from a guy (Gomez) who is just as young, is at least as likely to improve, and is a significantly better player right now. He’s a sunk cost, just trade him. It would immediately improve the club.
And FYI, here’s approximately what Delmon would need to hit (considering his defense and the position he plays) to provide league-average production: .290/.360/.480. Here’s Delmon’s career line: .287/.320/.408. You think Delmon is going to start hitting 25 homers, 45 doubles, and 45 walks each year? No way.
by Mike I on Sep 2, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know, though?
Guys like Josh Hamilton were late-bloomers. And you also have to admit that sometimes playing a position that is not your true position (Delmon’s was right field) messes up your offense (see Mike Cuddyer when he was playing 3rd base regularly).
by Sheldon on Sep 3, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delmon
It amazes me that he has been able to hit as well as he has, since every pitcher knows they can throw almost anything almost anywhere on the first pitch and Delmon will swing! That said, I can’t see him getting better until he develops selectivity at the plate.
The guy is a bad outfielder. Just too many minuses for me. Perhaps the Twins can get something like Fausto Carmona for him, a guy who has disappointed for two solid years but has twenty game winner upside.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Sep 15, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have some problems
Cuddyer is about our only right-handed power we have and you want to trade him (or Kubel). Kubel is the first DH we have had to get much O production since….umm….Molitor?
I would never have thought at the beginning of the season that I would be saying this but here it goes. I say we look at trading Young and Liriano. I think quite a few teams would still value Liriano high and we could get good value from him in a trade. Same goes for Young. I really think both of these guys need a change of scenery.
I would not mind having Crede/Harris at 3rd for one more season if we could solve 2nd and SS through trade and then sign one veteran free agent starting pitcher….I would not mind Pavano being our #5 starter. I think we may see the front office a little more willing to sign a free agent pitcher this offseason with the new stadium.
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by anderson800 on Sep 3, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lowest possible value
The problem with trading Liriano and Young right now is that they’re coming off the worst years of their careers, by far – they’d be worth peanuts in trade. Basically, if the Twins think there’s any chance that they’ll turn it around, the risk/reward analysis likely falls in favor of “let them play through it and risk getting nothing for them” rather than “cut bait and get what little value you can now”. That’s the whole point of the Kubel suggestion – his value might never be higher than it is right now, because he could be having a career year.
Or, this could be the start of a string of 30-40 homer years, and the Twins find out that they traded him too early.
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by BeefMaster on Sep 3, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spend some cash on infielders
Scutaro, DeRosa, Polanco, Figgins. Look-see all of those guys.
by DJL44 on Sep 3, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Iwamura
will also be available in all likelyhood. And hudson.
by Milt on Tilt on Sep 3, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twins needs
Mauer catching.Morales back-up. Ramos in wings. Fill-ins Christy, De San Miguel, Rams in future.
1B Morneau. He stays.
2B. Twins need one, which makes Casilla, Tolleson, Tolbert and any number of folks available.
SS. Twins need one. Do they sign Cabrera? Do they go after the guy from the Barves? Can they get by with Punto and maybe a looksee atvTrevor Plouffe? Is there someone in the wings?
3B. Gve it to Valencia and see if he’s better than Travis Metcalf, or Alex Marte, or any other promising gone-nowheres. Keep harris. Always have Punto as the fall-back.
Too many outfielders. Young, don’t give up. Gomez, better improve of young speedsters will repalce him. Cuddyer, expensive, consistent, but can abck up 1B. Kubel – still cheap, can play the outfield, and better than anyone in a long while (remember Monroe and Rondell White?)
Twins need a #1 starter. They have 9 others fighting for spots in 2010: Blackburn, Bonser, Duensing, Swarzak, Perkins, Manship, Liriano, Slowey, Baker. Lots of strength and weakness here.
Nathan is the closer. Who else could close for the Twins. Right, no one.
Mijares from the left.
Guerrier and Crain (who’s coming back).
Rauch looks to be written in.
Neshek will be back, but probably not until June.
Mahay is gone. Keppel is gone. All those AAAAAA guys are gone from Rochester. Morillo might still be around. Slama and Delaney are possibilities.
Gabino is a long-shot.
Needs: #1 starter, 2B, SS to offset a rookie/backup at third. Make a hard-decision on the 5 outfielders. Look for a long lefty (unless Perkins can do the job>?)
SIgn some free agents. Give up those draft picks since you are too cheap to really spend money, really, yes, too cheap. The arm was twisted this year, but you can’t tell me the Twins were really hoping to sign Gibson for less than a million.
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by rosterman on Sep 3, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2B, SS, #1
It’s a good year to get a SP, given it might be an injury prone one but there are a lot of good starters out there and because they’ve all had injury problems the Twins could actually afford one. Harden, Bedard, Sheets, and Lackey are all available. Of those 4 the only one likely out of reach is Lackey. I also eliminated Harden because of his type A status. The Twins really should make runs at Bedard and/or Sheets. If they somehow were to get them both then they can trade 2 or 3 of the current middle rotation starters to try to get MI help.
I think if JJ Hardy and Yunel Escobar are being made available in any way the Twins would be crazy to not get one of them. Even if it takes giving up some good prospects. I lean towards Escobar, even though he’d likely be more expensive, he’s under control for longer and he’s been a consistently good OBP guy that would actually be worth putting in at the 2 hole. He’s right handed so he gives us a bit of pop from that side of the plate walks almost as much as he strikes out. I haven’t heard if Braves management is still unhappy with him or not. If they are the Twins really need to go after this guy.
If they find a way to fill SS and get a solid #1 pitcher then I think the Twins can just see what happens at 2B. Casilla might recover, Tolleson might come up and hit well, who knows. I’m willing to have that possible hole on the team if we can fill 2 major ones.
I’m ok with the bullpen. We’ve got 3 pretty decent to really good setup guys now with Rauch, Mijares, and Guerrier. That along with the return of Neshek and Bonser makes me feel pretty good about our bullpen going into next year.
3B will be ok as it’s backed up by Brendan Harris. Brendan Harris is the perfect utility guy for this team because Gardy doesn’t like him. Gardy won’t make him a starter if he has 1 or 2 good games like he does with Punto.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Sep 3, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Harris?
He does not seem comfortable in Minnesota, does not get played as much as he could, and has just as much trade value as Young or Fransisco. That gives the Twins time to get Young some at-bats next season and maybe make a move before the allstar break if they need to. They should not resign Crede, and I only want to see Cabrera back it our next best option that Gardy will play is Punto. Give Tolleson and Valencia a chance. Make people earn their starts.
by dakotajim on Sep 3, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
trade value
he doesn’t have much trade value. Far less than even Delmon and Liriano. Unless you think there’s a lot of teams looking for a below average hitter with below average defense entering his 29 year old season.
Harris shouldn’t be offered another contract with the Twins.
by Milt on Tilt on Sep 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree we need more RH power...
A little known name I would like to see is Jake Fox from the Cubs. He can play 3B, 1B, LF, and C. Yes…Catcher, which would alleviate Gardy’s irrational need for a 3rd catcher next year when he DH’s Mauer.
He’s not particularly good at any of these positions, but he’s adequate, and actually pretty decent at 3B. He can DH against Lefties. And the guy has prodigious power. A future 30+ HR full time 3B/DH in my opinion.
Could be had from the Cubs for a mid-level prospect since he is not going to displace, Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee, or Alfonso Soriano any time soon. I’d make him the starting 3B next year in a heartbeat. Only in his 2nd year of service time I believe, as well.
All based on personal observation, by the way. Anyone with access to his advanced metrics this year, I’d be curious to see what they say.
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by mutleyil on Sep 5, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
I like the “Position” item on Baseball-Reference for Fox – 57/32D9 (10 or more games at third and left, fewer than 10 at first, catcher, DH, and right).
Looking at his hitting numbers, unless he’s a total butcher in the field, a midlevel prospect seems like a really low return for the Cubs – he was OPSing over 1.300 in AAA when they called him up, and he’s hit well at every level since rookie ball, so he seems to be a pretty legit hitting prospect.
Checking advanced metrics (by which I mean “looking at his page on FanGraphs”), his BABIP doesn’t appear to be exceptionally lucky – 17.7 LD%, .305 BABIP. His HR/FB is a very high 14.7%, but some guys just put up numbers like that, so I have no idea whether that’s sustainable or not – he hit a lot of homers in AAA, but the PCL is an offense-friendly league.
His defensive numbers are terrible across the board – UZR has him at a total of 4.7 runs below average at every position combined this year, with a UZR/150 of -10.8 at 3B and -24.8 in the outfield. However, he only has 184 innings at 3B and far fewer everywhere else, so there are probably sample size issues involved here – not even Delmon is that much of a butcher, at least according to the numbers.
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by BeefMaster on Sep 8, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those dang prospects......
Still waiting to see who the Twins protect and who they end up losing.
Makes one wonder, when they let Mulvey and Pino go already. Who else is expendable. Couldn’t you have apckaged them, as well as any of a dozen or so that probably won’t make the cut in a couple more years (Benson, parmelee, Lis, Singleton, Waldrop. Delaney or Slama…….)
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by rosterman on Sep 7, 2009 2:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it bad
but I want the Twins to suck enough this month to ensure that they finish in the bottom half of the league. Then they can sign a type A free agent and shouldn’t feel bad about it. Sure the 60th pick in the draft has value, but nowhere near the value of the 16th overall pick if they were to finish at the bottom of the top half.
This is the best way for the Twins to improve, and I firmly believe they HAVE to sign a big name free agent to please Joe.
by Milt on Tilt on Sep 8, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
talent but not winning
Another so so year. Sick of it. A manager is not forever nor is a pitching coach. Let’s get a change going.
by mary z on Sep 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Random Idea #1
Delmon Young and Tyler Robertson + maybe 1 more mid-level / low level player
for SP Matt Cain (S.F.)
Random Idea #2
Michael Cuddyer, Danny Valencia, Tyler Robertson, Boof Bonser, Delmon Young
for 3B Chipper Jones, OF Jason Heyward (Atl.)
ha ok probably a pipe dream with option #2
Deolis Guerra = Daniel Cabrera ?
I tend to think so
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 9, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like #1 and not #2
I think Atlanta would jump on that trade, but it is a pipe dream from the perspective that Chipper is a 10/5 guy and can veto any trade. He wants to stay in Atlanta to finish out his career.
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by cmathewson on Sep 10, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like #1 as well
but no way SF goes for it. I don’t think Delmon has that much trade value.
With #2, I’m more open to it than cmath. Assuming Chipper would even go for it (unlikely), I don’t think this would even take Delmon in the package to get it done. From an immediate 2010 standpoint, Chipper is probably more valuable than Cuddyer-Bonser + whatever Valencia produces next year. Chipper’s fallen off a bunch this year (down to a .355 wOBA, 50 points lower than his career average), but even in his worst year it’s the same wOBA as Cuddyer. Once you consider upside and defense, 2010 appears to favor the Twins here.
Looking to the future, we would lose Valencia and Robertson, getting Heyward in return. Heyward is just that good a prospect (Sickels considers him the best in baseball here) . I like Valencia, but getting the best prospect in baseball is enough for me to consider including Delmon as well.
Short term, the thought of putting Chipper in between Mauer and Morneau is pretty exciting. Long term, an outfield of Span-Gomez-Heyward with younger guys pushing for a spot is also pretty exciting.
by Adam Peterson on Sep 12, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is 2011
After Valencia, it’s at least a couple of years before the Twins can develop a decent third baseman. I’d maybe make the trade if it didn’t involve Valencia.
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by cmathewson on Sep 12, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
but Heyward is just that good a prospect. Valencia is arguably the best prospect in the Twins organization. Heyward, arguably the best in all of baseball. I’d take my chances at 3B after 2011, free agency, etc.
by Adam Peterson on Sep 12, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a lot of outfielders in the system
If we make a trade that gives up a lot of talent, we need to get infielders. Beyond Ramos and Valencia, the next five position player prospects in the system are outfielders (Tosoni, Revere, Parmelee, Morales, Hicks).
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by cmathewson on Sep 15, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since the Vikings have Brett Favre,
maybe the Twins could sign Geoff Jenkins.
by benhertz on Sep 10, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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