Did the Twins pay too much for Pavano?

by ahope on Jan 21, 2010 8:01 PM EST

If Pavano's case went to arbitration, would he have gotten $7 million? He did pitch well for the Twins and finish the season with a 14-12 combined record and a 5.10 ERA. Now, those two numbers didn't show how well he pitch last season as he had a FIP of 4.00, which we all now is a better indication of a pitcher's success. I'm of the belief that an arbitor wouldn't look at his FIP and pay more attention to his ERA and his W-L. Neither jump off the page. Also, to be a little nit-picky he failed to reach 200 innings.

So, what does everyone think Pavano would have gotten if he went to arbitration? Would be have gotten $7 million? Does he deserve a $5+ million raise?

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Didn't he get more like $4.5 million

once you include incentives? That’s more like a $2.5 million raise. Seems about on the money to me.

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by natetheskate on Jan 21, 2010 10:55 PM EST reply actions

Yeah I forgot to add in those incentives. My bad. This is a worthless post then.

by ahope on Jan 21, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions

Haha

Now I feel bad :-/

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by natetheskate on Jan 22, 2010 2:23 AM EST up reply actions

It's not worthless.

I still think it’s a debateable point, whether Pavano would have received $7 million or not.

For me I’m okay with it regardless, because considering what was on the free agent market (and the Twins’ liklihood of landing the “top tier” guys) I don’t know if we could have done much better than Carl for a cool seven mil. If he’s healthy, we should get our moneys worth.

by Jesse on Jan 22, 2010 3:56 AM EST up reply actions

The argument is valid.

Now that Joel Piniero has signed for 2/16, I think Pavano’s 1/7 salary is arguably a salary more fair to the player. Although it is one year less, I think many fans would have preferred Piniero at that price. Not to mention the fact that you could probably have Pedro Martinez, John Garland or Jarod Washburn at 1/5. Personally, I like Pavano, but with his injury concerns, he was wise to accept arbitration and then get rewarded with $7 million.

by TheBlackFreighter on Jan 22, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions

not sure

I figured he’d get 5, which is roughly what the Twins offered. It’s a bit more than I would have liked, but at the same time, it isn’t horribly overpriced. If he matches what he did for us down the stretch, he will be a nice signing. If he pitches closer to his FIP, we will have gotten a steal… Stay healthy Carl.

by diehardtwinsfan on Jan 22, 2010 9:12 AM EST reply actions

I'm O.K.

with the amount he got. I was just wondering if we would have been able to save a couple extra million dollars to sign a middle infielder or put that little amount to signing Mauer. Oh well. Hopefully he pitches as well as he did last year.

by ahope on Jan 22, 2010 10:19 AM EST reply actions

It's about right

On the open market, I think Pavano would get a one year deal comparable, but a bit below Joel Pineiro as noted above. Since Pineiro signed for 2/16, 1/7 feels about right.

by Adam Peterson on Jan 25, 2010 7:02 PM EST reply actions