VONP (Value over Nick Punto)
Thome as a pH would have a value of about 2 runs above the expected output of Punto/Harris over 60 AB. The methodology is below the jump. The rates below are per AB and take into account platoon splits and a pH penalty. If he only gets 60 pH ABs he would be almost worth his contract. 0.4M + 0.2WAR x 4M/WAR = 1.2M. If he gets 200 AB vs RHP he'd add another 0.7 WAR and would be a steal. I honestly can't see why the White Sox would prefer a rotating DH.
Punto .04 runs/AB, Harris .03 runs/AB, Young .02 runs/AB, Hardy .015 runs/AB. He would have negative value pH for Mauer, Morneau, Span, Cuddyer, Kubel, although this probably goes without saying. It is assumed that he'd be facing a RHP who would not be lifted for a Loogy.
Gaging Thome's worth as a pinch hitter is difficult for a couple of reasons. First Jim Thome has a significant split. In fact, from 2000-04 he had the largest split in the majors. He has had a split of over .100 wOBA over the last 3 years. This should be regressed to the mean but still leaves him with a roughly 0.054 wOBA split compared to an average LHB split of 0.024. Another consideration is that PH perform worse on average than they would as starters to the tune of 0.034 of wOBA. When pinch hitting the splits of the player he's pinch hitting for needs to be considered. In these cases I used the average platoon split in the league for each player. Finally, I'm not sure how much leverage to give him as their aren't many pH in the AL. The average in the NL for pH with > 40 chances was roughly 1.3.
The math goes like this: (Thome's wOBA vs RHP - wOBA of player pinch hit for vs RHP)/1.15 = unleveraged runs/AB.
Thome's wOBA vs RHP = projected wOBA (marcel 0.360) + .054 x percent of LHP faced = .376. This accounts for the issue that his projected wOBA assumes the same percentage of RHP going forward. If we'd only pH or start him against RHP this needs to be adjusted.
Thomes wOBA vs RHP as a pH = 0.376 - pH penalty (0.034) = .342
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I love this
I’m going to use this stat all the time now.
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The Book
Many of the ideas in this post are taken from The Book by Tom Tango, Mitchel Lichtman, Andrew Dolphin. It’s hard to find a balance between showing your work and making your points coherently. I’d be happy to try and clarify if possible.
by Jon Kammerer on Jan 28, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
From my perspective
I always laugh at the Nick Punto cracks here, but that might be because he morphs from a sub-.300 OBP guy to an on-base machine whenever the Yanks and Twins play.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200910097031917&c_id=min
Maybe the Yankees ned a veteran utility guy
I can dream…
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Over under on Thome AB's against lefties
I want to start the bidding at 22.
by PinkiePinkerton on Jan 28, 2010 5:37 PM EST reply actions
hmmm
Scenario’s where he hits against a lefty:
1. Someone gets hurt and he becomes a fulltime player
In this case, he’d probably still sit against most lefties, but would probably see quite a few. If someone does get hurt out of Cuddy, Delmon, Kubel, and Morneau, for a month or so, I think he definitely gets more than 22 ABs against lefties.
2. He pinch hits, the other team goes to a loogy, and we leave him in there. I think this will happen a decent amount of times. With our short bench, I don’t think he’d get pulled if the team put in a loogy.
So I definitely go with the OVER. We’ll see how it goes.
by Steven Ellingson on Jan 28, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
#2
I was actually thinking this could be another good use of Thome. Make the other team use their Loogy early say if Thome pinch hits for someone in the 8th inning of a close game. Then hopefully they have no lefty relievers when the top of the order comes up.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Thome's splits from the last couple of years,
even though there’s a huge gap like there’s always been, indicate he still hits lefties better than Kubel ever has. Thome’s still a good enough hitter to be the mostly-full-time DH on this team, with Kubel and Young generally platooning. I don’t expect that will happen, but it would be reasonable.
by DK on Jan 29, 2010 3:12 AM EST up reply actions
Great Post John, this is something I've been thinking about, but didn't know the math involved. One thing...
There will be a decent amount of times where we have to play defense after pinch hitting Thome. This means that whoever is on the bench will replace whoever he pinch hit for. While it would be hard to project what the penalty for this is, I have to think it’s more than negligable. If we figure, on average, every pinch hitting opportunity will result in one high leverage inning of Tolbert instead of Punto, Hardy, or Harris, I would think that would add up. Subbing for Harris might be positive, but the other two are definitely negative. I didn’t count Delmon, because he’d be subbed for Pridie, which probably would have been done if he didn’t pinch hit.
by Steven Ellingson on Jan 28, 2010 6:11 PM EST reply actions
defensive subs
The defensive cost, at 2b, from Punto +9/150 to Tolbert -5/150 is 14runs/150 games. Or 0.01 runs/innning. So if the games goes 4 additional innings then pH for Punto is a wash. I don’t think Hardy will be pH for very often and as you stated Tolbert > Harris. I used 3 year weighted averages regressed to tom tango’s fan scouting report for the defensive estimates.
by Jon Kammerer on Jan 28, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder about the appropriateness of the pinch-hitting penalty
Might the lower rate stats of players as pinch hitters reflect the situation they’re put in, not the fact that they perform worse coming off the bench? E.g., they’re often brought in against the better relievers, they’re in high-stress situations, etc.? In other words, might it be that the pinch hittee would suffer the same situational downgrade as the pinch hitter? If so, obviously it wouldn’t make sense to add the discount to Thome when evaluating his VONP.
Loved the article, thanks for writing it.
PH penalty adjusted for quality of opposing pitcher
and consistent regardless of inning, results limited to the 9th inning give the same results as using all pH AB.
by Jon Kammerer on Jan 29, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions

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