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Scott Baker's Ailing Elbow

NEW YORK - OCTOBER 09:  Scott Baker #30 of the Minnesota Twins throws a pitch against the New York Yankees during Game Three of the ALDS part of the 2010 MLB Playoffs at Yankee Stadium on October 9, 2010 in the Bronx borough of New York City.  (Photo by Chris McGrath/Getty Images)

On Monday, we learned Scott Baker will have an MRI on his ailing right elbow sometime this week.  This is the same right elbow that required cortisone shots twice this season, including in September when Scott was only able to make 3 starts. 

The health of Scott Baker's elbow has big-time implications for the Twins 2011 season and, more immediately, their plans for this off-season.  The team is already pondering what to do with free agent starter Carl Pavano, who was the team's second-best starter this season.  If the team does lose Pavano to free agency, it's unclear how much payroll they'll have available to invest in a replacement starter, meaning the Twins may be looking to replace his production from an in-house candidate.

Enter Scott Baker.

Over the past two seasons, Scott Baker has posted a lackluster 4.42 ERA in nearly 400 innings of work, while battling through several bouts of elbow tendonitis.  Between the missed starts and the mediocre performance, many Twins fans have grown weary of Scott.  It's hard to blame them.  But ever the optimist (and, perhaps, an enduring Baker apologist) I believe there are some very good reasons to think a healthy Baker might be able to post Pavano-like numbers next season, assuming he's back healthy.

Why I believe this to be true, after the jump.

Star-divide

Look at the following list of names:

Cliff Lee

Roy Halladay

Jered Weaver

Dan Haren

Josh Johnson

Shaun Marcum

Adam Wainwright

Mat Latos

Ted Lilly

James Shields

Roy Oswalt

Francisco Liriano

Cole Hamels

Felix Hernandez

Hiroki Kuroda

Zack Greinke

Carl Pavano

With some exceptions, that's pretty much a who's who of the best pitchers in baseball, right?  What I've presented here is a list of pitchers ranked by their strikeout-to-walk ratio in 2010, extending the list far enough to capture Pavano.  As you may have guessed, I did remove one name:

Name

K/BB

HR/9

Cliff Lee

10.28

0.68

Roy Halladay

7.3

0.86

Jered Weaver

4.31

0.92

Dan Haren

4

1.19

Josh Johnson

3.88

0.34

Shaun Marcum

3.84

1.11

Adam Wainwright

3.8

0.59

Mat Latos

3.78

0.78

Ted Lilly

3.77

1.49

James Shields

3.67

1.5

Roy Oswalt

3.51

0.81

Francisco Liriano

3.47

0.42

Cole Hamels

3.46

1.12

Scott Baker

3.44

1.22

Felix Hernandez

3.31

0.61

Hiroki Kuroda

3.31

0.69

Zack Greinke

3.29

0.74

Carl Pavano

3.16

0.98

Of course, Twins fans will quickly recognize that strikeout-to-walk ratio conveniently ignores Scott's biggest weakness: allowing home runs.  That's why I added that third column: homeruns allowed per 9 innings.  Being a fly-ball pitcher, Scott gives up his fair share of homers: of the 18 pitchers included on the list above, only 2 (Shields and Lilly) gave up more homers more frequently than Baker, although Haren, Hamels, and Marcum all posted similar homerun rates.

But even with the high number of homeruns, Scott has still shown the stuff to be an awfully good major league starter.  Using common defense-independent stats like FIP, xFIP, and SIERA, Baker measures up very well with the man who started game 2 of the ALDS:

ERA

FIP

xFIP

SIERA

Pavano

3.75

4.02

4.01

4.15

Baker

4.49

3.96

4.02

3.69

Judging just by their peripheral statistics - Ks, walks, homers allowed, ground balls, fly balls, etc - Baker appears to have slightly out-pitched Pavano, albeit in fewer innings. 

Of course, as I'm sure you've already recognized, the big difference in the two pitchers' ERAs stems mostly from their BABIP.  Pavano was a ground ball pitcher pitching in front of a great defensive infield.  Baker, on the other hand, was a fly ball pitcher pitching in front of Delmon Young and Jason Kubel.  That difference goes a long way in explaining the wide variance in ERA between the two pitchers, and needs to be accounted for in predicting how well Baker will bounce back next season.

As the front office begins the process of putting together the 2011 Minnesota Twins, the health of Scott Baker looms large.  He's under a reasonable contract through 2012, he misses bats and limits walks, and he has the potential to pitch like a solid #2 behind Liriano, especially if the team finds a way to improve the outfield defense behind him.  The results of his MRI and the report from his doctors will certainly impact how the team handles the Pavano situation, and whether they dip their toes in the free agent pitcher market.

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Very good points here and a solid writeup

I hope Baker can stay health next season, because, heck, we might really depend on that. That and good defense behind him…

by twinscrazy_german on Oct 13, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

A good OF defense will help him, no doubt.

Baker has always been capable of being a good #2, he just needs to pitch up to that level. He’s terribly inconsistent sometimes, and it’s frustrating as hell. It’d be interesting to see how his numbers would play out if we had a slightly above average defensive OF.

No doubt, we need him to be one of The Guys next season.

by Jesse on Oct 13, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Seconded, good writeup

This is why the Twins can’t afford to only have 5 starting pitchers. Gibson and/or Bromberg might be ready by mid-season but it would be great to have a swingman for the early months. That might be Glen Perkins or it might come from outside the organization.

What would Baker have done this season if he hadn’t been hurt?

Also a good point about the outfield defense. This should be fairly easy to address in the offseason but it probably means letting go of Jason Kubel. Between Kubel, Delmon and Cuddyer they’re going to spend $20M on right fielders. Add another $2M or so for Thome and that’s $22M and four roster slots for players you would rather play at DH. For some perspective, that’s the same amount as Mauer’s contract. It would make sense to spend some of those resources elsewhere (2B, outfielder who can catch, relief pitching, etc).

by DJL44 on Oct 13, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I am okay with that

Judging only from this season Casilla deserves a shot and Hudson just might not fit his salary demand in the Twins payroll

by twinscrazy_german on Oct 13, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Look at his odd/even year stats

Year OPS+
2006 106
2007 40
2008 91
2009 44
2010 97

He’s an adequate starter in even years, dreadfully awful in odd years. Going with Casilla as the starter is a decent plan A but it absolutely requires a plan B.

by DJL44 on Oct 13, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I could see Plouffe being the Plan B.

Also, “Plan B” is the name of a chav dude in England, who actually had a couple of singles that I liked. So that’s fun…not all chavs are worthless.

by Jesse on Oct 13, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hughes is Plan B

He’s no great defender, but he’s a better hitter than Hudson when healthy.

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by cmathewson on Oct 13, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those guys can be Plan C

None of the guys in Rochester has earned a spot in the majors. They need a real utility infielder.

by DJL44 on Oct 13, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who do you like?

Punto
Alex Cora
Craig Counsell
Jerry Hairston Jr
Akinori Iwamura
Melvin Mora
Juan Uribe
Cristian Guzman
Miguel Tejada
Jorge Cantu

There are a few more, but there are at least a couple of interesting options in there. Tejada is a Type A, though.

by Jesse on Oct 13, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Jamey Carroll

Ryan Theriot is a likely non-tender also. Uribe probably costs too much. Hairston is a decent veteran.

Honestly I’d take Punto back if he says okay to $1.5M and a spot on the bench where he belongs.

by DJL44 on Oct 13, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I just threw up in my mouth.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Oct 13, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You could do worse than Punto in regards to a UT off the bench.

There are other guys I’d rather see, including internally (Plouffe/Hughes), but buying out Punto’s option and bringing him back at a fraction of the price wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.

by Jesse on Oct 13, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes you could

Brett Boone is still available. badumpchink!

I actually like Punto as a person, for an ambiguously gay dude. But I don’t want him on the team because svetera are supposed to be role models for good fundamentals. But he is not. So if the young kids look up to him, they’ll start backhanding grounders hit right at them and jump throwing every throw and diving into every bag for no apparent reason and otherwise being out of position on every throw from the outfield. I think his mere presence on the team is a negative. It’s why Casilla does some of his wacky plays, because he’s emulating a team leader who does absolutely nothing by the book.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Oct 13, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Careful...

We thought the odd-even thing about Punto, and then he managed to get the nod as the starting third baseman this year and put up odd-year numbers. It turns out that Punto’s deal is that when he starts the year as an incumbent starter (2007 and 2010 at 3B, 2009 at SS), he’s terrible, but when he starts as a utility man and takes a position over midseason, he’s good.

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by BeefMaster on Oct 13, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why anyone would be frustrated with Scott Baker

He’s been very consistent for most of his career, and he is exactly what he is. His peripheral numbers have been very consistent year to year, especially over the last 3 as he’s established himself in the rotation. His ERA has varied some, but ERA varies. Frankly, he’s very similar to a slightly less durable Brad Radke. A few more Ks and walks, but generally similar; a flyball guy with excellent control. The truth is, guys like this can be successful, but the runs are going to come because they are going to give up homers. As the hit and homer rate fluctuates, the ERA will too, but the underlying reasons for success are there.

If Scott Baker is your 3rd starter, you are in pretty good shape, I think. I’d rather have him than Pavano for the next 3 years.

We Are the Washington Generals

by Eric in Madison on Oct 13, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I can understand

Baker has gotten off to terrible starts each of the last two years, leaving him with an ugly ERA and the ire of fans for the first part of the season. He inevitably settles down and has a good second half, but we don’t notice because his ERA is still coming down from the stratosphere and we’re still dealing with residual anger from him giving up seventy home runs in April.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Oct 13, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not a +1 guy, but +1 to this

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by Twins33 on Oct 14, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Radke?

Radke had a +++changeup and ++ control. Baker has great stuff but cant string together a consistant season

by clutterheart on Oct 13, 2010 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He doesn't have great stuff

He has pretty good stuff, and as a result, is a pretty good pitcher. I don’t know what you mean by consistent season. Except for the very best and very worst, almost every pitcher’s season is full of good and bad starts, even good and bad stretches of starts. Radke was no different.

The truth is, he HAS been consistent season to season; the problem really is that he hasn’t been quite as durable as we might like.

We Are the Washington Generals

by Eric in Madison on Oct 14, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Consistency

While I’ll agree with you that Baker has been consistent from season to season, I think clutterheart’s problems with him is that he has a tendency not to be consistent from start to start – he’ll put up a 8IP/9K/1R performance one game, then get knocked out in the fifth inning the next time out.

I’d be interested to know if there’s a stat out there that tracks pitcher consistency in terms of average variance in runs allowed (plus maybe K rate, BB rate, and GB & FB rates) per game. Gut feeling is that Baker’s would be high, but that is based entirely on anecdotal evidence.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Oct 14, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Home runs

If you looked at consistency in runs allowed, high home run pitchers would have more variance than low HR guys simply because of scoring multiple runs on a single swing of the bat.

by Adam Peterson on Oct 17, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the other hand,

if we add a guy (which is unlikely) that isn’t Pavano, like trading for someone like Sanchez or Greinke, or signing De La Rosa, etc., think how good we would be with Baker as a #3 if healthy.

Awesome post, though. Rec’d. Let’s hope the F.O. reads this.

by bbeeck on Oct 13, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I somewhat agree

The Twins OF defense did hurt him but it’s also been overblown by Baker apologists (of which I’m one, actually). His 8/17 game against the Sox (for instance) he gave up 2 HR and 3 doubles in 4.1ip. All three of those doubles were lasers that Roberto Clemente wouldn’t have reached. And both Kubel and Young made great catches in the gaps in the 3rd inning of that game that, had Repko been playing instead, we would have heard how those two would never make those kind of catches. Just saying.

While he does do things we like – no walks, good k-rate – he also has a tendency to have pretty high pitch counts which does limit his ip. And he’s also been pitching in the central long enough where I think the other central teams have fairly good scouting reports on him – all four teams hit him really well this year. All that said, I do agree with the central premise, Baker can be a very good #2 on a playoff caliber team but he has to improve aspects of his game and not just blame Young and Kubel for his high ERA.

by Gunnarthor on Oct 13, 2010 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I predict

either Baker or Blackburn will be traded this offseason… esp. if we re-sign Pavano.

by MoonlitKnight on Oct 13, 2010 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

He's definitely a solid #2 when healthy.

While I think citing his K/BB as a stat in support of him ‘missing bats’ is a bit misleading because he offers so few walks, he still ranked #26 for qualifying pitchers in K/9. So while he probably isn’t within the circle of the other 17 pitchers that you cite above in terms of overall bat missing, he isn’t far behind and he’s near the top of that #2 group.

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by montanatwinsfan on Oct 13, 2010 7:51 PM EDT reply actions  

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