An Early Look At The 2011 Bullpen
The Twins roster is still up in the air for next year. This isn't any different from any year; the league champions still haven't even been decided, and every team has a certain number of question marks at this time of the year. That said, the Twins bullpen is more up in the air than most. Here's a look at the guys in play to be part of the 2011 bullpen, along with their contract status.
- Joe Nathan will be back next season, barring setback from injury. He'll make $11.25 million; the Twins hold an option on his 2012 season at $12.5 million (with a $2 million buyout.)
- Jose Mijares will be into his third and final year of serfdom; given that he's spent part of the last two years in the team doghouse, I doubt the club would consider giving him a longer-term deal in order to buy out this year and some or all of his arbitration years.
- Pat Neshek is arbitration-eligible. He made $625,000 in 2010, and given that he's thrown nine major-league innings over the past two seasons, is unlikely to get a heck of a lot more in arbitration. He'll likely avoid the hearing and re-sign a similar contract - unless the team chooses to dump him, in which case he'd become a free agent.
- Matt Capps has one more year of being arbitration-eligible. The problem, from the club's point of view: he's an All-Star who saved 42 games in 2010. He'll make a pretty penny at a hearing. There's always the chance the Twins will walk away, but given that they traded a big prospect to get him, and given that there's no guarantee Joe Nathan will come back as the same pitcher, you can probably expect the Twins to offer Capps arbitration and try to work out a contract.
- Brian Fuentes can stay around for the low, low price of $9 million - the team has an option at that price. (Edit: I'm told this is not true - Fuentes's 2011 option vested only if he finished 55 games, a mark he didn't reach. He's projected as a Type B free agent, though, meaning the Twins might be able to keep him via arbitration if he accepted.) That said, it's unlikely the Twins would keep Fuentes and not Capps, and even if they did he'd be the second-choice closer behind Nathan. He'd be great as another lefty out of the pen, but there's just no way the Twins can afford to spend $30 million or more on three relievers. He's almost a certainty to be gone.
- Matt Guerrier is a free agent, projected as a Type A free agent - meaning that if the Twins offered him arbitration and he declined, the team would get two high draft picks out of the bargain (a supplemental one at the end of the first round, plus a pick from the team that signed him.) My guess - which is, I stress, nothing more than a hunch - is that the team will offer him arbitration. They'll either get another year of the 32-year-old righty at around $3-4 million, or they'll get a couple of picks out of the deal.
- Meanwhile, Jesse Crain and Jon Rauch both project as Type B free agents, meaning that the Twins would get only the supplemental pick if they were offered arbitration but declined. Rauch is 32, Crain is 29, and both were frustrating at times for Twins fans this year. That said, Rauch has experience as a closer, and Crain was the best strikeout guy in the Twins 'pen, so both might be able to make more money on the open market than they would in arbitration. With Nathan and Capps potentially approaching $20 million combined, my guess is that the Twins will want a maximum of one of Guerrier, Rauch, and Crain for 2011. The question, though, is who - and will they offer more than one arbitration, in the hopes of grabbing a few extra draft picks?
- Ron Mahay, Clay Condrey, and Randy Flores are all free agents. The correct response is "I don't care and neither should you."
- Glen Perkins is finally arbitration-eligible, after the lefty filed a grievance last year in the hopes of becoming eligible (and lost). He spent much of 2010 as a less-than-successful starter in Triple-A, then spent the end of the year as a less-than-successful reliever in the majors. He is, however, left-handed, and if Randy Flores can get and keep a job, then Perkins can. He'd probably make about the same as Neshek, perhaps a little more, if he's offered arbitration. (Most of you think he won't be.)
- The Twins also have a number of guys who aren't even close to being arbitration-eligible, like Alex Burnett, Anthony Slama, Rob Delaney, and Jeff Manship (to name four guys who pitched in the big leagues this year), plus Kyle Waldrop, who didn't. All five are righthanders.
- There also is the possibility that Carl Pavano (or another starter from elsewhere) could be on the roster, which would push one of Scott Baker, Kevin Slowey, and Nick Blackburn out of the rotation. Since all three have long-term deals... they could end up pitching out of the bullpen, with Slowey probably the front-runner to do so unless Baker can't get healthy.
Here's how I have these guys separated into categories, in my mind:
Pretty Certain: Nathan, Mijares
Seems Likely: Capps, Perkins (because he's left-handed and cheap)
Free Agent Roulette: Guerrier, Rauch, Crain
Back Unless He's In The Doghouse Permanently: Neshek
Gone: Fuentes, Condrey, Mahay, Flores
Close Your Eyes And Pick One (Or Two Or Three): Burnett, Slama, Delaney, Manship, Waldrop
Has A Contract, Not Afraid To Use It: Blackburn, Slowey, Baker
My prediction, having considered everything: Nathan, Capps, Mijares, Perkins, Guerrier, Neshek, Slama. But that's just me guessing.
Sources and further reading:
- Free Agent Type A and B projections
- Arbitration eligibles
- Contract data
- Roster speculation: John Bonnes | Seth Stohs
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Lest I say this a million times.
According to Cot’s, the Twins do not have an option on Fuentes. It was vesting only.
I'd rather have Crain than Guerier, all things considered
They should cost about the same. Crain can dominate. Guerrier can hold his own.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Agreed, but I think Guerrier's more likely to return
My guess is that the Twins will offer Guerrier arbitration (because they like him, and those two picks are sooo tempting), and he’ll accept (because no one will give up two draft picks to sign a setup man). I think Crain is less likely to accept arbitration, but I also think he would – he could get $3-4M in arbitration, and I don’t know if he’ll get anything like that in the open market.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
Nobody has to give up 2 draft picks
The signing team gives up 1 draft pick. The other is a “sandwich pick” created from thin air. Guerrier is at the bottom of the Type A list so any team signing a higher ranked Type A player would only need to give up a 2nd or even 3rd round pick to sign Guerrier. An arbitration offer will effectively shut off the 1 year deals for Guerrier but if someone is willing to give him a 3 year contract they will be willing to spend the draft pick.
We'll be all right
Neshek will be a year back from surgery so I think he’ll be a better pitcher. Offer arbitration to everyone that’s eligible to get more picks in a loaded draft. A bullpen of Nathan, Capps, Mijares, Burnett, Neshek, Slama + whomever isn’t a bad starting place.
Two more rookies that could impact the pen next year (ala Burnett) would be Bullock – he struck out 105 in 74 innings last year while walking everyone else – and Gutierrez, who BA.com says has the best fastball in the Twins system.
Who knows about Neshek
He may never come back completely.
I agree that Gutierrez is a dark horse for the bullpen but I’d guess the Twins want to see him put some time in AAA first.
On Neshek:
Not saying its the same case, but people were saying the same about Liriano.
I really hope Neshek can come back – he is a really likeable guy – if it’s with the Twins, then I would prefer that, but either way I want him to succeed
by twinscrazy_german on Oct 18, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Raises questions about Nathan's effectiveness though
Is he expected to be “back to normal” by April? Or will there be kinks he needs to work out his first year back?
Tommy John surgery
typical recovery is 12-18 months. Velocity is usually the same or better than previously, but command and control can take up to 2 years to return (see Liriano). Over 90% of pitchers return to level, but it’s not guaranteed. I think the Twins can continue to collect insurance payments as long as he’s on the 60 day disabled list.
by Jon Kammerer on Oct 18, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Velocity is not back for Neshek
Command and control are having issues as well.
If he's on the Liriano timescale, he might be better next spring.
That’d be good, because we need a good strikeout pitcher who won’t cost an arm and a leg.
According to wiki...
Neshek had surgery November 18th, 2008. That his velocity and control were still suffering in September 2010 is major cause for concern.
+1
Neshek is a special case because of his delivery. He puts all the stress on his elbow, so he can’t compensate with a stronger shoulder, as many conventional pitchers do after Tommy John.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
The short answer is NO
Nathan will not be “back to normal” by April. I think you can count on him pitching next year, but not necessarily closing.
Neshek
For a sidearmer, he threw pretty hard. Now he doesn’t. More than that though, he relies on the funky delivery to deceive batters. I don’t think he will ever be as effective as he was when he came on the scene because hitters have now seen his stuff. Secondly, besides velocity, his pitches don’t have near the bite they had before his injury. I really doubt he ever be anywhere near as effective as he was before the surgery.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Oct 18, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Liriano showed flashes of his old stuff after 12 months
He just didn’t have the consistency until this year. Neshek has not even shown flashes of it. He’s been consistently a notch below major league stuff since his return.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I'm OK with taking chances in the bullpen
If we’re willing to take on salary after the trade deadline there should be reinforcements available. We got Rauch/Mahay in 2009 and Fuentes in 2010. Kerry Wood and Chad Qualls both were picked up for salary relief this year as well.
Not a bad plan
Go cheap and take on salary as the year progresses.
My way early bullpen stab:
Knowing that the Twins like to go with 12 pitchers and therefore 7 bullpen spots:
Nathan
Capps
Mijares
Crain
Neshek
Waldrop
Perkins
At their best, this isn't a bad group as far as strikeout pitchers go, either.
Nathan, Mijares and Neshek are all K/IP type guys, and Capps and Crain can get the strikeouts too.
Of course if Nathan isn’t quite back, Neshek struggles and anyone gets off to a slow start then it’ll be another matter entirely.
I am definitely in favor of offering arbitration to our good relief pitchers
Some will take it, and some won’t. The ones that leave, turn into more high draft picks. Promote from within to fill in any holes.
I'll go with this
Nathan
Capps (Nathan’s insurance policy)
Mijares
Guerrier or Crain (but not both)
Neshek
I’m undecided on the last 2 spots. As has been said, Flores, Condrey (this season’s obligatory waste of money, following Boof Bonser [‘08] and Mike Lamb [’09]; Brendan Harris will be next year’s… unless they put him back on the 40-man), and Mahay are as good as gone (though I could see Mahay returning in a moment of desperation). If Fuentes can get a guaranteed gig as a closer elsewhere, he’s not staying, either. And, honestly, the main reason I don’t want Rauch back is because he wears a number higher than 59. : ? Perkins will take one of the spots if he has a good spring training… otherwise it’s on to the waiver wire for him. I feel a little less nervous about losing some of our pieces this year knowing we still have Slama, Delaney, Burnett, and Waldrop waiting in the wings (though the former 3 all proved they were not yet major league-ready last season). Hopefully at least one of them will come of age this year.
Again, I also still feel that one of our starters will be traded this offseason… most likely either Baker or Blackburn (even if we get peanuts for them in return).
Love the fact that yanqui stadium is emptying out.
Dammit Twins, why couldn’t you do that? //Sigh
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Oct 18, 2010 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
Rauch
It seems to me like Rauch could be brought back much more cheaply than Capps, and is pretty much just as good, so I’d like to see them do that, honestly.
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