Twins To Bid On Tsuyoshi Nishioka
Who is Tsuyoshi Nishioka?
Nishioka is a 26-year old middle infielder who has played his professional career with the Chiba Lotte Marines. According to his Wikipedia page (yes, I'm referencing Wikipedia, the source of all accurate truthiness), he's primarily known for a few different things.
- His ability to get on base. As a career .293/.364/.426 hitter, he has no problems taking a walk, which means his offensive ability isn't completely tied up in his ability to hit safely. Which is good.
- His ability to steal bases. He's never topped the 41 bags he stole in 2005 as a 20-year old, but he's still averaged 23 swipes over the last four seasons. It appears he's not exceptionallyl fast, but he uses his speed well and can read pitchers.
- His injuries. He's never missed significant time, playing in at least 115 games every season over the past six years. His 144 games played this season were a career-high.
- His defense. Attributed with great range, as well as "quick reflexes, soft hands and an exceptional throwing arm", you can't get much better of a scouting report than that.
I recommend you read it for yourself, but the entry also says he's a switch hitter and a great at push-bunting. He sounds like a pretty good number two hitter to me. Not only that, but we know Gardy likes to hit one of his middle infielders second, and Nichioka sounds like he would be a better option than either J.J. Hardy or Alexi Casilla.
Of course, it's not all duckies and bunnies. Yahoo! Sports' Duk doses us up with a spoonful of reality here. Last week, TwinsGeek mused that his daughter would be more interested in touching his hair, for what it's worth. The most important dose of reality though, comes from Joe C, who says that Minnesota's chances are slim. But, bid they will.
Once a team wins the bid, that's just the start of the negotiations as that bid has nothing to do with the contract the winning bidder will have to pay him. Which will be a fair penny. How much a team is willing to bid, while understanding how much they'll have to dish out if they win, is up for debate. Let's look at a few past winning bids, just to see what kind of company the Twins would have to keep.
2002, Ichiro Suzuki: $13+ million
2002, Kazuhisa Ishii: $11+ million
2006, Daisuke Matsuzaka: $51+ million
2006, Kei Igawa: $26+ million
2010, Hisashi Iwakuma: Estimated $16+ million
Those are some of the bigger ones in recent seasons. We're still waiting to hear Oakland's exact bid for Iwakuma, but suffice it to say that's a lot of dough simply to have exclusive negotiation rights and I imagine that five years from now I'll probably be glad the Twins didn't bid that much for him. And while other players, like Akinori Iwamura and his $4.5 million winning bid, can have those rights won for a bit less, a player like Nishioka is going to garner a lot of interest. There will be aggressive bids.
Whatever happens we know the Twins will make their bid, and we'll see the results when the dust settles next week.
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Interesting
That the Twins think they can afford to make the bid and pay a Japanese ballplayer next year. Maybe our budget isn’t as low as we fans think?
I think part of this comes from an international scouting budget.
But that’s just a guess. I don’t know.
I think you're right
I know the Sano/Kepler/Polanco signings were out of a different budget than the draft budget.
Also, I know Jim P. has discretion to pump cash into these budgets as needed. Player salaries are tougher because they get scrutinized if they go out of the 50-52 % of revenue slot. But everything else is fair game. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jim tells them to bid with the big boys.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I don't get this.
You mean you don’t think they’d be willing to spend the same amount fo money on him if he was an American player because of their internal accounting methods? That sounds self-defeating to me.
Not just internal
The rules are all related to the salary structure. Posting and international signing costs are outside of this and not regulated by the league. So it’s easier to spend money on those things than salary. This guy might cost the same as Hudson next year, but most of his cost will be posting and signing, not salary.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Yes
And that’s why the Red Sox were able to spend $50 million on the Dice-K posting fee without it affecting their luxury tax.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
This is a good idea
it’d be a great one if we get him
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 17, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions
I echo a lot of the thoughts, but...
I’m not sure the bidding will be that aggressive. I’ve been thinking about this some earlier this offseason about Orlando Hudson, but how many “contenders” need a 2b?
Not all that many.
Boston/TB/NY/Toronto-set
CWS-set. Detroit could bid.
Angels/Rangers/A’s/Mariners-set
Phillies/Braves-set. Marlins not likely to make that move. Mets, sure. But they may be ready to go with Ruben Tejada.
Brewers/Reds set. Cards may bid.
Rockies/Giants/Padres unlikely. Dodgers may, but may not have the cash.
I don’t know; if teams view him as strictly a 2b, I don’t see the market being huge for him.
From what I've read in the last hour or so,
the winning bid might come in somewhere over $4 million. I could live with that.
If it's only 4 million
We should bid 5. That’s pretty cheap for a guy just going into his prime. Now, obviously there’s risk but if they were willing to do 3 for Sano who’s probably just as much if not more risk (albeit more upside) 4-5 million for this guy is worth it completely in my eyes
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Red Sox are interested
Anyone think we still have a chance?
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Nov 17, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I can't possibly believe that rumor is true...
and won’t.
The Red Sox already have 3 very good MI options on their team and have another one on the way. They won’t win the bidding on him. Might not even make a bid.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 17, 2010 6:32 PM EST reply actions
Hmm. Bart?
I want to hear Bart saying, “Tsuyoshi Nishioka.”
"He's [Jose Canseco] built like a Greek goddess." -Sparky Anderson
Weird.
There must be some Packer fans at Google Translate. I typed "I want to hear Brett Favre say, ‘Tsuyoshi Nishioka.’ " because he has that Mississippi accent of his.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 18, 2010 9:11 AM EST up reply actions

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