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2011 Twins Plan

I do believe that this is my first FanPost under my new name, BCTwins.  As I am sure many of you know, I am the former blogger named: 33MorneauMVP.  For those rookies to this site, I have been a proud member and contributor to this site since basically its earliest stages of existence.

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First of all, let me start out by saying that I hope everybody had an enjoyable Thanksgiving holiday that was filled with lots of turkey/ham, stuffing, and everything else that goes with it!  I hope everybody has had some time to relax from work or college, even a few high school people in here I am sure, and spent some time with their families and loved ones.

Alright, let me start off my 2011 plan for our favorite team.

All reports indicate that the Twins will see an increase in team salary this year, and while I doubt the reports of upwards to $125 million in salary, I would be most pleased with a figure like that.

Twins have already started off the offseason with a pretty significant move (no, not the Eric Hacker move) as they look to upgrade their team.  Twins bid and received negotiating rights with the Chiba Lotte Marines for Japanese 2B/SS, Tsuyoshi Nishioka.  All of a sudden, the Twins seem to be very big in the international players and are not really hesitating on signing a few (e.g. Miguel Angel Sano).

It is obvious that the Twins do not expect Orlando Hudson to accept arbitration, although they offered it to him.  However, Hudson remains one of the prime 2B on the market, so the expectation for him to accept arbitration is a very low percentage.  Prior to receiving the negotiating rights, the Twins appeared to be heading into next year with Alexi Casilla as their regular 2B.  I hesitatingly approved of this, because I do not think Casilla has really been given a chance to show his true promise.  However, with the likely upgrade of Nishioka at 2B, Casilla can move back into the role where he thrived this last season: utility.

Twins will probably offer Nishioka a $3-5 million contract - enough to lure him over the pond, but also not so much to be a drag on the salary if he turns out to be a bust.  So, with 2B already appearing to be crossed off the list, the Twins should begin to focus on a couple of other areas.

Starting rotation seems to be a good spot.  Lots of teams are interested in Carl Pavano, to whom the Twins offered arbitration.  I will not be greatly upset if Pavano accepts arbitration - although I see that as a possible high salary road for him.  However, it appears that Pavs might be looking for a 3 year, $30 million contract.  Astros, Marlins, and a couple of other teams have been looking at Pavano as a solution to some of their rotation woes.  In my mind, I see Pavano leaving the Twins, so I think they should start shopping around for another pitcher.

How would I prefer they solve this problem (trade or free agency)?  I have mixed emotions.  I, of course, would love to see the Twins trade for Zack Greinke (who incidentally I see has the greatest potential of coming to the Twins as opposed to any other team), but I am not so sure I would like to trade away so many prospects for him.  I will attempt to put together a trade here for Greinke, however I do not know precisely what the Royals need.  Royals trade Zack Greinke to the Twins for David Bromberg, Spencer Steedley/Nick Blackburn, Ben Revere, Jason Kubel and Anthony Slama/Burnett/Delaney.  Is that enough to get Greinke from the Royals?  I don't think so - but as I said, I do not know what the Royals are looking for.

I can see the Twins offering an incentive laden deal to former Cy Young award winner, Brandon Webb, who has been nagged by injuries the past two years.  Twins could potentially land Webb (potential #2 pitcher in our rotation) for about $3 million plus incentives (worth up to $4 million) and a second year option.  Either the Twins will go land the big fish via trade (Greinke) or sign the second potentially biggest fish of free agency (behind Cliff Lee), Brandon Webb.

Assuming the Twins either trade for Greinke or sign Webb, they persist in grooming Kyle Gibson in AAA and will possibly call him up in June, or after the All-Star Break in July, when I am sure at least one of our starters will be struggling.

Finally, I wish to address our outfield defense - which I think is a huge problem.  Delmon Young, although he is finally becoming our power-hitting, clutch right handed bat, still cannot seem to track a baseball too well in the outfield (remember Chicago's Dye?)  Span is an average to below average center fielder and Cuddyer/Kubel have horrible range in right field, although it is mostly disguised by the Twins limestone wall. 

There are not many possible solutions to this problem unless we trade away any of Kubel/Cuddyer/Young.  Revere could be our next center fielder with Span moving to right or left, or the Twins could use Revere as the 4th outfielder, defensive sub, pinch runner.  Or the Twins trade both Kubel and Revere to the Royals and sign a defense oriented 4th outfielder from the free agent market (Reed Johnson, Willie Harris, DeWayne Wise, etc.)

Twins bring back Jim Thome on a one year, $3 million deal, to be our platoon DH with Young/Cuddyer against right handed pitchers.  Twins tender a contract to SS, J.J. Hardy and sign a few bullpen pitchers, as well as restocking our bullpen with our minor league system (let us hope that Waldrop is passed by in the Rule V draft!)

Twins starting rotation:

  1. Liriano
  2. Webb/Greinke
  3. Baker
  4. Slowey
  5. Duensing

Twins lineup:

  1. Span - CF
  2. Nishioka - 2B
  3. Mauer - C
  4. Morneau - 1B
  5. Young - LF
  6. Thome - DH
  7. Cuddyer - RF
  8. Valencia - 3B
  9. Hardy - SS

Backup: Wise/Harris/Revere - 4th outfielder, Morales/Butera - C, Casilla - utility

To recap, the Twins potential 2011 pickups:

  1. Nishioka - $3-5 million deal, 2-3 years
  2. Webb - $3 million + incentives  OR  Greinke - Bromberg, Steedley/Blackburn, Revere, Kubel, Slama/Delaney/Burnett
  3. Wise/Harris/Johnson - 4th outfielder ($1-2 million)
  4. Re-sign Jim Thome
Poll
Do you think the trade (Bromberg, Kubel, etc...) for Greinke is enough? Please explain in comments...
Yes
45 votes
Too Much Talent
58 votes
No
88 votes
Undecided
13 votes

204 votes | Poll has closed

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Greinke will cost way more.

Greinke is a cost controlled, front of the rotation pitcher, whom at least 15 teams have been linked too. The Royals do not have to trade Greinke. They can hold on to him for the next two years and let him walk or save him till the trade dead line. The two teams who seem to be linked to Greinke the most are us and the Rangers. If (when) the Rangers lose out to the Yankees for Lee they will turn their attention to Greinke. If we don’t offer huge talent they will just outbid us again like they did with Lee this past year.

I couldn’t find the link to the article that MLBtraderumors had up but it mentioned the Royals wanting a front of the rotation pitcher and quality over quantity back for Greinke. I would guess the starting point of any Greinke trade would be Hicks+Gibson or Hicks+Hendriks+Salcedo. To get an ACE (in the same division much less) it has to hurt. Also, I don’t think Kubel has much if any trade value.

Other than your Greinke trade I rather enjoyed reading your article. Thanks for posting. I 100% agree with you on the infield look and working on the outfield. What do you think about trading for one of Gardner/B.J. Upton/Ellsbury if we are able to move Kuble? All of them are rumored to be on the trading block and none of them will have a huge price-tag. Also, all of them are true centerfielders. An outfield of Young, Span, and one of those three sounds pretty nice to me.

Thanks again for your article,
Cmb0252
P.S. Sorry if this double posts.

by cmb0252 on Nov 27, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

The Royals might demand more than that, but I'm not sure he's worth it.

He’s “cost-controlled,” but not that cost-controlled. He costs something like $26 million over two years. And he’s a very good pitcher, but he’s not in a class by himself. He’d be a great addition, but I don’t think the price is right if we’re talking about sacrificing a top prospect plus other pieces from our org.

by Luke in MN on Nov 29, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That's my sense

He’ll make $26 million while providing $30 million worth of value over two years. The prospects you give up for that $4 million in value are worth more than $4 million in cost savings down the road.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 29, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Grienke is not a proper target for this team at this time IMO

I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!

Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?

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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 27, 2010 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

it's very uncouth. The trade lacks manners! ;)

"I couldn't do that. Could you do that? Why can they do it? Who are those guys?"

by maxisagod on Nov 28, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It's possible

He has no defensive value, and he’s not going to be an everyday DH. $3 M would be a 3x salary increase over last year, and it’s not like he suddenly became a future hall of famer this offseason.

Nice to see you again, BC Twins. Good post. How come you changed your name?

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by natetheskate on Nov 28, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess he made 1.7 M last year

Maybe $3M is at the low end, but I still don’t think he’ll get any more than $5M.

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by natetheskate on Nov 28, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I think $4-5M is a better estimate of what he'll get

though he could stay with the Twins for slightly less. I’m pretty sure he liked it here.

by Caleb A on Nov 28, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Greinke would be nice,

but too much talent to be given up. Webb, with a largely incentive oriented deal could get the job done as the # 2.

79-83

by SuperSantana on Nov 29, 2010 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Roberts

I suspect Roberts will get the nod for 4th outfielder and he should. Hopefully Gardy even starts him against lefties and lets Young or Cuddy take over DH on those days.

They will give Revere full time play in AAA, not play him twice a week at the ML level, grooming him as the everyday LF for 2012.

by PinkiePinkerton on Nov 30, 2010 10:50 AM EST reply actions  

It's Repko's job to lose. I'd be shocked if Roberts beats him out

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 30, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Repko wins unless he’s hurt

by DJL44 on Nov 30, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

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