Rays trade
by kisher on Dec 23, 2010 7:52 PM EST
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Print1) Reach arbitration agreements with Delmon Young ($5.25M), Kevin Slowey ($2.75M), and Alexi Casilla ($800K).
2) Sign Francisco Liriano to 4 year plus vesting option (625IP or 105 Starts), $45 million (4, 8, 9, 10, {14}) extension.
He is poised to keep getting better and will keep getting more expensive.
3) Trade Jason Kubel, Chris Parmelee, Ben Reeve/Angel Morales, one of Baker/Blackburn/Slowey, Matt Capps & Anthony Slama for BJ Upton, Matt Garza, Ben Zobrist, Alex Cobb and a minor league infielder (Elliot Johnson or JJ Furmaniak)
Know the Rays have said they want to keep starters, but just like anytime if the move comes they have to be willing to make it.
We give up fairly cheap power (Kubel) and speed options (Reeve/Morales) to help replace Crawford and Upton. Give relief help which rays are desperate for, and also give a SP replacement for Garza. We get a speedy with some power CF, which allows us to shift Span over to RF. We get a SP with nice ace potential and also a great utility player who can start at short, which keeps Casilla on bench. Cobb is a projected 2 or 3 starter and Johnson/Furmaniak are both power hitting with ok defense MI’s.
4) Sign Derek Lee to a 3 year 17M (5, 6, 6) contract
Power RH to help in
1) DH
2) Back up for Morneau
3) Power bat off bench
4) Assisting in evening out line-up
5) Sign Bengie Molina to a 2 year $5 million deal.
We need 3rd catcher to back-up Mauer, and since we traded Jose Moralas, Molina is a great pick up. Butera has the defense and Molina can hit at average if not a little above average.
2011 Opening Day 25-Man Roster:
STARTING LINEUP
C: Joe Mauer ($23M)
1B: Justin Morneau ($14M)
2B: Tsuyoshi Nishioka($4M)
3B: Danny Valencia ($450K)
SS: Ben Zobrist ($4M)
LF: Delmon Young ($5.25M)
CF: BJ Upton ($6M)
RF: Denard Span ($1M)
DH: Michael Cuddyer ($10.5M)
(Approx $68.2M)
BENCH
C: Bengie Molina ($2.5M)
IF: Alexi Cassila ($800K)
IF: Luke Hughes/Trevor Plouffe/Matt Tolbert ($450K)
IF: Derek Lee ($5M)
OF: Jason Repko ($600K)
(Approx $9.8M)
ROTATION
SP: Francisco Liriano ($4M)
SP: Kevin Slowey ($2.75M) Nick Blackburn ($3M) Scott Baker ($5M)
SP: Other of above three that isn’t traded
SP: Matt Garza ($6M)
SP: Brian Duensing/Glen Perkins (loser to the bullpen) ($650K/450K)
(Approx $16.2M-18.45M)
BULLPEN
CL: Joe Nathan ($12.5M)
RP: Rob Delaney ($450K)
RP: Pat Neshek ($650K)
RP: Jose Mijares ($450K)
RP: Jeff Manship ($450K)
RP: Loser of Perkins/Duensing($650K/450K)
(Approx $16.9M)
TOTAL 2011 PAYROLL: $111-113M
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I don't see
why we’d give up bullpen help, we need it just as badly as they do, if not worse
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Dec 23, 2010 10:25 PM EST reply actions
just too many players in that trade
I can’t even begin to analyze that thing. I like the idea of Garza/Upton but the I don’t think the Twins would ever try to get Garza back, I don’t think they left on very good terms.
Plus if the Twins were to get rid of Kubel then I’d rather have Thome than Derek Lee. Cuddy can backup 1st just fine and we’d want a lefthanded platoon mate for Cuddy if possibly.
I like the post just a bit too out there to be realistic.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Love the idea of going for Upton
I have been screaming about getting a faster outfield all season. But does Bill Smith listen to me? NO!!
I think we do match up well with the Rays, but I don’t think the Twins would want Garza back. Isn’t one of the reasons they traded him was because of aditude problems? I could be wrong.
Garza
Didn’t pitch the way the coaches wanted him too
Throws too many fastballs for their liking
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Dec 24, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
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I think we could trade capps and slama without to much hestitation for a few reasons. 1) Slama has moderate upside but not a to hot in his first chance at ML level. 2) Capps is more expensive then his ability should be. 3) Hardy was worth his 6/7 mil but was to much for us to spend, so capps could/should/would be too. 4) We can get relief help from farm or late offseason pick ups that will and has always worked.
It is a lot of players but to get 3 starters from rays and GOOD starters at that takes a lot. You can trim some on each side i suppose and do something like
Trade Jason Kubel, Ben Reeve, Slowey, Matt Capps for BJ Upton, Matt Garza and Ben Zobrist.
I agree and know that there would probably be problems regaining garza, but shields or garza are most likely to be traded. If we traded for Niemann it wouldn’t be horrible, we would give a little less up though.
Lets throw in Tolbert
and see if they’ll include Longoria.
Why does Tampa want any of those players? You can’t just say they will need them to replace the players they sent to the Twins. In that case, why do they make the trade in the first place? Since Capps and Kubel are in their last year and are making close to what they are worth, they don’t add much value.
you're right
Trying to sell the rays on replacements for the players they are trading away straight up is dumb. But i am not pitching a straight trade. Kubel is cheaper than Crawford with similar power numbers (Crawford has higher numbers, but that is why he is more expensive). Reeve is cheaper than Upton and Crawford with similar speed. Garza is too expensive for the rays and by giving up a baker or a slowey they get cheaper. The Rays MO is cheap talent. 72M is the highest they have ever spent for a payroll. Twins batting lineup is almost equal to that. They have less talent, but better than their current rosters and they save money, while filling holes.
Kubel wasn't much above replacement level in 2010
due to his poor defense. Being cheaper than Crawford doesn’t make him an acceptable replacement given his salary. Kubel has very little trade value as an outfielder. Why don’t the Rays just keep Upton and play Zobrist in the OF? Kubel makes as much as Upton plus the Rays have a better outfield prospect than Revere. As much as I would love for the Twins to get a good return for some superfluous players, this trade does not make sense for the Rays.
the rays wouldn't trade for a DH like kubel
they have about a dozen regulars that can DH
and you can put it on the boaaaaaard YES, HELL YES
I wouldn't think Bengie Molina
would accept a 3rd string catching job. If I remember correctly, he was a #1 in SF until Posey started lighting it up and then when he was traded to Texas he became their #1. I highly doubt he would want to go from being a #1 to a #3 that quickly. And besides, if we did sign Molina (which we won’t, since the Twins love Butera), he would become the #2 behind Mauer.
"Danny Valencia is a fricking stud! Hide your daughters!"
-Denard Span
I wish SBN had an edit button..
I meant to say that Molina would not accept a 3rd string catching job, since it is pretty much worthless. Forget the part about highly doubting he would want to go from #1 to #3.
"Danny Valencia is a fricking stud! Hide your daughters!"
-Denard Span
One idea I do like...
Is signing Derrek Lee to a multi-year deal (preferably two). A Lee/Thome DH platoon would be quite productive, and it allows us to give Morneau more days off to hopefully prevent the late-season slump he seems to go through when he makes it through a whole season.
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