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Previewing Your 2010 Minnesota Twins: Nick Punto

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This is a series that will truly be kicking off next week, but Nick Punto Day seemed like a perfect time to introduce the series.  That beautiful graphic to your right is called a DiamondView, and it was developed by the incomparable
Justin Bopp of SB Nation's sabermetrics site Beyond the Boxscore.  I'll go over it in brief in each post of the series, but for a detailed explaination of what the graphic with all the pretty colors means, check out Justin's introduction to DiamondView 2.010.  (New this season is also the Pitcher's DiamondView.)  A great thanks to Justin for agreeing to work with me on this, and I don't know about the rest of you but I'm pretty stoked to see what the rest of our Twins look like when he rolls through the AL Central next week.

The purpose of this series will be to preview some of the guys we expect to see in a Twins uniform this year--look at what role(s) they'll play, what their expectations are and what their strengths and weaknesses are as well.  Using Justin's DiamondView is an easy, yet saber-friendly way to express how players grade out for 2010.  The colors represent Punto's placement (i.e. he scores a 70 for getting on base, whereas the player with the best OBP would get top marks) among second basemen (yes, the graphs are adjusted for position).  The shaded area underneath represents the positional average.

Looking at Punto's graphic, what you'll see is that he grades out better than the average second baseman in on-base skills (CHONE-projected OBP), defense (DEF projected by CHONE) and speed (CHONE-projected, excludes range factor and is more a measure of running speed).  No surprise that his power (isolated power projected by CHONE) falls nearly off the scale altogether.

After the jump we'll examine Punto's strengths, weaknesses, expectations and ultimately what his role with the Twins is likely to be in 2010.

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Strengths

A large portion of Punto's value comes, without surprise, on the defensive side of the ball.  His versatility knows no limits between second base, third base and shortstop, where he's logged 1772.2, 1788.1 and 1775 innings respectively throughout his career.  According to UZR/150 he's actually graded out much stronger at short and third, but looking forward it might be second base that suits him best (where range factor insists he has the most range).

While Punto grades out well on the speed scale, this also translates to his range in the field.  He's not the tallest guy, and that limits his reach, but he moves to his left and his right with relative ease and on most occasions if he can get to the ball he'll convert the out.

On the basepaths he's quick, and I can't decide if all the effort he shows in his face makes him look faster or slower.  At any rate he made fewer mistakes on the bases than most last season, even if his gaff against the Yankees in the playoffs is what stands out in our minds.

His one strength on the offensive side of the ball has been his walk rate.  In five seasons with the Twins he's never walked in fewer than than 8.2% of his plate appearances, and last season posted a career-high 13.9% walk rate.  Which is incredible.  In his career he walks one of every ten plate appearances.

Tactically, he can bat from both sides of the dish.  He does well pulling the ball as a right-handed hitter, and he does well going the other way as a left-handed hitter.

Weaknesses

Apart from taking walks, almost the whole of his offensive value is pretty low.  There is no power (career ISO .076), he can struggle to hit fly balls which can result in frustrating streaks of infield flies, and in spite of good plate discipline he can get caught up in the moment and expand his strike zone.  This is especially true when he stands in as a left-handed hitter against right-handed pitching (21.1% strikeout rate, as opposed to just 13.7% as a right-handed hitter versus southpaws).

In the field his biggest weakness is his arm.  With Orlando Hudson locked in at second, Punto's weakness may be exposed a bit at third base, where he'll be forced to throw across the diamond.  Justin Morneau has a good glove at the opposite corner but you really don't want to tempt fate more often than necessary.

Pitching him away when he bats right-handed, and pitching him inside when he bats left-handed are ways to expose his offense even further.  No matter which side of the plate he bats from, Punto struggles to reach base safely when he puts the ball in play that direction:  .272 BABIP as from the right side to right field, .239 BABIP from the left side to right field.

Expectations

Oracle

AB

H

2B

3B

HR

R

RBI

BB

SO

SB

CS

AVG

OBP

SLG

Bill James

328

80

14

2

1

44

26

42

63

12

5

.244

.330

.308

CHONE

392

95

18

3

2

55

33

52

73

13

5

.242

.333

.319

Marcel

395

95

18

3

3

52

36

50

77

15

5

.241

.324

.324

ZiPS

359

90

17

3

2

49

33

45

65

15

4

.251

.331

.331

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Notice how identical all of these predictions are?  All it tells you is that whatever happens, Punto is a pretty sure bet in regards to what you can expect.  Entering his age-32 season he pretty much is who he is, and barring a season where Punto starts bashing out line drive after line drive then this is your guy.

What's His Role?

As much as Punto will always be the benefactor of some Gardy-Love, he's still going to have to earn a starting role in spring training.  With Brendan Harris fresh off of his two-year contract, Punto will need to prove he's the man for the job.  Whether he wins the opening day job at the hot corner or not, Punto's ability to play a number of infield positions well means he's still going to get his share of plate appearances.

It's hard not to bash on Punto a little bit.  At his best he's an on-base machine who can field his position more than adequately, while at his worst he makes horrible contact and is a sure out who at times completely loses any concept of what baseball fundamentals really are.  Popping up a bunt, swinging at the first pitch, sliding head-first into first base...these things will drive you up the wall.

But having a guy like him around to spell your regulars in order to keep them fresh means that, in spite of his drawbacks, Punto carries value.  He's a super-sub, and any competetive team needs role players.  Punto gives Gardenhire options.

He plays with passion and he wears his heart on his sleeve.  He can run and he can field and, PA for PA, he walked more than Joe Mauer last season.  He's exposed as a starter, especially when he hits a slump.  But coming off of the bench and while he's on a hot streak, you couldn't ask for much more.

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I'm not clear on what being in the 70th percentile of On Base

actually means. If it refers to walk rate, then maybe it’s true, but I don’t think it’s accurate to say that Punto is in the 70th percentile of 2nd basemen in on base percentage.

Anyway, thanks for the article. I’ve sort of resigned myself to Punto; I’d much prefer the roster be such that he gets 150-200 PAs, as opposed to the 400+ he’ll probably get, but…they’ve made some good changes and should score runs anyway.

by Eric in Madison on Feb 12, 2010 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

This should help:

It’s from DiamondView 1.0, last season:

For charting purposes, Walter and I determined the best course of action was to adjust each chosen stat to a percentage of the current best player in that stat. The best score in that particular stat would result in a 100%, and everybody below would rank accordingly. Each player should have his 4 stats adjusted to a percentage of the current stat leader.

Now, some problems arise from this method, which are currently being sorted out. The first is that certain stats are dominated so thoroughly by a single person, like Pujols and ISO, that his 100% puts the next-best person at 85%. The best solution for this is to set the percentages to a bell curve to properly represent the spread of talent in the MLB.

An additional issue with this current method is exactly where to set the zero. One player, Adam Dunn, is such a bad fielder that our initial calculation netted a -27%! This looks hilarious in graph form, but may not be very useful.

by Jesse on Feb 12, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

definition of percentile

Thanks for the explanation.

That’s an interesting stat, but an odd use of the word percentile. I would have assumed that “percentile” means the percentage of people you’re better than. This doesn’t show how he compares to the other second basemen in the league at all. It just shows how he compares to one specific other second baseman.

oh, here’s the merriam-webster definition of percentile from m-w.com:

a value on a scale of 100 that indicates the percent of a distribution that is equal to or below it

not to criticize this cool metric. I just wouldn’t call it a percentile.

by by jiminy on Feb 12, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Tha's fair enough, it's my incorrect use of the term, not Justin's.

I’ll have to change the wording in my post. Blame me for that one.

I still think Justin’s graphic is a telling representation of a player’s skills.

by Jesse on Feb 12, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

didn't mean to nitpick!

I’m really glad for the link and the story — sorry to only criticize instead of saying thanks! So, thanks!

by by jiminy on Feb 12, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

"The best solution for this is to set the percentages to a bell curve to properly represent the spread of talent in the MLB"

Yeah dude, that would be better. I don’t really care how good a player is compared to the best player at his position—that tells you as much about the best player as it does about the player you’re looking at. Cool graphic, but I hope they change that.

by Luke in MN on Feb 12, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

However you add it up, Punto is near the bottom in OBP at second

In 2009, his .337 OBP is below these seven regular second baseman:

Cano
Pedroia
Zobrist
Roberts
Hill
Callaspo
Kinsler

He’s better than these four :
Polanco
Ellis
Valbuena
Lopez

That would put him in about the 33rd percentile in the league.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Among starters.

These graphics are league wide, and likely include all 40-man rosters and free agents.

by Jesse on Feb 12, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, that's no defense

Sample size counts. Guys who had two at bats and made two outs should be thrown out of the stats.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

In fact,

instead of me fumbling to explain it, check out Justin’s explanation below. He understands his own model better than I do.

by Jesse on Feb 12, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Got it

Makes sense. I was confused because it looks a lot like the scouting reports on milb.com, that give players numbers from 1 to 100 based on their OBP, SLG, defense, etc. If you rank Punto on that scale against major leaguers, he’d be above average on defense and speed and below average on OBP and SLG. Andyway, no need to waste more keystrokes on this.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to say

If a career .322 OBP is in the 70th percentile, something’s wrong with the sample size. I would have thought 35th percentile.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but there are intangibles.

What statistic can quantify his value as the Tiniest Superhero?

http://www.realityfish.com

by Robin G on Feb 12, 2010 8:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Oh please

Superheros don’t make giant blunders like this:

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

My first post of hating was at 2:00 a.m

I’m just gettin’ warmed up.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha!

I miss bat-girl!

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 12, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh, bad memories, bad memories!

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by fischean on Feb 12, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Punto Hate!!!

This is definitely not my original thought as I’ve heard it many times but the main hatred for Punto has been his misuse rather than how he plays. He’s been great in a utility role and as the no. 9 hitter on this team, he’ll be fine, if not better than most 9 hitters in the league.

The fact that we have Harris to push him for playing time if he’s at his worst and Valencia looming at AAA we should be alright if Punto forgets that it’s an even year.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Feb 12, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, that was my main critique from the other thread, reproduced here

Career OPS + of 73. But I don’t hate him because of that. Lots of decent utility players have similar or lower career OPS + . Denny Hocking, for example, had a career OPS+ of 69. And I never hated Denny Hocking. The difference between Punto and Hocking in my opinion is two-fold:

1. Approach: Hocking respected the game and did everything with sound fundamentals. He was nothing if not fundamentally sound. Punto deviates from fundamentals as often as he follows them. Sometimes I think the few times he does things in a fundamentally sound way, he does it by accident. Punto’s supposed to be one of the veteran leaders on this team. Every kid coming up who sees him sliding into first or fouling a bunt off his face has to totally disregard the hours of extra work Gardy’s staff does on the "little things". Punto’s very existence on this team and in this line-up renders "the Twins way" a total farce.

2. Playing time: Hocking was never given a starting job at any one position. A couple of years, he was kind of like a starter because he started 2/3 of the games. But he did so at nearly every position on the diamond. Punto has been handed several starting roles out of spring training (one at second—05, one at third—07, on at short—09). In each case, he has failed so miserably, he had to be replaced. In one case—07, he was allowed to start more than 120 games at third while sucking so bad for his position, he was arguably the worst player at third in the history of the game (OPS+ of 53 at a position where average is 110). In another case—09—he started almost a half a season while being arguably the worst short stop in Twins history, and that’s saying something (OPS+ of 39 when average is 90).

I guess I can’t really blame Punto for getting opportunities when he doesn’t deserve them. That’s on Gardy, primarily. If he was just another Hocking—a bench player and nothing else—I suspect nobody would have a problem. He probably would be universally beloved as a gritty underdog. If he never got regular starting duties at any one position, Punto would be one of the better utility guys in Twins history. But he’s not. Gardy makes comments like he’s "the second best athlete on the team," with guys like Morenau and Cuddyer on the team. And he’s been rewarded with big contracts for his position (all-star dollars) for being below replacement level for most of his career. That’s not an underdog, that’s a guy who’s possibly the most overrated player in the game.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you to an extent

You have to blame Gardy for trotting him out every day in some circumstatnces. 2007 is exactly that when he struggled to be at the Mendoza line only to be sent out every day despite a huge upgrade (sadly) in Brian Buscher.

Punto is a decent utility player. He can play anywhere with relatively decent defense (though his defense is overrated in most circles. His arm is poor and he makes too many mental lapses.). He should be a good defensive sub and a nice stop gap solution for short injuires and keeping guys rested. He also tends to play better when he isn’t handed a starting role. I hope Gardy keeps in and Harris in a platton and doesn’t hand Punto the 3B job. I’d also like to see what Harris can do with consistent playing time, as I think he may be a decent player.

I also agree with Bonnes that Punto’s OBP is nice from the 9 spot. His job is to not make many outs and turn over the lineup. If his BA rises to 2008 levels and he keeps that walk rate up, I’ll be very happy to have him batting 9th all the time as he’s have a .360+ OBP out of that spot.

Bottom line is this… I don’t like him as an every day starter. He’s a very solid contributer as a backup/defensive sub. I suspect he’d even get some defensive substitutions in the OF this season if he has decent range.

by diehardtwinsfan on Feb 12, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

That's right

I don’t disagree with anything you say. It’s just maddening when the manager doesn’t see it and the front office gives him a a contract equal to the best second baseman on the market when utility players are a dime a dozen.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Keep in mind that Punto was coming off of a 2.5-WAR season.

At $4 million a year for even 2-WAR, that’s a bargain.

Having said that, I wasn’t a fan of the contract, either.

by Jesse on Feb 12, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

The year after he had like a minus infinity WAR season

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2010 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Fangraphs has Punto's 2007 listed at positive 0.7 WAR

and when I saw that I was absolutely shocked. They say he has had a positive WAR (not very positive outside of 2006) every season he has been with the Twins.

by ckb on Feb 12, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Product placement

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by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

My avatar is perfect for today...

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by fischean on Feb 12, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Punto LOVE!

Just in time for valentines day.

He can be the worst hitter on my team any day. Last September he was looking like a fierce, locked-in slap hitter. I want to see that again. I think this year we’ll see anything we get from him at the plate as a bonus and we’ll learn to stop worrying and love the Punto.

by Luke in MN on Feb 12, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

Well said
…learn to stop worrying and love the Punto.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"All morons hate it when you call them a moron." -Holden Caufield

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 12, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thought I should chime in -

Any quotes from the original DiamondView article are probably moot at this point, other than establishing how it was developed and the original goal.

It’s worth nothing that DiamondView 2.010 examines 794 eligible players, which means that nearly every starter, his backup, and his backup’s backup is included (save for some wonky catcher playing time issues that I keep running into).

The point is that anything below the 80th percentile range is really not very good—it’s just as likely one might find a backup on another team with a better projection for whichever stat we’re looking at.

I don’t have the data in front of me, but if we pretend there are 90 eligible 2Bs, a 70th percentile would mean he would rank 27th in that category (which would mean that only three other starters are projected to be worse).

Obviously, his rank would rise or fall depending on how many we’re looking at.

by Justin Bopp on Feb 12, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

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