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Twins Spring Training Position Battles

It's a bit of a different game this year.

In the last few seasons when we talked about position battles in spring training and who was going to be the 25th man, it was because the Twins had a lot of depth in the minor leagues that could flesh out a roster.  This year there are battles because the Twins have a lot of depth on their major league roster, and this is something we already know--there won't be enough roster space to take north all of the names we recognize.

The biggest battles and the players involved, after the jump!

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Third Base - Nick Punto, Brendan Harris, Matt Tolbert, Daniel Valencia

When we talked to Rob Antony, he seemed to have a lot of love for Harris.  We know Gardy has love for Punto.  One of these two guys, barring an injury or a big spring by Valencia, will be the starter while the other takes up a bench spot.  It's also very possible that Gardenhire puts both Harris and Punto into a plattoon situation, with Brendan getting starts against southpaws and Punto getting the nod against right-handers.  Either way, these two will be the positions primary players (at least from opening day).

The Final Bench Spot - Matt Tolbert, Alexi Casilla, Jacque Jones

Spring training is less about results than it is process, mental attitude and what you show.  Particularly if the Twins decide to hand the starting third base job to Harris, with Punto on the bench as a super-sub it's plausible that a great spring from Jones could land him on the four-man bench.

But it's not likely.  The reality is that of the guys that have a realistic shot to go north, Casilla is the only one who really doesn't have a choice.  Jones isn't on the 40-man roster (and that, more than anything else, makes his coming north a problem) and Tolbert has an option left.  Out of options, if the Twins don't take him along to Minnesota, then it means they've made another decision on Casilla.

5th Rotation Spot - Francisco Liriano, Glen Perkins, Brian Duensing, Anthony Swarzak

Following his performance over the winter and with the most upside in the bunch, Liriano has to be the favorite for this slot.  In descending order, from Perkins through Swarzak, these three will have to take advantage of a terrible Liriano spring if they're going to win this job.

The Final Bullpen Spot - Liriano, Perkins, Duensing, Swarzak, Pat Neshek

Out of the seven available spots, six are all but guaranteed:  Joe Nathan, Matt Guerrier, Jon Rauch, Jesse Crain, Jose Mijares, Clay Condrey.  The five guys above (well, four considering one will be in the rotation) have their work cut out for them.

With Neshek shaking off a little rust and likely starting the season in Rochester, the field is narrowed down to three options.  Depending on the Perkins situation it could even be narrowed down to two, but he as well as Duensing and Swarzak all have options remaining.  This is where the guy who shows he's ready simply wins the job--there aren't complications of options or incumbants as there will be with the position player battles.

We'll take closer looks at these battles as we move through spring training.

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I think these battles are indicative of a very good team.

Especially with the pitching, what we’ll get is the player from those groups who seperates from the pack and seems to have his best game on. That’s a much better proposition that just being stuck with one or the other of them.

There also seems to be a touch of excess in the system (maybe a Casilla, a Perkins, etc.) that could be dealt to get another piece of the puzzle.

And you didn’t note the backup catcher battle, but that’s potentially interesting too.

by Luke in MN on Feb 23, 2010 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

Oh yeah!

That backup catcher battle is huge between Ramos and Butera this spring. Totally slipped my mind…

by Jesse on Feb 23, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Two things

First Jones is a left handed bat, with Thome and Kubel (punto) you don’t need another Left handed bat on the bench. Second, I think the Bullpen only has 3 safe spots, Nathen, Guerrier, and Rauch. To me Perkins, Duensing and Neshek are just as good as Crain, Mijares and Condry, with Slama, Delaney and Burnett close behind.

by b1 on Feb 23, 2010 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with your first point.

The second point, yeah, the Twins have a lot of bullpen arms that are on the verge of being ready…but none of the trio you mentioned will have much of a shot to make the team. And Mijares is fantastic, I’m not sure how you lump him in with the rest of that group.

Crain is going to be with the club as well. If the Twins didn’t want him in the ‘pen, they wouldn’t have tendered him a contract. The same with Condrey. They’ll both be in as well, barring injury.

by Jesse on Feb 23, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I lumed Mijares in because

Perkins, Liriano, Duensing are all top notch pitchers and two of these guys have a shot to bet out Mijares. The chances are low but if you had to pick one of the 4 or 2 of the 4 which to do you pick. Me Liriano and Perkins.

by b1 on Feb 23, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Twins FO

would not do that. Mijares is a really good trust worthy left handed set up pitcher. Sure, he arrived late, will take some punishment, but he will break camp with the Twins. Twins do not demote a guy who has been one of the best setup options for them the last year and a half.

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by BCTwins on Feb 24, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed but,

If Liriano wins 5th spot and Duensing goes to Rochester to start, then they have a problem with Perkins. If Mijares is the lefty set-up and If they don’t trade Perkins then he(Perkins not Mijares) gets demoted or punished as you stated? Someone has to go. This is why I’m not sold on Condry as a sure thing to make the team. Does Mijares have options? I think so. Who’s going to be the odd man out and why? I’m fine with Mijares, to me his downfall will be not throwing strikes.

by b1 on Feb 24, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Perkins has an option

He may not like it, but the Twins are within their rights to send him to Rochester this spring.

I would guess that Mijares also has an option (he stuck with the big club pretty quickly after coming up initially), but he’s been solid enough the last two years that I doubt they send him down just to send a message or appease Perkins. Mijares is their best lefthanded pitcher, period, and I would be pretty shocked if he doesn’t make the roster.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Feb 24, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

All about performance

I don’t think Mijares has proven enough in his short tenure in the majors to be guaranteed a job. If Perkins pitches better than Mijares, they’ll option Mijares. JC Romero looked “untouchable” once upon a time.

by DJL44 on Feb 24, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

"Yes" with a "but"

I agree with you that it’s all about performance. However, I don’t know how much the Twins really consider Spring Training performance in their evaluations. Previous Spring Training “competitions” in my memory are usually not directly determined by game results in preseason games (Exhibit A: Bartlett vs. Castro). I think the fact that Mijares has been demonstrably better than Perkins in their brief major league careers will (and should) be a bigger factor than who pitches better in 20 innings in Florida, unless the differences in performance are huge.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Feb 24, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

If they both have options they can go on the Rochester shuttle

Players generally don’t play themselves into a spot in spring training but they can play themselves out of a job. If the Twins want Perkins to start he’ll probably end up at Rochester.

by DJL44 on Feb 24, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Perkins, Condrey and Neshek all have an option

My guess is two of the three will make the team. The third will be depth in Rochester.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 24, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

11 man staff?

I know Rob Anthony said it would be a 12 man staff, and it usually is, but isn’t there a chance the Twins only take 11 pitchers north? this would allow Casilla and Jones/other backup OF to make a 5-man bench (with limited Thome as 1 of the 5)?

Granted, that makes the bullpen spots that much harder to narrow down, but they starters are pretty solid, and the bullpen is MUCH stronger overall than last year…I just don’t think there will be enough work for 12 pitchers.

by AM. on Feb 23, 2010 6:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

All short guys.......

If Guerrier had stayed the long man, maybe…with Rauch and Mijares as set-up and Crain doing a couple of innings. If you ahd a long lefty (Perkins) instead on Condrey. But with all six of the main guys being one inning wonders, so to speak, the lone slot is for a guy who can eat up innings in a short start or a blowout.

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by rosterman on Feb 23, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Condrey

According to Jesse’s interview with Rob Antony, one of the things they like about Condrey is that he can serve in the long role – Rob made a comment about him potentially making 3-inning appearances when necessary. I don’t think they’ll make the last bullpen spot decision based on having a “long man”, although most of the candidates for that role do have starting experience.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Feb 24, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Bench

If you’re going to put Jacque Jones on the list, don’t you have to include Charlton Jimerson too?

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by twikipedium on Feb 23, 2010 6:59 PM EST reply actions  

No

He’s not invited to the big league camp. So his shot of making the team out of spring training is nil.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 23, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No way Valencia

breaks camp. No way. He can hit .667 and Gardy will stick with the veterans. 3B will be Punto and Harris, with Punto filling in around the infield a couple times a week. Gardy has all veterans out there, just the way he wants it.

by Old Twins Cap on Feb 23, 2010 9:59 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think it's likely

But judging by what Gardy and Antony said in recent interviews, he has a good chance to make it. Perhaps they’re just trying to motivate him. I don’t know.

On a related note, a close personal friend of Danny’s e-mailed me to say that the Twins put zero pressure on him to play in winter ball. He played because he wanted to and he had a great time and made a lot of friendships. The friend also told me he would not be surprised if he started in Rochester.

I only speculated about it because I thought Danny was needed in September after Crede went down. So it was puzzling why they didn’t call him up despite Gardy specifically asking for him. Instead the organization decided to go with Tolbert. No one knows why, except that Tolbert played very well when given the opportunity.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 23, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ron Gardenhire to himself

When he thinks no one is listening

“Well hit to deep left field…It’s gone! A home run! The Twins win! The Twins have won the World Series! Touch ’em all Ron Gardenhire! Oh my!” (Crowd cheers loudly as Gardy trots along the baseline)

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"All morons hate it when you call them a moron." -Holden Caufield

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 23, 2010 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

I was going to write a different caption

“O fart. I tried to hit a fungo and I hit it straight up in the air again.”

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 23, 2010 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

HA! Funny!

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"All morons hate it when you call them a moron." -Holden Caufield

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 24, 2010 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha, that's EXACTLY

what I thought of when I saw that picture.

“Whoops popped that one straight up!”

by werddrew on Feb 24, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

whoops!

there I go doing my Nick Punto impersonation again!

by montanatwinsfan on Feb 26, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

"damn!

another pop up! I have to get on top of the ball…I have to practice what I preach."

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

by BCTwins on Feb 26, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

"I have to work on my bunts!"

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

by BCTwins on Feb 26, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If one is including Swarzak in the battle for the #5 spot...

…then I think Manship also needs a mention. In reality, both Swarzak and Manship have very limited chances of winning the job. Considering last year’s limited experience, both will likely begin in Rochester and be available if needed during the season.

by roger13 on Feb 24, 2010 7:39 AM EST reply actions  

Probable Rochester rotation out of camp

Duensing
Swarzak
Manship
Maroth
Province

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 24, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

They will compete with Province

I wouldn’t be surprised if Fox beats Province out, pushing the latter to a bullpen role.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 24, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

"WTF"?

Is that Les Nessman in that helicopter?
And what the hell is he dropping out the open door?
Shit those are LIVE TURKEYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by montanatwinsfan on Feb 26, 2010 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

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