Does Alexi Casilla Have the Final Roster Spot Locked Up?
He's always been the front-runner.
There's one simple reason Alexi Casilla has been the front-runner for that final bench spot: he's out of options. The Twins are certainly giving him every opportunity to earn it with his play this spring, but in 20 at-bats he's collected just two hits and three walks. You should never put too much stock in spring numbers, but .100/.250/.150 can't be what anybody involved is looking for.
Casilla remains the front-runner because the one guy who could have played him out of that roster spot, Matt Tolbert, is struggling even more on both sides of the ball. Tolbert went 0-for-3 today and remains hitless this spring, although he's still just one good day away from equaling Casilla. But he's struggled in the field as well, and with the Twins able to send him to Rochester this season he's putting pressure on nobody.
The only other infielders, or at least the only other players who can play infield as part of their repertoire, are guys without major league experience and at a big disadvantage for making the roster. Luke Hughes (.350/.350/.650) has no real defensive position and doesn't provide the Twins with much upside from a bench role with how this team is stacking up, and Trevor Plouffe is getting filler time (4-for-11 in 9 games with one walk) and isn't a serious consideration at this point.
There is the curious case of Juan Portes. The 24-year old is also without a legit position, but he's had some real playing time this spring and has punished the ball (.381/.409/.857). In spite of how well he's hit, Portes is the yearly example of why you don't put stock in spring numbers--he's a .276/.335/.418 career hitter in the minors, and hasn't even seen triple-A yet.
Is there anyone else who could even be considered? Would you give a passing thought to Jacque Jones by adding him to the 40-man roster?
There aren't a lot of other options outside of Casilla right now. It seems like being out of options might be reason enough to give him the job.
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I think Luke Hughes should be the guy
over Casilla
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 18, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
+1
We don’t need Defence or Speed off the Bench, that’s what Punto does. We need a Righthanded bat with some pop on the bench. Thome from the left and Hughes from the right. But this wouldn’t happen so I voted for Casilla. Casilla woun’t play and they’ll trade him for a low-A prospect. Then they can bring up Jones, Tollbert ,Velencia or Hughes. I’d also like to see Slama get some respect and get a chance to pitch to some real hitters, not the AAA guys. Waldrop seem to be in the hunt for the long relief spot with Condrey. I didn’t think we needed him and I posted that then. I still think or AAA guys are better then cast-offs, but they love that pro experience. The problem is they last a month or two and get let go for the AAA guys.
by b1 on Mar 18, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
When and if Harris starts out early at 3B
We’d still have the Super Sub utility Nick Punto’s speed and supreme versatility off of the bench
We don’t need Casilla’s speed, we certainly don’t need his bat, the only thing is maybe solid Defense at second
NOPE not enough for me -bye-bye
Wow Blackburn makes nearly identical money as Baker does now....
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 18, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
I couldn't disagree more
With this team, I think the things we need off the bench are speed and defense. I wish Casilla was capable of playing CF then I’d be all for it. I don’t see how Hughes fits on the team right now. He apparently can’t even handle 3B, at least Casilla can pinch run and then shift to any of the infield spots and I’m sure he could handle a corner outfield position if need be as well. My understanding is that Hughes can only handle corner OF.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
The twins
have tried Casilla out in CF. I am not sure what they are saying about his “skills” in CF but I know he has logged a few innings out there this spring.
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by 33MorneauMVP on Mar 19, 2010 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree (we need off the bench are speed and defense)
Who’s comming out of the Game? The starting 9 should play every inning! The only way the bench players will see the field is – Punto (run for Kuble or Play 3B for defence) There’s no reason anyone else would come out of the game. Pinch hit is the only other role off the bench. Out of Jones,Hughes,Valencia,Casilla take the best hitter! Why would Casilla ever see the field? to play defence for Hudson or Hardy??? No way.
This gives Jones and Hughes a real shot at DH or Pinch hitter.
by b1 on Mar 19, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Pinch hitting isn't the end of the line, though.
If you’re pinch hitting in the 8th, or in extra innings…a lot of time you’re going to need someone to come in and play a defensive position after that. Having quasi-positionless players in addition to Thome isn’t a good thing.
A lot of times you don’t need that versatility, but anytime you get into a tactical match (and it happens quite regularly) you need options. With a four-man bench there’s already Thome (no position) and the catcher (who…well, catches). Having another player who is really without position is dangerous, and it’s asking for trouble by putting the manager in a bad position.
Right, the scenario is Thome pinch hits for Punto and will need a pinch runner and defensive replacement.
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I agree, but
Casilla honestly olny plays 2B and Hudson is a switch-hitter and plays good defence. I’m just making the point that, to me Casilla adds very little to the Team and Gardy might go with Jones or Hughes. I do think odds are 85% Casilla makes the team and they move him as the season goes along. Jones could make it interesting if he gets hot. Gardy loves Vets on the Bench.
Casilla at other positions
Casilla played a lot of shortstop in the minors, as recently as two years ago and as high as AAA – it’s not like the position is new to him.
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Yes, but the points is
Hardy is not comming out of the game and if he does Punto goes to short, Harris to third. With Punto you don’t need Casilla. Gardy might go with and extra Bat. Hardy and Hudson have Punto as their back-up, that makes Casilla expendable. He’ll get no play time.
I think this would be true in a video game universe with injuries turned off.
One infield backup doesn’t fly.
Scenario sans Casilla
Punto starts at third. Thome pinch hits for Punto. Harris replaces Thome at third. Hudson twists an ankle.
“Now playing second base for the Twins, Michael Cuddyer.”
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and playing RF?
Jason Kubel, and RP Matt Guerrier hits in the 6th spot.
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by 33MorneauMVP on Mar 19, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Guerrier
would actually hit 2…Cuddy moves from RF-2B (6th spot), Kubel moves from DH-RF (5th spot losing DH), Hudson comes out of the game (Guerrier in to pitch and hits 2nd).
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by 33MorneauMVP on Mar 19, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Casilla can play all over the diamond and in the outfield
He started at short several times this spring, almost every day since Hardy has been out. He’s the best defender we have besides the starters at second, short and third. And he’s a very good base runner.
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Casilla is out of options
He would have to get seriously beat out to lose his spot.That has not happened. To say that Tolbert has “struggled” is to say that the Confederates “struggled” during Pickett’s charge. It’s been an utter miserable failure. I haven’t seen a guy play this bad in a Twins uniform ever. And I have seen some bad players on this team over the years.
Hughes is intriguing, but he really only has one marginally competent position and the number one requirement for the last guy on the bench is defensive versatility. Number 2? Pinch running.
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Bret Boone?
I’m struggling to come up with someone too. Casilla makes the team but he’d better not unpack, if he doesn’t show anything (esp defensively) he’ll be gone soon enough.
I'm only asking b/c I haven't followed it very closely
I never really follow spring training very well because quite frankly I think it’s boring lol…I need REAL baseball soon.
Since we’re talking about “last” roster spots, can anyone tell me how Jacque Jones has done this ST? Does he have a shot at a roster spot or even being called up at some point during the regular season?
A little off-topic, but I’m jw.
Jones is playing well
He will probably still end up in Rochester, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he sees action with the Twins before the All-Star break.
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Good to hear!
I’m pullin so hard for him. I really want him to do well and make it up to the big games.
Thanks for the info.
Hughes, the kid can hit
Does he have a position? I’ll bet he goes down to Roch and management tells him one thing: perfect your fielding at 2B and LF.
If he could play defense, he will stick. If not, he’ll end up in the National League, prolly Pittsburgh.
Casilla and Tolbert are the surprises of the spring. If your position on a Major League Baseball team depended on you showing up and playing inspired baseball, then you lay an egg on both offense and defense, and from both sides of the plate—it really is mystifying.
It’s one thing to go dry on offense, but both of them have been absolute disasters on defense, especially Tolbert. What are they thinking?
Yes he can hit
Problem is, we already have one guy on the bench who can hit but neither field nor run. And if Harris doesn’t win the third base job, we’ll have our right handed batter who’s marginal in the field. Hughes is depth. I’d like to see him play everyday at second in Rochester. Maybe they’ll make a second baseman out of him yet.
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AAAA
Hughes should go to Japan, he’s a classic tweener.
Can't
Yeah, can’t hit like a corner player, can’t field like a tough position…
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by AdamOnFirst on Mar 19, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Well we just gave Harris 3 Million to do that
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Mar 19, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Harris is a competenet, though slow, flielder
Hughes has some range, but he has hands of stone.
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Still remembering
the game in, was it Anaheim? (maybe Oakland) in 2008 on the Twins RNC road trip from hell, the one where Nathan blew like four games. Anyway, Harris is playing third when Nathan fields a bunt and tries to get a force out at third. Harris has his glove turned the wrong way and instead of backhanding the throw, tries a scoop catch. The ball rolls down the left field line and the winning run scores.
As long as everything is a standard straight ahead play, Harris is a ML infielder. It’s when he has to be mobile, improvise or do anything other than a dive that he becomes a liability.
by Old Twins Cap on Mar 19, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
In that same road trip, he was playing short and a runner on second tried for third with an easy hopper to Harris’ left. Somehow he got his feet tangled up going after the ball and everybody was safe.
Punto is the anti-Harris. He’s all improv—doesn’t play a ball the same way twice.
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Quit moving him all over the diamond
Harris probably gets better if he only plays 3B all year – no need to practice the pivot.
The Gomez/Casilla Romper Room Days Are Over
Their enthusiasm was endearing but not quite infectious. It is business time. I can see where you give a deserving veteran the benefit of the doubt in the spring, but Casilla has earned nothing, and sets a bad example for younger players in the system.
Unfortunately, nobody has quite stepped forward to demand the spot, with the recent exception of Luke Hughes’ bat. Certainly not Tolbert. Regardless, whether he goes north or not, barring an injury to a MI starter followed by a remarkable Casilla run, Alexi is not long for the team. Probably a moot point. Let him go north and sit on the bench and get dropped or traded for a player to be named later. No biggie. Bring up Plouffe, or Portes, or Hughes. Whatever —the 25th man.
Casilla is horrible
Do any of you watch the games? Or look at the stats? Alexi should be optioned. He’s had a chance and shown that he ain’t it. Give one of the guys who are actually performing a shot.
Optioned
Yeah, that’s the whole point, he doesn’t have any of those left…
Just like Perkins, they’ll keep Alexi on the roster until either somebody gets hurt and they’re needed or the front office can find somebody, anybody to trade for them.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
by AdamOnFirst on Mar 19, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess I mean designated for assignment
They are optioned by they can be picked up by any of the other MLB teams as well.
No...
No, optioned means you have them on the 40-man and you’re assigning them to a minor league team, which consumes one of their 3 option years. Without options, you have to waive them to send them down.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
Ok
Thank you for the clarification in terms. What does “designated for assignment” mean?
DFA means the club removes him from the 40-man roster
and then has 10 days to decide what to do with him—trade him, release him to place him on waivers.
If the player passes through waivers, the played can accept the assignment to the minor league team if he wants to stay with the club…or he can become a free agent if not.
If the player gets claimed on waivers, it’s up to the Twins and the club that claimed him to work something out…usually for $100 or something.
Stats?
Do you really think a handful of spring training at bats means anything? If so, you must also think that Curtis Granderson and Torii Hunter should be sent to the minors.
I agree that Casilla isn’t ideal, but that’s because he’s never been very good, outside of a hot streak in 08. But, because there aren’t any overwhelmingly better options, and we lose him if he doesn’t make the team, I don’t see why he doesn’t go North with the team.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Mar 19, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
They should
for guys like Casilla. And even more so for Tolbert.
Gardy will find a way
to bring both Ramos and Butera north.
Not a chance
Not a chance with Morales looking to be back in May.
Condrey
Interesting. I assume he’ll go north, but could he be on the quick bubble? Still think Neshek will start at AAA, which means two roster sports for Duensing/Perkins or Swarzak, Slama, Waldrop.
What ever happened to Ron Mahay?
Any, hey, could Jose Mijares start at AAA and Jose Lugo make the show?
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What ever happened to Ron Mahay?
I believe he’s still looking for work.
Any, hey, could Jose Mijares start at AAA and Jose Lugo make the show?
um.. Why would they even consider doing something like that?
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Mar 19, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Mijares will be with the Twins.
He hasn’t been so bad that they need to think about leaving him off the 25-man roster.
Lugo was already optioned, Mijares is safe
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11 pitchers is possible
But with Nathan out I bet they go with 12
What's going on?
I delete three an hour, 40 in the last five days.
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Yes
It was immediately below a spam post, which was at the bottom of the page at the time – my guess is that ghost just typed into the reply box at the bottom of the page instead of hitting “reply” first.
By the way, I managed to learn from this thread that if you reply to a post that is deleted, your reply is deleted, too, so don’t say anything especially witty to spammers if you want it to be recorded for posterity.
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What about a backup outfielder?
I haven’t heard anything about the Twins carrying an extra outfielder for insurance in case an outfielder gets injured during the course of a game or Gardy wants to pinch hit Thome for Delmon in a late game situation. As far as I know, the only players on the roster that Gardy would feel comfortable playing in the outfield are Span, Cuddy, Young, and Kubel. With Kubel being primarily a DH, don’t we need an outfielder on the bench for insurance on the days that he DH’s (which will hopefully be most days since his range is very limited)? If so, would you keep Jacque Jones or someone else?
That's part of my question.
If you want Jacque, you have to add him to the 40-man roster. You’d also be forced to go with one backup IF, which the Twins don’t like doing. Signing Thome put some stress on the Twins bench.
I am sure
Casilla would be the backup option for any of the outfield positions. Gardy has already had him in CF and I believe once in LF, so they are obviously trying him out in the OF. If he proves that he can handle it, then Casilla can play SS/2B/3 OF quite competently which makes him a lot more valuable than Punto/Tolbert.
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by 33MorneauMVP on Mar 19, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Punto
Has played some outfield in the majors. I remember at least one game WAY back in the day. But let’s hope it doesn’t come to that…
what do you mean
by “played”? If you mean appeared in the outfield, I will grant that. Anything more than that is preposterous!
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by 33MorneauMVP on Mar 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think they worry about him in the outfield
He has the range and a decent arm. I’d like to see him get some game action this spring out there, just to shake of some rust.
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Punto
a decent arm?
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by 33MorneauMVP on Mar 19, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant Casilla
Punto’s arm is OK. Last year, he was hurt. I heard he’s back to normal, but he’s always been injury prone.
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How many pitchers are we going to use?
I know Gardy normally likes an 11 man staff, but some have speculated that with the potential loss of Nathan the Twins will carry 12 pitchers. I think with the need for an actual outfielder (not Punto, Casilla, or any other guys with extremely limited outfield experience), it becomes imperative that the Twins are able to get by with 11 pitchers so they can have that extra guy on the bench that we would actually be comfortable with in the outfield. I don’t know whether that guy is Jones or someone else, but I for one am not comfortable with Nick Punto as our first option off the bench to play the outfield.
12
They have said we will definitely use a 12-man staff. Which is what they used last year, except for a couple of weeks of the season when we had a lot of days off.
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I think there's about a .5% chance of that happening...
Pretty much everyone has reported, and front office members have flat-out stated, that they will carry 12 pitchers.
I agree...
with many of the thoughts here. Casilla hasn’t played well, but he’s still the best in-house option for that 25th spot, mainly due to his defense and speed. He is probably the 2nd fasted guy on the team after Denard Span. And he might be our best base stealer, which is not unimportant for a team that figures to get Jim Thome something like 300 ab’s and a lot of PH opportunities. Most of the time that Thome pinch hits, or late in any game that he DH’s, you’re going to have to run for him. There’s no one on the 40-man who would be a better candidate for those situations than Alexi Casilla.

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