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Is Ron Gardenhire To Blame For Joe Nathan's Injury?


Ron Gardenhire's Usage Tendencies: AKA, How to Ruin Relievers Careers 101, and why Joe Nathan's injury happened in the first place.

Since taking over the helm of the big league club in 2002, Ron Gardenhire has received tremendous praise for his teams play. He is someone held in high esteem throughout the game of baseball. Gardy has also generally had some of the strongest bullpens in baseball. Rarely was this more true than in the early years when the bullpen featured Eddie Guardado as it's closer with Juan Rincon, JC Romero, LaTroy Hawkins, and Johan Santana as reliable setup men.

As the years wore on the names changed - Johan moved to the rotation where he became the best starting pitcher in baseball for a number of years, Hawkins signed with the Cubs, Romero was traded and Rincon fell apart - many speculate due to his steroid use, or lack-there-of. New names replaced the departed, Joe Nathan became the new closer, Pat Neshek, and Matt Guerrier emerged from obscurity, but the drum beat simply marched on. New names, largely the same results.

Something else has stayed the same as well however, and it's a tad more sinister. I'm referring to the aforementioned managers usage tendencies in regards to his setup men. While Gardenhire has generally steadfastly refused to use his closer in non-save situations (Nathan has appeared in 70 games just twice in his six years with the Twins), and was loath to use him for more than three outs - he has never minded abusing his setup men. It's a pattern that has borne itself out time and again.

While Twins fans have every right to believe that long-time setup man Juan Rincon's deep and drastic decline that began after his phenomenal 2004 campaign was due to his PED use, what if there was another, more likely explanation? Could it simply be that Rincon was ridden too hard? In 2004, Rincon appeared in 77 games, 2nd most in baseball. In 2005 and 2006 he pitched in 75 games each, placing 6th and 3rd overall respectively. Or put another way, he pitched in more games than any other pitcher in baseball during that time frame.

While Rincon's number's slid in 2005 and 2006, they fell of a cliff in 2007 and never came back. PED's are perhaps an easy excuse, one that makes the player the criminal, and gives fans who are disappointed in a players performance an easy target. But the more likely culprit in my mind, is the manager who insisted on running his best non-closing reliever onto the field nearly every other game. It should have surprised no one should Rincon have simply fallen apart from overuse had no PEDs ever been used.

That Rincon managed to escape without suffering a devastating injury should be considered impressive. Other Twins pitchers who have fallen into Gardy's usage crush have not proven so lucky.

We'll begin our retrospective with Jesse Crain. Crain, who many Twins fans love to hate now, was once one of the organizations most promising pitching prospects. He possessed a live arm and a very good curve ball/slider combination. After pitching in 22 games out of the bullpen for the Twins in 2004, and another 41 for the Red Wings, Gardy increased his workload to 75 games in 2005 - as a 23 year old. The 75 games that year would be good for 6th most in the league, and his 79.2 relief innings were more than anyone else in the Twins bullpen - even the significantly overworked Rincon logged only 77.0 innings.

One must wonder if it ever occurred to anyone within the organization to blow the whistle. That maybe, just maybe, taking a kid who had logged just 39.0 innings at AA in 2003, and then doubling his innings, while more than tripling this total outings, and shooting him to the Major Leagues in the process the very next year might be a concern. We'll never definitively know the answer to the question, but it deserves to be asked.

While Crain's total appearances would decline in 2006 to JUST 68, his overall workload of 76.2 innings remained almost the same. Then, after 18 games in 2007, Crain felt soreness in his shoulder. It turned out to be a torn rotator cuff AND labrum. For Crain to simply have a chance to return to baseball, he'd have to brave two of the three toughest rehabs a pitcher could undergo. And he'd have to do it all at once. Crain would make it back though and in 2008, just as the next overused Twins reliever was preparing to fall victim to Gardy's pattern of overuse.

When Jesse Crain finally, and probably fairly predictably succumbed to injury in 2007, and with Juan Rincon's production in free fall mode, the Twins found themselves in desperate need of someone who could be relied upon to setup Joe Nathan's single inning saves. Enter: Pat Neshek.

The day Pat Neshek arrived with his funky sidearm delivery in mid 2006 is the same day American League hitters learned that there was more than one way to skin their bats' cats. Gardenhire and the Twins faithful's prayers were answered. There has long been some weird belief within the Twins broadcasting crews that Pat Neshek struggled against left-handers - a belief probably first voiced by his manager in 2006. A belief based more on guesswork than fact. In truth, Pat Neshek dominated everyone he encountered with near equal aplomb, holding lefties to a .244 average with a 33% K rate in 2006, and only getting better from there.

While Neshek didn't make his first appearance of 2006 until the 84th game of that season - he had pitched in 33 games and 60.0 innings at AAA Rochester - he would go on to log 32 more appearances and 37 more innings. This bringing his season total to a shocking 65 games and 97 innings! While it wasn't quite the shock to the body that Crain received, it was still a significant increase from the 55 games and 82.1 innings he had logged in AA during the 2005 campaign.

From there Neshek would only see his appearance rates increase as Gardenhire fell in love with Neshek in a way I've never really seen. Things got so out of hand that Will Young, a retired Twins blogger who will be a definite first ballot Twins Blog Hall Of Famer (should such a thing ever exist) created one of the most aptly named devises ever and gave it directly to Gardy. While the recap from that link was somewhat tongue-in-cheek when it was written, in retrospect, it exists as a microchasm in cyberspace for all that is wrong with Gardenhire's bullpen philosophy. In 2007 Gardenhire would push the Neshek button 74 more times - that is, until he went down with 13 games remaining with what at the time was called a "dead arm." Had Neshek not gone down with the dead arm and instead continued to be used at the same rate he had been, he would've pitched in a mind-boggling 80-81 games.

Neshek had been pitching with this dead arm for his last 25 games or so, as he saw his production fall off the map. During the first 49 games of 2007, Neshek was his regular dominant self, posting a line of;

1.48ERA - .147BAA - 60K/16BB 48.2IP

Then came the final 25 games before being shut down;

6.23ERA - .278BAA (.868OPS!) - 14K/11BB - 21.2IP

It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

Neshek would come back in 2008, but it was evident that his arm had not recovered completely, and while he was effective enough, he would appear in just 15 games before suffering a torn ulnar collateral ligament that would force him to miss the remainder of the 2008 season, and the entirety of the 2009 season.

Again, one must wonder why this sort of usage was allowed to happen? Obviously others in baseball recognize the need to bring arms along slowly and not subject them to more than their ready for. And generally speaking you hear the same sort of level headed response from Ron Gardenhire. Except when it comes to his primary setup men. For those lucky few, the rules are apparently thrown out.

With Neshek sidelined for the duration of 2008 and 2009, Gardenhire needed yet another new arm to become the teams whipping boy every second day. The lucky contestant? Matt Guerrier. For the past two years, Guerrier had served primarily as the teams long-man, logging 43 and 39 appearances respectively for total of 71.2 and 69.2 innings. Averaging around 2 innings per start (very roughly).

When Crain went down in early 2007, that role changed somewhat. Guerrier continued to log more than three outs on average, but instead of going for 5-6 outs per outing, he started appearing for 3-4 outs. In 2007 Guerrier would pitch in 73 games (7th most in the AL), throwing 88 innings. From there, Guerrier's workload increased even more. When Neshek went down in 2008 with his own career threatening injury, Guerrier logged 76 appearances. That number increased in 2009 to 79 outings! Both his 2008 and 2009 numbers led the AL.

While Guerrier has been able to avoid the same injury fate of those who came before him, he has suffered with regressions. His 2008 second half in particular was abysmal. He suffered from second half regression (exhaustion?) again in 2009, though thankfully for the Twins, and probably Guerrier's career, Bill Smith brought in the cavalry when he traded for Jon Rauch.

For the firs four months of 2009, Guerrier averaged 13 outings per month - appearing in a mind boggling 52 of his teams 103 games: AKA OVER HALF! While Guerrier would continue to appear in nearly half the teams games even after Rauch was brought on board - it was for less time per outing. While he had averaged slightly more than an inning pear appearance before Rauch, he would average less than an inning per appearance afterward. Mercifully, 9 of his final 27 games were stints of less than three outs.

Should Guerrier prove to be human after all and suffer an injury this season - which should almost be expected at this point - it could prove to be the death knell for a bullpen already beleaguered by the loss of it's closer.

All of which of course brings us to the man everyone cares most about, Joe Nathan.

Joe Nathan, the man Gardenhire fights like mad to protect. The one who is seldom allowed to pitch for more than one inning at a time, or in non-save situations. Gardenhire insistence on NOT using Nathan in anything other than a three out save situation is a large reason for the other pitchers overuse. Every time Gardenhire insists on warming up his setup man de jour, he forces that pitcher to expend valuable effort, regardless of whether he comes in. Pitching a third of an inning in a firemans role to simply get a game to Nathan forces that pitcher hurry his warmup and come in perhaps colder than desired. This is something that was common place for the Rincon's, Romero's, Crain's, Neshek's, and Guerrier's of the bullpen world. Whereas Nathan would generally have the luxury of being able to warm up at his own pace while watching the Twins bat prior to his upcoming save situation.

But last year wasn't quite normal. The Twins for the first time in a long time didn't have a prototypical setup man. Guerrier did his best to fill the role, and did so as well as his limited talents would allow. Indeed, he did so superbly. But the lack of depth in the bullpen often meant that Gardenhire was forced to use Guerrier and Nathan more extensively than perhaps he would've otherwise.

Remember earlier in this piece when I mentioned that Joe Nathan had only twice pitched in 70 games in a season? Well, would anyone care to venture a guess as to how many he pitched last year? If you answered 70, you were either cheating or have a freakishly good memory. Either way I applaud you. Now, who remembers Nathan's mammoth 53 pitch effort on August 21st against the Royals? In that game he threw 24 more pitches than he had in any other game of the year. Indeed, the only other time in Nathan's Twins career where he threw 40 or more pitches was on September 3rd of 2008 at Toronto.

I tell you all of that to tell you this. That game, was the beginning of the end, because that was the game where Joe Nathan hurt himself. The Twins would go on to win that fateful game in mid-2009 5-4, and indeed, without it, there would've been no playoffs, there would've been no game 163. But it was the beginning of the end. While we can't be sure when the Twins were made aware of Nathan's injury, or even that he suffered it during that game, even the casual observer could see that Nathan was less than 100% from then on.

Before the 53 pitch game, Nathan was in the midst of perhaps his best year ever, his line was;

46.2IP - 2HR/11BB/61K - .160BAA - .463OPSA

After that game his line was;

22.0IP - 5HR-11BB-18K - .193BAA - .716OPSA

The batting average against might not look much different, but his strikeout, walk, and homeruns rates were all WAY off. Nathan was pitching hurt - and me saying that should come as no shock to anyone who was paying attention.

As I think we all know at this point, there is widespread belief that injuries to pitchers occur primarily when a pitcher is throwing with a tired or sore arm. One that causes his mechanics to change and in turn, creates stress on joints, tendons, and muscles that they are not accustomed to. The general idea being something like limping with your arms. If you've ever suffered any kind of leg injury (and that should include just about everyone I would imagine) then you know what it's like when  you have a bum wheel. You compensate in other ways. You adjust the pressure you put on the other leg and this in turn leads to soreness and fatigue in the non-injured leg. Well, much the same is true of pitchers arms.

When an arm is tired, the ligaments in the elbows and the muscles in the shoulders pay the price.

If you're a Twins fan, you've bore witness to this over, and over, and over again. And while I'll stop this piece short of accusing Gardenhire of knowingly putting his pitchers at risk - it's time that this was issue was brought up. Because knowingly or not, Ron Gardenhire's use of his bullpen pitchers is leading to injury after injury of key personnel. Or at least that's what I've come to believe.

What say you?






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It's possible

You have laid out a potentially persuasive case. But before I get on that bandwagon, I would like to see a comparison of injury rates between Twins pitchers and those of other clubs over the same period, possibly with correlations among other pitchers with high work rates. Arm injuries are pretty common in MLB. I haven’t seen any information that says one way or the other that the Twins have had more than their share over the last several years.

The only stat that counts is W

by wayback on Mar 20, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

At the risk of sounding

selfish & overly-simplistic:

 I’d rather win ballgames.

"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series

by WindyCityTwinsFan on Mar 20, 2010 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem with that however, is that it’s valuing the short term over the long.

Put another way – if over using Rincon led to overusing Crain, which led to over using Neshek, which led to over using Guerrier, which led to over using Nathan… doesn’t that actually cost the team wins since those pitchers all either suffered dramatic performance drops or long-term injuries?

I’m not here to decide whether or not that’s the case, at least not in this piece of work, simply to open the mind to the idea that there might be something worth paying attention to.

Corey Ettinger writes for Infieldirt.com, a site that is primarily Twins related, but which has frequent notes, stories, and thoughts from other teams around baseball, with a focus on the AL Central. If you live in the Fargo area, you can listen to Corey on the Derek Hanson show every Tuesday at 3:30 on AM1660.

by Corey Ettinger on Mar 20, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No it's not

“The problem with that however, is that it’s valuing the short term over the long.”

 Let’s identify the basics:
- These are professional athletes being paid very, very well for a job that they may perform well at for as little as a few years, or possibly for many years if their bodies can maintain peak form.
- The players make up a team with one goal in mind – winning championships.
- The manager’s job is to lead the players to their goal.
- The club’s general manager is tasked with providing players to the manager that he can use to reach the goal.
- The championship is only reached if the team can progress through the playoffs. The playoffs must be reached by either winning the division, or by winning more games than all of the other divisional 2nd place finishers after the regular season, the longest & most grueling portion of a championship run.

 The manager has to put the right players in the right positions to win the games required to get the team to the playoffs. If he’s not doing this, he’s cheating everyone – the players, the general manager, and whoever’s paying for all this – yep, the fans, and whatever other sponsors there may be. When he stops using the right player in the game winning circumstance, he risks losing a ballgame & reducing his possibility of getting to the playoffs. If he is running into the circumstance too often where he has to “overuse” a few players, and a few others are being underutilized, then the reasons each of those players are on team in the first place needs to be re-evaluated. If those that aren’t being used are not capable of helping the team win games, then they need to be released and the general manager has to find players to replace them that can fill the voids. He provides the personnel to the manager so that the games can be won.

 I guess what I’m saying is that I’m not going to blame Gardy for using a pitcher that will help him win, that’s his job. If he’s “saving” these people so he doesn’t risk “overusing” them, then there may be no long term to value. Why develop All-Star pitchers that can make the midsummer classic year after year with 1.00 ERA’s if you’re not using them to succeed for the team’s ultimate goal? This isn’t a “player feel good & individual success” league, and if you ask any of them they’d all rather have a ring than an individual achievement award.

 Is it wrong to view relief pitcher’s as an expendable resource? I don’t think so. Not if you’ve got a supply of replacements that meets your demand for open roster spots. That’s why contracts vary in length & value. It’s a job, and they’re being paid very well for it – if they don’t like it, they can go get a job elsewhere like the rest of us.

"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series

by WindyCityTwinsFan on Mar 21, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes it is

nothing in this response answers his point that choosing short term benefits can have long-term costs. And I find his argument compelling that the costs outweigh the benefits. Sure, in any one year you may get more wins by running out your best set up man until he gets a dead arm. But that is not in the team’s interest if the next year he needs surgery, and you do it again wit the next guy. Ten fewer appearances one year are easily worth 60 appearances the next three years.

Look at it this way. Suppose he’s right, and instead of making your set-up man pitch 77 times and ruining his arm, you pitched him 65 times and he was great again the next year. Imagine a bullpen filled with pre-injury Crain, Neshek, Guerrier, Rincon, and Nathan. I’ll take that any day. That might be the best bullpen in history.

by by jiminy on Mar 23, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This isn't about advocating for the players

Which you somehow seem to think it is. Rather, this is me saying that by using a certain pitcher just 5 fewer times per year – which would likely result in almost no intelligible difference in the W/L column, you could be lengthening the careers of the players available to a manager.

How much better would the 2009 Twins have been with a healthy Neshek for example? Was running Neshek into the ground and watching him get injured worth the small potential gain of using him slightly less?

I agree, players are assets, not friends. At the same time, sometimes doing what is in the best interests of a players HEALTH is doing what is in the best interest of the team.

Would pulling Joe Nathan in his 53 pitch outing last year have resulted in a Twins loss? Possibly (though we can’t say for sure). But if Nathan isn’t left out there for 53 pitches and have gotten injured, would he have not blown some of the games he did down the stretch? Quite possibly (though again, we can’t say for sure).

Would Gardenhire have been out of line for protecting his closer – hardly. It would be a strategic decision. The same concept applies to the guys setting up Nathan – which is really what this article is about.

Corey Ettinger writes for Infieldirt.com, a site that is primarily Twins related, but which has frequent notes, stories, and thoughts from other teams around baseball, with a focus on the AL Central. If you live in the Fargo area, you can listen to Corey on the Derek Hanson show every Tuesday at 3:30 on AM1660.

by Corey Ettinger on Mar 21, 2010 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

It's not Gardy's fault if he doesn't have enough arms out there

Also, how many times have we heard Gleeman and others deride Gardy for not using Nathan enough, i.e. saving him for save situations? It used to be a weekly theme at aarongleeman.com

Pitching is a violent enterprise. Guys get hurt. It’s part of the game. I don’t think you can blame the manager for using his best pitcher 65 times in relief situations. That’s SOP for managers.

If he had used him like Gene Mauch used Doug Corbett, Tommy Johnson or Mike Marshall, (100 appearances a year) I could see your argument. But Gardy and Andy are actually really careful with how they use their closers. The consensus before this injury in the blogosphers has been they’re a little too careful.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 21, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually say just that

That Gardy tends to use Nathan too little, and that by using him so cautiously it leads to other pitchers in the bullpen being overuse and becomin injured. That’s kind of the premise of the article. Nathan’s injury however, was a result of throwing 53 pitches in a non-necessary August win. His resulting injury likely led to this injury. The idea being that – had Gardenhire protected his other relievers, and had they not been injured in the first place, he would’ve never needed to have sent out Nathan for 53 pitches – more than he’d thrown in 7 years.

Corey Ettinger writes for Infieldirt.com, a site that is primarily Twins related, but which has frequent notes, stories, and thoughts from other teams around baseball, with a focus on the AL Central. If you live in the Fargo area, you can listen to Corey on the Derek Hanson show every Tuesday at 3:30 on AM1660.

by Corey Ettinger on Mar 21, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

If pitching 70 innings is too damned stressful for a major league pitcher, what is the alternative? 18 man pitching staffs?

by DJL44 on Mar 21, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

It really isn’t asking too much to pitch 70-80 innings per year. If starting pitchers can go 200 innings, why can’t relievers do a third of that? I understand that they make more appearances, but if they get hurt, it’s either on the pitcher for not being properly conditioned to pitching every other day, or the fact that nobody can predict injuries with any certainty at all.

Also, Corey, it’s a bit disingenuous to say that the Royals game WAS the game that he hurt himself. Everybody knew it was a dumb idea when he was left in there for that long, but it’s highly unlikely that it was that outing that tore his UCL. A ligament can go out from throwing one pitch or 150 pitches. In order to protect some of our relievers last year, we would have had to give more high leverage innings to pitchers like Bobby Keppel and first-half Jesse Crain, and that almost certainly would have a negative impact on the game as opposed to throwing out one of our true setup men.

by JTW on Mar 21, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't say that he tore his UCL then.

read the splits. Nothing wrong of disagreeing or even being critical, but it is wrong to be disingenuous. here is what Corey actually wrote:

While we can’t be sure when the Twins were made aware of Nathan’s injury, or even that he suffered it during that game, even the casual observer could see that Nathan was less than 100% from then on.

And it is the height of naive foolishness (not pointed at you specifically JTW this is as much aimed at rico below) to suggest that these are big leaguers therfore they know the risk and can make adult decisions for themselves.

1) there is incredible pressure to perform, to secure the spot on the team, win a contract, and/or earn a contract. And there is always someone waiting in the wings to take over if you can’t cut it.

2) managers mismanage all the time. Do you think there isn’t pressure on managers to win at the expense of the humans around him? Naive. Dusty Baker and Kerry Wood are only the most obvious and tragic example. It happens in football all the time. The coach tells the training staff to downplay the concussion and send the guy back out.

3) Pressure. teammates, and fans, and coaches tell players to be “dishonest” with their bodies all the time. Look at Hunter’s remarks at Mauer and Morneau their first few years, when every single season Hunter called his teammates out in the press and told them to man up and keep playing through their injuries. How many athletes have taken steroids knowing they are doing long term damage to their bodies, not because they want to take that risk, but because they feel the pressure to do so to stay on the team or in the lineup.

4. Short term win today philosophy is unrealistic. How does any manager know on game 73 (hypothetical) that running Guerrier out there for the third game in a row to secure the win today, is more important than resting him and improving your chances to keep Guerrier healthier and productive for games 74-163? Pure foolishness to say that it is wiser to run Neshek, or Wood, or Mauer into the ground to get this season’s productivity out of him rather than manage him wisely over the course of a career. Anyone who thinks he knows that answer is being foolish. Anyone who thinks there aren’t other ramifications for such callous attitudes is an idiot. Anyone who thinks Perkins could saunter in to gardenhire’s office and tell him that he isn’t going to pitch for the next couple of weeks because his arm is sore – and not face pressure and skepticism is naive.

5. Warm ups. Relievers need warm up. Some get up and warm up, game after game, after game. Some get rushed through their warm up and rushed onto the field. Sometimes these things happen in individual games no matter how smart or wise a manager is. But good managers take all of that into consideration.

6. Only so many arms to go around. I always get a laugh out of fans who say: get rid of these bums and bring up AAA players 1-5. Then what happens when AAA players 1-3 underperform? Do we throw them out too and bring up AA players 1& 2? Running effective players into injury because they are “paid professionals” is more than risky management it is foolish.

Sorry JTW this probably shouldn’t be a reply to you as it is way beyond what you said…

by montanatwinsfan on Mar 21, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said montana

I wanted to post something similar but I think you’ve got it covered

by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Mar 21, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but why is he short of arms?

I think his point is that he might not have had to over-use Guerrier if he hadn’t over-used Neshek; I think his point is, Gardy might not have had to over-use Neshek if he hadn’t over-used Crain; and he might not have had to over-use Crain if he hadn’t over-used Rincon.

If exercising a little restraint kept any of them available and in good form the next year, he wouldn’t have to wear out the next guy.

Imagine if Neshek wasn’t hurt; he and Guerrier both would have been available, pitched fewer innings, stayed healthier, and been a really awesome set-up combo.

BTW he’s documented that it wasn’t 65 times; most of them reached the mid-70s in appearances, putting them in the top handful of over-used relievers in the league.

I had noticed that Neshek and Guerrier were both at or near the league lead in appearances, but I hadn’t noticed the pattern going all the way back to Crain and Rincon. I think he’s on to something.

And I agree about the 53 pitch outing being a turning point; many people pointed it out last year, and the splits are disturbing.

by by jiminy on Mar 23, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

typo

sorry I didn’t mean to say “I think his point is” twice — didn’t proofread

by by jiminy on Mar 23, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paid Professionals

These guys are paid milions of dollars to pitch a baseball. Nobody is holding a gun to their head to do anything. To blame the manager for their arm woes is pretty elementary. Although, I do agree misuse can be a problem. IMO most million dollar athletes are going to do want they think their body can handle, before becoming injured. Most athletes try to (gut it out) and are’nt honest with themselves or the coaching staff if they feel their is a problem. So I can’t comprehend blaming the manager for arm injuries. The athlete has to be honest with his own body.

by rico7961 on Mar 21, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Too many people focused on "who to blame" ....

Granted, Corey put the word “blame” in the title ….

Managing is a balancing act: today’s game / 162 games / “the program.”

If today’s game was all that mattered then no position starter would ever get a day off. The motives behind Gardy’s “no non-save appearances” rule (which is more of a really strong suggestion) are “162/program” concerns, not “win today” concerns.

Gardy has ridden some guys hard – Guerrier’s 2008 season being “Exhibit A.” And, in hindsight, leaving Nathan out there for 53 pitches sure seems like a bad idea today – Joe wasn’t himself the rest of the year.

by BD57 on Mar 21, 2010 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I presume this is a Joke?

Although, I can see the issue…having Nathan pitch 30+ innings in the first week of ST games could give the idea credence…Oops, it was his first outing, an obvious abuse and oversue to be sure.

Sarcasm intended.

Regards,

ps: Similar to Gleeman accusing Gardy with INTENTIONALLY injuring Liriano in 2006. Haven’t read his trash since.

I don't suffer from insanity...I relish every moment of it!

by the Dragon on Mar 21, 2010 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

OK to question Gardenhire

We have a new stadium. Everything is in place except for Nathan’s injury. If the Twins don’t bolt out of the gate and do well, it’s time to start asking questions about Gardenhire’s performance. This blog post might be part of what might be coming.

by medicineball on Mar 21, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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