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Minor League Report...March 20, 2010

Good morning from beautiful Southwest Florida.  Today I will recap the past week's performace of several young prospects who are with the Twins this spring.  I will then review my observations from yesterday's game against the Devil Rays by a team comprised of players who mostly will be with the Snappers this year.

First, lets take a look at the roster moves made by the Twins this week.  They made their first cuts last weekend, optioning Deolis Guerra, Loek VanMil and Estarlin De Los Santos to New Britain.  They also assigned Jose Lugo, Jair Fernandez, Danny Rams, Steve Singleton and Rene Tosoni to minor league camp.  A few days ago, Rob Delaney and Alex Burnett were both optioned to Rochester.  After yesterday's game, Danny Valencia, Trevor Plouffe, Luke Hughes and Anthony Swarzak were also optioned to Rochester.  

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At Twins Fest we learned that Jose Morales was recovering from a wrist injury and would likely not be ready for the start of the season.  So who will be Joe Mauer's backup when the Twins break camp in a few weeks?  Many of us thought that the more experienced Drew Butera would win the job in part because the Twins would want top prospect Wilson Ramos playing every day at Rochester.  So far this spring, Drew Butera is hitting .133/.235/.133 in 15 at bats while Ramos is hitting .381/.381/.714 in 21 at bats with only 2 strikeouts, 4 doubles and a big home run off a pretty good lefty yesterday.  Ron Gardenhire's comments recently indicate that he has been impressed with what he has seen of Ramos this spring.  If Ramos does open the season with the Twins, don't be surprised if he is here to stay!

Although some of us were surprised when Danny Valencia was sent to Rochester yesterday, the Twins were saying all winter that they believed he needed more seasoning in the minors before he would be ready to come up and play every day.  He certainly had a nice spring, hitting .273/.292/.636 with 2 doubles and 2 home runs.  Luke Hughes also had a big week with 2 doubles and a home run in Wednesday's win over Tampa and a game winning double Thursday.  Hughes hit .333/.333/.619 in 21 at bats while playing most of the time at second base.  As the Twins moved him around the field these past few years, look for Luke to see a lot of playing time at second base for the Red Wings. 

After an incredible first few games this spring, Juan Portes cooled this week. Trevor Plouffe had a nice spring, hitting .333/.385/.667 in 12 at bats.  Ben Revere has seen as much playing time as anyone as the Twins work to get him ready for the big leagues should he be needed later this season.  Revere was 3-15 this week and is now hitting .303/.303/.424 in 33 at bats with 2 stolen bases in 3 attempts. 

Rob Delaney had a nice spring before being sent down on Thursday, appearing in 4 games (5.1 innings) with a 5.06 ERA and 9K/0BB.  Delaney made 2 appearances this week, pitching 2.1 shutout innings with 2 hits and 4 strikeouts.  Alex Burnett was also solid in his two outings, pitching 2.0 no-hit innings with 2 strikeouts.  Burnett finished his spring with a 6.75 ERA in 4.0 innings with 3K/4BB.  Two young relievers still with the club are Kyle Waldrop and Anthony Slama with neither having allowed a run.  Waldrop has appeared in 4 games (5.1 innings) with 2K/0BB.  Slama has appeared in 3 games (3.0 innings) with 6K/1BB.  With questions lingering as to who will be the Twins closer this year, can Anthony Slama make their bullpen out of spring training?

Yesterday, Bonnie and I spent our afternoon watching a team of young prospects who will mostly be with the Snappers this season.  It is a different experience to sit on four row metal seats that are less than 40 feet from home plate and 10 feet from the players bench.  With the temperature in the low 70's and Tom Kelly sitting at the end of the bench chirping away at the players, it was a special baseball experience.

Although Matt Guerrier threw the first inning, he was followed by Liam Hendriks, Miguel Munoz, Dakota Watts, Ben Tootle and Tom Wright.  Liam Hendriks was solid in his 2.0 innings, striking out the side in the second.  Unfortunately, he deflected a ball up the middle that led to an infield hit which was followed by a soft grounder in the hole to put runners on first and second.  After strking out the next hitter for the second out, Tobias Streich attempted to get the runner at first base and threw the ball into the right field corner which would lead to the first of two runs in a game eventually won by Tampa Bay, 2-0. 

The Rays led off two later innings with bunts, one of them coming around to score their second run off Munoz.  The most noticeable thing about Ben Tootle in his first outing of the spring was that his ball makes a different sound when it hits the catcher's mitt.  You can just feel that his pitches are in another speed zone.  However, a couple reminded me of that pitcher from Bull Durham, Nuke LaLosh, as Chris Herrmann once lept as high as he could for one high heater.

The opening lineup was Brian Dozier (ss) leading off, followed by Derek McCallum (2B), Aaron Hicks (CF), Steve Liddle (RF), Angel Morales (LF), Jon Waltenbury (1B), Tobias Streich (C), Nate Hanson (3B) and Anderson Hidalgo (DH).  Aaron Hicks had a couple nice at bats as he fought off breaking pitches before a couple nice line drive singles.  The one time the Twins did get runners to second and third, Angel Morales hit what would have been a nice deep sacrifice fly, unfortunately, there were two outs. 

Defensively, Chris Herrmann came on late in the game and made a strong throw to nail a base stealer by several feet.  Nate Hanson had a nice pick-up to his left to nab a runner at first.  Andrew Thompson also came in late in the game and made a beautiful turn of a double play.

For several innings in the middle of the game I was sitting next to Ryan Mullins as the AA and AAA guys not playing yesterday were required to spend some time watching the two games played at the Twins complex.  We talked about everything from his season last year to where he feels he will start the season and his time at Vanderbilt University.  Ryan had a very good year last year at New Britain and feels that after two and a half years in AA he deserves another shot at AAA.  He is one semester away from graduation with a degree in Health and Human Services.  When asked to sign two baseball cards, I found it interesting that the big lefty writes right handed.

We had an interesting discussion with a man sitting in front of us.  Although originally a baseball coach in California, he now lives in the Ukraine and has a company that manufactures wooden bats from Yellow Beechwood.  We talked about how that wood (which is found only in the Ukraine) bonds better than Maple and is less likely to break.  He explained the cost and process involved in getting bats approved for the major leagues, a process that he doesn't anticipate getting involved with.  His concentration is on getting exposure for his bats in various amateur and college leagues as an alternative to aluminum bats.

I also spent a few innings talking with Paul Klingsberg's dad.  Paul had a nice season for Elizabethton last year and is hopeful to make the move up to Beloit this spring.  His dad wasn't aware of the similarities between Paul and another big first baseman taken by the Twins in the 49th round several years ago, Brock Peterson.  We talked about Paul's two years at Pepperdine and his last year in college before the Twins drafted him last spring.

Finally, after the game Bonnie and I had the opportunity to meet Aaron Hick's Mom who was sitting in front of us.  As you would expect, I had lots of questions for her about her son who just may be the Twins top prospect.  I asked about the stories we all have heard about his golf game?  Yes, he was as good as we heard and was winning tournaments by the time he was twelve.  He began playing golf at the age of three when his father cut off an old set of his clubs and proceded to watch Aaron hit the ball both long and straight....yes, at three years old!  So when Aaron was a teenager and playing several sports, his Dad told him he would need to eliminate one....you can imagine the surprise he had when Aaron immediately told him it would be golf. 

Yes, the rumors are true that Aaron told all the teams who were considering drafting him as a pitcher that he did not want to pitch.  He enjoys playing the game of baseball and wants to be on the field, playing everyday.  He appears to be a sharp young man with a great family background, a young man who has saved nearly all of his signing bonus.  His Mom told me that the only thing he bought was a new car.  When asked what that car was...she told me it is a Lexus!  A young man with the future that Aaron has certainly needs to reward himself a little, doesn't he?

We will be at the back fields again later today before seeing the Twins play a couple games early next week.  Have a great weekend everyone!

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Thanks Roger, great writeup as always

Quick question – I’m sure this has been answered before, but can you tell me the difference between optioning and assigning a player? Assigning sends them to minor league camp instead of directly to a minor league team?

Sounds like you had some great conversations at the game, I enjoyed reading about it!

by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Mar 20, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I believe the difference

is that optioning is for players on the 40-man roster. Assigning a player is for non-40-man players.

by Jesse on Mar 20, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Twins will option a player...

…who is on the 40-man roster. So Luke Hughes for example, was optioned to Rochester. That means that this year will count as one of the three years of options available for those players sent out on options (provided they spend more than 20 days in the minors).

They assign players to minor league camp who are not on the 40-man roster. In most cases those assigned to minor league camp will be playing with the team they will be on this year, just different terminology for those players not on the 40-man roster.

by roger13 on Mar 20, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Ramos vs. Butera

A lot of bloggers have been repeating the orthodoxy that the Twins will keep Butera because of his defense and send down Ramos because he needs to play every day at Rochester. (BTW, Ramos is every bit as good on defense as Butera, if not better.)

I think this is wrong on its face and shows how people outside the organization underrate what its like to be on the inside of the organization.

The Twins players want to win. Gardy wants to win. The Front Office wants to win. How do you look each other in the face if you don’t keep the best players, the ones who will most likely give you a chance to win?

People have to understand that an organization is an organic whole. If the players feel like they are not being supported by management, bad things creep into the clubhouse. Gardy cannot tell the players to go out and battle their tale off and have fun and let the chips fall where they may and then turn around and make a player decision based on business and not what happened on the field.

Everyone in the organization knows who the backup catcher should be. If it’s not Ramos, then the players, the coaches and the management all lose a piece of their integrity as professionals.

I sure hope that does not happen, and I don’t expect it to.

by Old Twins Cap on Mar 20, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you have to balance what's best for the player vs what's best for the team.

They’re not always the same thing. I can’t say one way or the other what the Twins will do between these two guys—I just want them to do what’s best for Ramos’ development, and not worry about his aribitration clock.

by Jesse on Mar 20, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

So are you telling me the Players should be Pissed that Valencia was sent down so Gardy’s bobo Punto can play 3B. Or is it that Harris beat him out for 3B??? Does everyone in the organization not know Valencia is the best 3B? (he need more seasoning) my ass. I’ll take the Hr’s and the Wins. Punto’s their for the late inning Defence. OH- he’s starting :{

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The players aren't going to be pissed about Valencia.

I’m not sure what you’re expecting from Valencia, but it’s not like he’s an All-Star being held back.

by Jesse on Mar 20, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are plenty of examples around baseball and with the Twins

where contract and option issues have affected the decision making process. As much as they use the cliche, sometimes it isn’t the “best 25” that come north.

The players aren’t going to be angry about a couple of weeks of Drew Butera as the backup catcher rather than Ramos; frankly I don’t think most of them are aware of the difference at this point. They’re both just rookies.

It would be nice to see Ramos, though.

by Eric in Madison on Mar 20, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gardy specifically said in LEN III's column that Ramos doesn't gain anything by going down

He said he thought he would learn more backing up Mauer and catching major league pitcher. He also said Ramos is “the complete package” implying that Butera is not.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 20, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Link

To the LEN II story

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 20, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Wilson Ramos is going to be on the opening day roster vs the Angels. Just because you aren’t out in the field every day doesn’t mean that there isn’t work for you to do. The backup catcher often works the bullpen and might work behind the plate every fifth day for a certain pitcher. If he keeps up this performance, the only person sad to see Jose Morales go will be Dick Bremer though that might just be to Rochester with Drew Butera being the one released.

by Jessy S on Mar 20, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What Butera can't

handle a bullpen, Ramos is needed in the Bullpen to warm-up pitchers?

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's the angle

It’s not that Butera can’t handle the bullpen. It’s that Ramos can still get a fair amount of learning done by being out in the bullpen. Just because he isn’t in the starting lineup everyday, doesn’t mean his development is stunted.

by GACTwinFan on Mar 20, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the seasoning

was only at the Minor leagues??? I believe thats what they told Velencia. I guess that Valencia can learn nothing by being a back-up 3B man or taking ground balls with the big league club but some how Ramos can develop by being a bullpen catchers? How many at-bats does he get warming someone up. I guess he’ll learn to hit a curve by warming up a pitcher.

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

But here is the thing

A backup catcher can help out on a daily basis by catching in the bullpen for relievers. Any other position on the field will just equal batting practice and sitting on the bench until you are needed. Translation, if the club feels you need seasoning, you will be sent down.

by Jessy S on Mar 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Learning is not just in the bullpen

We have a bullpen catcher for that. He’s technically one of the coaches.

Ramos can learn more by sitting in the pitchers’ meetings and listening to Mauer discuss how he wants to approach the other team’s hitters. He can learn a lot by sitting in the dugout and listening to starters like Slowey talk about how he approaches hitters.

In AAA, Ramos would be telling pitchers how he wants to approach minor league hitters. In the majors, he’dbe listening to major league pitchers and the best catcher in baseball talk about how they approach major league hitters. That’s more valuable learning, imho.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 20, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

So your telling me a catcher

can get better by being in meetings. How many at-bats did he get in that meeting? Oh by the way I guess Valencia is to dumb to learn anything at the infilders meetings about how to play the hitters. There must be alot of seasoning at those meeting for catchers. Not to be mean but Ramos will be a back-up to Mauer. Valencia would be a back-up to Punto-Harris. Tell me which do you think should get a chance to win a spot? Quit drinking the Kool-Aid. This is about Punto’s playing time and Harris.

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he keeps hitting like this, he'll get plenty of at bats

He’ll DH when Mauer catches and catch when Mauer DHs.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 20, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides, hitting is not what he needs to learn

He’s a very good hitter. He needs to learn how to handle a pitching staff. The best place to learn that is with major league pitchers.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 20, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Really

We have both Jason Kubel and Jim Thome so they will be getting some playing time as DH unless if one or the other gets injured. As for the bullpen, the only person that catches is either the backup or an assistant coach, and both catch when Gardy wants two pitchers warming up to cause the opposing manager some grief as to what to do about his bench.

by Jessy S on Mar 20, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Ramos'es

Power bat but, HE"S MAUER’S BACK-UP do you want him playing or Mauer. If Mauer DH’s out goes Kubel. Tell me how he will get any at-bats. Don’t B.S. me about learning to catch in the bullpen. Valencia/Harris should split time at 3B, not Punto. Punto should play SS-2B only. I’ve got no problem with Ramos and Valencia on the 25man

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why should Punto play 2B/SS

When UZR/150 says that his best position is 3B? He’s played about an equal number of games at all three positions, so while the sample size is relatively small, the positions can be equally compared. Brendan Harris is terrible. I’d much rather have Punto and his .250/.340/.350 line than Harris’ .260/.310/.400 line, plus Punto is a better defender. Valencia needs to show something at AAA before he gets the call.

by JTW on Mar 20, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

again I say

If that true for Valencia, then Ramos needs to go back to AA/AAA a show something! Why is Ramos getting a pass. He’s going up to be a back-up. As for Punto playing 3B, he would by far be the weakest in either league. Are we tring to win or get Punto playing time? It’s time to Think like winners, don’t except .250/.340/.350 at third and maybe 2Hr’s

by b1 on Mar 21, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is Ramos getting a pass?

Because he’s the best position player in the system at a position of need.

Punto won’t last as a starter. Valencia will get a chance to play his way onto the team. This is fairly typical: Try to get by for a couple of months with what you have and let the prospect earn his keep. Call him up in June and you save a year of arbitration and free agency while still getting the benefit when it counts. Also, I’d say Harris gets as many at bats as Punto until Valencia is ready.

I’d say the same thing about Ramos if Morales wasn’t hurt. Ramos is slated to spend most of the year in the minors, once Morales returns. Until then, he won’t lose much and he might gain something by playing Mauer’s caddy.

If I had more confidence in Butera, I’d say send Ramos down now. But I have zero confidence that Butera can hit major league pitching. So it’s a huge hole those five or six games the back-up starts until Morales gets back at the end of April. Those five or six games might make the difference in September.

I predict Ramos will make the team and will hit a game winner in his brief stay with the Twins.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 21, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

It is likely that Valencia can become a solid third baseman…as I expect he will. Ramos is a special player who I believe is the best position player to come out of the organization since Mauer-Morneay-Kubel. Valencia can be a solid starter, Ramos can become a multiple all-star.

by roger13 on Mar 21, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

54 games

Ramos has played in 54 games in AA. I’d much rather see him play than sit and go to meetings.

by SethSpeaks on Mar 20, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Pissed!!!

Valenceia Kills the ball Yesterday off Santana and they send him down. Who are the protecting and Why??? Is this so Punto can get some playing time? Is it to protect Casilla and Harris? This showes that Valencia had 0% chance to make the team. Let Valencia, Punto and Harris fight it out, isn’t that what spring is for; to EARN a possition. Ramos and Butera are getting that chance! I’m pissed at Gardy for keeping all Middle infieders to play 3B. Tolbert,Harris,Punto. Valencia should have gotten the call-up last Sept. Who knows, he might of earned the spot then. The only way I’m okay with this is if we are trying to make a trade, with Harris or Casilla. If not this is B.S. Casilla should be D for A. He has NO chance of playing. We will have 5 middle infielder, no 3b man and 4 outfilders on the roster. It’s no wonder why we haven’t had a 3b after Koskie. Koskie was their before Gardy showed-up. No wonder we scrap-by every year. All defence no bat at 3B. I’ve had it with Gardy and I’ve about given up on Delmond too. I’ve backed him but I’m done with that, get me a LF who can Mash the Ball! no more week ground ball’s to right for hits. ( I feel much better now) ON the bright side we do have a good team!!!

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I think this is a slight over reaction.

Valencia had his opportunities this spring, and he played ok. Forget his performance yesterday though, it means nothing.

All this means is that the Twins don’t think he’s quite ready to start yet. There’s no room for him on this bench. So he goes to Rochester and gets to play everyday…that’s not so bad. And guess what—if he proves he’s ready and can handle triple-A pitching again, then he’ll get called up this year.

And blaming Gardy for personnel makes no sense. He doesn’t really have that kind of input—he makes the decisions with the guys he has in-game. That’s pretty much it.

by Jesse on Mar 20, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He confirmed that he's ready

When Punto struggles to start the year, he’ll get the call. So his performance was not meaningless. It just doesn’t translate into him making the team.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 20, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well no, no performance is meaningless.

But saying a good day yesterday should translate into making the team isn’t really an argument. Maybe a bad choice of words on my part.

by Jesse on Mar 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Correction

When Punto injures himself diving into first base, he’ll get the call.

by DJL44 on Mar 20, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gardy wanted Valencia in Sept

So I don’t see how you can blame him. Someone else in the FO is not sold on Valencia for reasons I don’t get.

I expect him to have a horrible start of the year as he pouts about not given a real shot to make the team.

by clutterheart on Mar 20, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Homer off Santana

and you get sent down and told to give it some time????

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would you expect him to pout?

Nobody promised he’d make the team. He knew he was a long shot from the start. All he wanted to do this spring was open some eyes. He did that. Now he knows he needs to play better in AAA than he did last year. I expect him to because he knows he can play his way onto the team this year. He’s also a better player than he was last year and he’s more mature.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 20, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe pout was the wrong word

I didn’tt mean to rip on him at all. I would just expect the disappointment to linger a bit, from his quotes this year I think he was hoping to stick around the spring camp and have the opportunity to make the 3B decision hard.

by clutterheart on Mar 20, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, this is a bit much

You are right that Valencia never had a real chance to make the team, barring injury, but….that’s the way it goes. The truth is, he needs to re-establish his plate discipline at AAA before he’s going to be ready to hit in the majors.

On the other hand, he isn’t really young anymore, and they really need to give him his opportunity at some point in the not too distant future.

by Eric in Madison on Mar 20, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

As soon as I saw that they cut Valencia yesterday...

…I knew this was going to be a fun week! I don’t have a problem with them sending Valencia out until such time as Gardy is ready to play him every day. I do find it interesting that he was sent out this early in camp. He and Hughes had the best two days of their lives the last couple days…and for a reward they get sent across the parking lot.

by roger13 on Mar 20, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

With Valencia, I have to believe

it was either he won the starting 3B job or nothing. And I don’t think he did enough to win it.

With Hughes, the Twins might be able to play with the idea of taking him as the last bench player. He doesn’t play any one defensive position well, but he can play a number of defensive positions…and with only two bench spots available (Thome and catcher don’t really count), they can justify wanting to give him more time. I still think it’s a long shot but you never know…maybe Hughes beats Casilla for that bench spot.

by Jesse on Mar 20, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jesse

I do understand you point and don’t dissagree, there’s two or three ways to look at everything. I just think the Team is stronger or has chances to win with Valencia at 3B (now) We’ll see how Harris and Punto play, it is a strong team

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was always nothing

I think you’re being too generous to the team’s willingness to actually let Valencia win the job; that was never going to happen. Which is OK with me; decisions like this should not be made based on spring training performances, I don’t think.

He was always slated for Rochester, where he needs to show some plate discipline.

by Eric in Madison on Mar 20, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay deep breaths

Agreed, I’m pissed because it appears Valencia had no Chance to make the team. Like roger13, I find it odd that Valencia and Hughes were cut this early. If your looking at the Twins from the outside and you see Punto and Harris as the 3b’s you’ve got to say that’s a week spot. You’ve got a young Kid like Valencia and you give him no chance ( I think the team is set ) I’m sure team around the league would love to have a Kid like him and I think some would start him right away without the (seasoning). I might be overratting him, but you saw him and Ramos yesterday. Everytime Punto bats with men on and does’nt knock the run in I going to Boil. Again no one will tell me why we need Casilla on the Bench.

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be Pissed

Valencia and Hughes had no chance to make the team, but they made the 40 player roster. Seeing them sent down is a good decision because they will play everyday Sooner or later either Brendan Harris or Nick Punto will show their weak side or commit a stupid injury. Besides, I don’t think Johan Santana is a good benchmark when it comes to hitting this spring. This season has been horrible for him and the Twins were just the latest in a string of bad performances for him.

by Jessy S on Mar 20, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

After all I posted today the point is this!

The rule for Valencia don’t apply to Ramos. I love them both and want them both on the 25man roster. If Ramos is going to be the Back-up to Mauer why can’t Valencia be a back-up to Harris. If Ramos can play every 5 day when why not Valencia? Is someone going to tell me Ramos is ready for the PRO’s and Valencia is not ? Valencia needs work and Ramos does’nt ? Punto should never see 3b except in the late innings, as for Casilla. He has no point of being on this Club. This will get worked out, but only because of bad plays and failures, which we need not go through. I guess we’ll call them Gardy’s growing pains to the World Series.

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

The same rules apply to everybody. If Wilson Ramos starts the season in the majors, he would be a rookie. What helps him is that there is a spot open in his position. In a more perfect world where Jose Morales is just fine with no injury, I am pretty sure that Ramos and Butera would have been optioned to the minor league camp with Valencia.

by Jessy S on Mar 20, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 20, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Casilla

needs to be on this team because of his speed and potential. He’s out of options, and another team would almost certainly pick him up if the Twins placed him on waivers. If he had an option left, I think Valencia would be looked at much harder for the third base job. If Casilla can play centerfield well as a backup to Span, and stop making defensive gaffes at the middle infield postions, than he can be very valuable to the Twins as a pinch-runner and defensive specialist.

by Kamanyourpants on Mar 20, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

For Valencia and Ramos

Doesn’t holding them down for a month or so essentially tack on another year of indentured servitude? Wasn’t this what happened with Longoria, Wieters, etc.?

It seems like with the ability to essentially trade a month of a player now for a year later, it’s impossible to really let spring training be an earn-your-job scenario.

by Luke in MN on Mar 20, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

good point

I’ve said all along that Valencia will likely come up in late June because of the arbitration thing. With Ramos, it’s about game-situations and actdually getting to play.

by SethSpeaks on Mar 20, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Slama?

All this uproar over Valencia…But why aren’t they giving Slama more looks?
Last I saw he had 3 IP and 6 strikeouts. I would like him to make the last BP spot.

by clutterheart on Mar 20, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

 Gardy wanted Valencia in Sept

So I don’t see how you can blame him. Someone else in the FO is not sold on Valencia for reasons I don’t get.

I expect him to have a horrible start of the year as he pouts about not given a real shot to make the team.

by clutterheart on Mar 20, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

All I know is that we have a team

of Middle Infielders and no true 3B-man.

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But we’ve had that team for a while now. Give the guys without options a chance to play for 4- 6 weeks, if something not working drop them or slip them thru waivers then. Sooner if a guy goes down with an injury. Then bring up the guys earned it, That’s is the Twins way. I’ve stopped worrying about this scenario since Brian Buchanan “beat” out Bobby Kielty. Th best 25, that’s just a cliche, Grady uses. We don’t see he best 25 till June.

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by maxisagod on Mar 20, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Overreacting

Harris is a better 3B than he is in the middle infield. He’s also a better bet than Valencia at this time.

by DJL44 on Mar 20, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry Harris is a middle infielder

and has been till he got to Minnesota where anyone who can’t start at second or short gets to start at Third (Punto, Tolbet, Harris ) When we traded for Harris he was the starting SS at Tampa. Bartlett for Harris

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Christensen is reporting...

…the reason the four were optioned out yesterday is because of a rule in the CBA. If a player is on the 40-man roster and he did not finish the last season with the Twins, if injured after today he must be kept on the major league DL which also means major league salary! That explains why all four were optioned yesterday.

by roger13 on Mar 20, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

That makes complete sense

And no player should be angry that the team didn’t want to keep them on the major league DL.

by DJL44 on Mar 20, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Ramos and Butera

I guess If one of them get injured its okay that their clock starts. Valencia is not a young kid, thats a cheep excuse same with Hughes

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another good reason I'm pissed

Valencia didn’t get a call-up in Sept. Instead we had Tolbert ( a middle infielder with no pop ) starting at 3B in the play-offs

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of them HAS to go north with the team

It’s a different situation. Revere is still with the team because he isn’t on the 40 man roster.

by DJL44 on Mar 21, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Revere is still with the team...

…also because he is the next player in centerfield should Span get injured. From what I have seen, by opening day Revere will be a better all around player than Carlos Gomez. Both are very young and have some things to work on, but Revere is in the process of surpassing Gomez as a player you would want out there every day, if needed!

by roger13 on Mar 21, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's probably a LF longterm

But yeah, Revere is going to be a major league contributor. He reminds me of Shannon Stewart – good AVG/OBP, speed, defense good but not quite enough for CF.

by DJL44 on Mar 21, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good comp

Especially the arm. His arm will keep him out of center long term.

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by cmathewson on Mar 21, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember.....

Players may be sent t minor league camp, but they can still pull sometime in a spring training game.

You got Alejandro machado who pulled a full year on the ml roster becasue of an injury. The only player in the history of he Twins to be on the roster and not play.

You have Josh Rabe, who got injured and remained on the major elague roster for most of the season.

Valencia et al…you have to super impress to stay. Revere and Slama are doing so. They may have moved up in the Twins pecking orer…but even a great spring with an okay season at AA or AAA doesn’t translate into a major elague roster spot (all remember the fine spring of a guy named Mike Venafro who never made it to the Twins…the 26th man).

Hey, there is also the possibility that Morales, who will have to field sometime at AAA Rochester, might not be the immediate callee back to the Twins. Really, the only reason for Morales to have major league time is to shine a bit more and icnrease some value for as a trading chip. Seriously, will he be a backup beyond 2010, 0r 2011.

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by rosterman on Mar 21, 2010 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I noted

that Hicks batted 3rd in CF, while Morales batted 5th in Lf. a sign of thing to be.

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Valencia / Hughes / Ramos

With most of the guys brought in to spring training, the purpose is to give them some exposure to major league players and coaches. Think of it like a professional internship. You keep them happy, they get to see how the “company” works, and what it’s like to be with the big boys. You don’t actually expect them to get a promotion on their first day.

In this case, that is what happened with Valencia. He was brought in as a perk, and so the coaches could see him play a bit. Same with Hughes.

It is different with Ramos. The team needs another catcher, and there isn’t a clear option, with Morales out. They actually need to see both Ramos and Butera, in order to make the decision. Both SHOULD be in the minor leagues, so picking between them is more difficult. The Twins already have 6 players for 3 infield spots (Casilla, Tolbert, Harris, Punto, Hudson, and Hardy). Even without adding Valencia to the mix, they already risk losing a player if they try to keep Tolbert. At the end of the day, there just isn’t a spot for Valencia on the team, YET.

by snolls on Mar 20, 2010 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree but

The way I see it the team needs a 3b-man and a back-up catcher! Harris is okay but Punto should never start at 3b. He’s a great defender but has a wet newspaper for a bat. Harris or Punto would never start at 3B for any other TEAM in all of Baseball. I like Harris and Punto but, they are not starters. Valencia/Harris should be the combo at 3B not Harris/Punto. The next one I see is Young in LF. The players comming-up are improvement to what we have now, if given the chance!

by b1 on Mar 20, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you do with Punto?

I hear what you’re saying, you’ve said it over and over, I get it. In fact, I’m probably being hypocritical, because you probably understand the opposing viewpoint as well, but I’ll clarify one more time, and add one new aspect, cuz that’s what blogs are for (isn’t this yelling fun).

The Twins HAVE backup infielders. Punto/Harris/Casilla make up 1 starter and two bench spots. They don’t NEED another. The only way to keep Valencia is to cut one of them, which would mean paying their salary and giving them for free to another team. Baseball teams don’t do this, for 2 main reasons:
(1) don’t want to admit they made a mistake (also called loss aversion). This is common in investing psychology, people who buy a bad stock, and see it go down, refuse to sell at a loss, because it means admitting a mistake.
(2) it’s hard to fire your friends. Firing anyone is hard. It can also be harmful to morale of the people remaining, if they liked the exiting employee, think that he was treated unfairly, or worry that they will be treated similarly. For instance, it is probably important not to stress out players that a couple of bad weeks in spring training will lose you your job.

With the Catcher, they NEED a backup. They don’t have anyone else. So, they have to decide between two players in the same position – competing for a spot on the team. Thus, they stay with the club, even after the injury deadline.

by snolls on Mar 21, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reason 3

Injury. Teams know there will be attrition throughout the year are are reticent to give up a surplus in April knowing it could be a drought in August.

by DJL44 on Mar 21, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roger

Great report… loved every word of it… looking forward to tomorrow’s report!

by SethSpeaks on Mar 20, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Seth...

…this is a weekly report. Can I sleep tomorrow morning, please?

by roger13 on Mar 20, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO.....

Back to the computer monkey….

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by maxisagod on Mar 20, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

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