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Ten reasons to worry about the Twins

I think it's safe to say that most of us are more optimistic for the 2010 Twins season than we have been in a long time. I'm known as an overly pessimistic soul, and even I'm a bit caught up in the swell of cheerfulness; our own Adam Peterson can testify that I predicted a 142-20 season for the Twins a week ago. (The new park went to my head.)

Given the positive feelings, I started wondering what could go wrong, and so I started looking for problems. We all know about the closer situation, but I think there's more to be concerned about. Below, a not-nearly comprehensive list of worries I have about this season.

  1. Delmon Young has lost a bunch of weight, but all spring evidence shows that he didn't lose the part of him that's responsible for his awful pitch recognition. With the paucity of outfield options for the team this year, we may be treated to a lot of bad swings.
  2. Everybody loves J.J. Hardy already, but he did hit .229 last year. I want him to rebound too, but just wanting it does not necessarily make it so.
  3. Nick Punto is 32 years old, and had an even worse season than Hardy last year, and is still going to get 400 at-bats this year. Commence rending of garments.
  4. As for the other third-base option, here's the best way to put it: Brendan Harris has been with the Twins two seasons. In both of those seasons, he posted an on-base percentage worse than Punto. Yes, he hits for more power, but is ten doubles and four homers more per year worth the drop-off in defense? Punto may be our best option at third. Now see #3. Ay chihuahua.
  5. Like everyone, I'm thrilled about the acquisition of Jim Thome. But the guy does turn 40 in August of this year, which is enough to make you worry about any hitter.
  6. Yes, I'm worried about Justin Morneau's back. Not to mention pretty much all of Joe Mauer. GET THE BUBBLE WRAP!
  7. And we're one outfield injury away from Jason Kubel having to play in the field every day - or seeing the highly confusing return of Jacque Jones.
  8. We're all high on Francisco Liriano right now, but just to recap, that's based on winter ball and spring training, which don't necessarily prove anything. Given that Liriano struggled with his composure as much as anything, I think it's fair to worry about whether the guy who once earned the nickname "Franchise" can keep up his hot streak.
  9. Carl Pavano is the #2 starter. We realize he had a 5.10 ERA last season, right? Just want to make sure that this is clear. 
  10. I think it's safe now to assume that Alexi Casilla will be on the team. It's always fun to have a guy on the roster that the manager does not want to play in any situation, isn't it? And it's especially nice when your 25th guy can safely play only one defensive position, and that not especially well.

I'm not trying to be a downer here, and I'm still optimistic about this season. If you're looking to worry, though, I think there's plenty to think about.

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Now I know why you're friends with Nate...

…you pessimists!

Allow me to retort, in my naturally foolish optimistic fashion…

1. Thankfully, the success of this season shouldn’t have to hinge on Delmon.
2. Even if Hardy doesn’t rebound (and he will), he’s still better than who we had there last year.
3. YOU WIN THIS ROUND, MARTHALER.
4. Thid base is the weak spot offensively, but luckily we can bury them in the 9-hole. And that’s ok.
5. Even with all of Thome’s OSK (Old Hitter Skillz), he’s still going to reach base at a better rate than anyone else on the bench. And really, if he’s staying on the bench that probably means both Young and Kubel are both healthy and at least marginally productive. That’s a good thing.
6. I’ll buy you a stress ball when I’m in Minneapolis at the end of May.
7. Kubel isn’t any worse in the field than Young. And in spite of his penchant for throwing relays straight into the ground, Jones is probably still better than Kubel and Young in the field.
8. This is the important thing to focus on for Liriano this spring….walk-to-strikeout ratios.
2008: 15.2 IP, 15 K, 9 BB
2009: 27.1 IP, 27 K, 12 BB
2010: 14 IP, 22 K, 2 BB
Sure, it’s spring training, but pitching well is better than not pitching well. Or, more specifically, pitching with control is more encouraging than Liriano pitching without control. And he’ll have one more appearance before opening day. I agree that the optimism needs to be cautious in nature, but I’m not waiting for his world to implode.
9. I thought Kevin Slowey was the number 2 starter. (I guess that gives you a whole new list of things to worry about…)
10. YOU ALSO WIN THIS ROUND, MARTHALER.

by Jesse on Mar 29, 2010 7:17 AM EDT reply actions  

A few more worries

Will Slowey really be fine after his injury?

Will Neshek really be fine after his injury?

What if Blackburn’s peripheral numbers really are a better prediction of his future performance than his previous ERA, and his ERA floats up around 5? It’s not that implausible that Pavano, Liriano, and Blackburn could all have ERA’s over 5.

Hudson is getting older and could already be in decline; he could plausibly be a below-average player this year. If Hardy doesn’t bounce back as a hitter, 3B, SS, and 2B could all produce sub par offense

outfield defense is a real concern, and if anything happens to Span, could be a disaster

How will the bullpen hold up without Nathan?

by by jiminy on Mar 29, 2010 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Sub par infield offense

How would that be different than any other year?

Injuries/recovery from injuries is a problem that every team has to worry about and neither guy in the Twins case was rushed back which it seems is when re-injuries happen.

Everything else is a serious worry. I just hope Gardy does a better job with the pen than the first few months of last year.

by Disorderly Conduct on Mar 29, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I must disagree with several points...

…being a real concern.

First, Jason Kubel playing a lot in the outfield shouldn’t be a concern. With more playing time he isn’t a drop off from Young/Cuddyer (although I agree this outfield isn’t defensively what we all want to see, but Kubel doesn’t change that).

Don’t worry about Jacque Jones. First of all, he isn’t on the team. But when he is (yes, I meant to say when), you are all going to love him again. The player I saw in Florida is the player I remember prior to his leaving. It appears that coming back for that good ole home cooking he knew as a young man has been what he needed. Yes, he may be a step slower (although I didn’t see it), but everything else looks like the Jacque we all knew and loved five years ago.

And worrying about Alexi Casilla also isn’t a concern. He is the 25th player who isn’t going to get a lot of playing time. This is one time I certainly agree with Gardy and would prefer to see Matt Tolbert on the squad. I expect the timing wasn’t right and we will see the Twins move him during the first couple months of the season with either Matt or Jacque called up to fill his spot.

by roger13 on Mar 29, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions  

But what if...

Kubel’s knees fall off his body? You have to admit it’s a possibility. And as for Jacque Jones, he still is easily the Twin that frustrated me the most in the past 15 years, so I can’t say I’m looking forward to his return.

by Jon Marthaler on Mar 29, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

What if Target Field begins to fall apart?

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 29, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

We're doomed before the season even begins!

:(

RonGarde: Target Field is going to be exactly like Progressive Field, except you'll have a chance to die of frostbite in the middle of July

by fischean on Mar 29, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However, Jacque Jones in left field would be better than Delmon Young. Besides the starters are doing a great job in spring training, they were struggling this time last year, and the pitcher that gave up the game winner in today’s game will be in the minors next week. Finally, the Twins have a better shot at making the postseason due to being in the AL Central compared to the AL East.

by Jessy S on Mar 30, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

And this general concern

Personally I still see the Twins as the favorite in the AL Central. But one thing that often gets overlooked is that there’s a big difference between being the team that is most likely to win, and being likely to win. Of all the possible scenarios, the Twins may have the best chance of finishing on top. But those victorious scenarios are still the minority of the total possibilities. Remember, even a huge favorite in a horse race still pays 2-1.

Suppose you looked at everybody’s chances to win the AL Central like this

Indians: 5%
Royals: 5%
Tigers: 25%
White Sox: 25%
Twins: 40%

I actually don’t think the difference between the teams is nearly that great — but suppose you thought the Twins chances of winning really were sixty percent better than either the Sox and Tigers, and 800% better than the Royals and Indians. That would make the Twins huge, huge favorites — and it would still mean that there was a 60% chance the Twins would not win the division.

I think being more realistic would probably give them more like a 33% chance to win than a 40% chance. So even me, a true homer, think it’s 2-1 against. And that’s without all those things going wrong.

There are five teams. No one team has a better chance than all the others put together.

Face it. The Twins probably won’t win the division.

by by jiminy on Mar 29, 2010 7:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn't realize

how great the odds are against the Twins. Ruh roh

MPR, Lefsa, 3M, Sun Country Airlines, Grumpy Old Men movies, Joe Mauer. What a blessed state!

by By Allen's Mullet on Mar 29, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That taps into my greatest concern as well

I think the Twins are robust and motivated enough as a team, but just looking at the rest of the competition has worried me this offseason as well. That three of the last four division crowns were settled with two tiebreakers and a last-day upset is no accident.

by MarshalltheIrish on Mar 29, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

you realize how bad this division has been the last few years, correct?

That has to play a role. In 09, the Tigers/Twins did their best to give it away. In 08, the Twins/Sox tried their hardest as well.

by diehardtwinsfan on Mar 29, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course I realize

But, at least for me, the closeness is still worth considering, especially noting some of the projected win tallies for the division this year. That being said I feel the Twins are the most replete team and will win it, with Detroit as the closest competition.

by MarshalltheIrish on Mar 29, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

I think 09 was more of a case of Detroit giving it away and us making the improbable comeback, a la Mets/Phillies 2007. Not a stellar division all the same, especially going up against the Yanks in the playoffs, but even as Detroit collapsed there were a few points (such as the final four-game series at Comerica) where they could have sealed the deal.

by MarshalltheIrish on Mar 29, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And not to mention, but the Twins were plugging in players due to injury. If Jim Leyland smokes when he’s worried, the Twins likely loped 1.5 years off the end of his life. In early September, the Tigers were about a week and a half away from a division title and look what happened. All Detroit needed was for Zack Grinkie to shutout the Twins, while they win one game vs Chicago. In 07, the Phillies were well in control of their division on the last weekend, no need for a one game playoff.

by Jessy S on Mar 30, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow the negative nancies are out in full force here. The facts are still that the Twins have the best overall team from top to bottom. They didn’t lose anyone from last years AL Central winning team that they didn’t want to. They replaced any lost players with upgrades (aside from Crede I guess) so they sit in a better position to win now than ever. Their competition is just NOT good. The Twins are in, easily, the worst division in the AL central. A 40% chance of winning THAT division is pretty nice in my book!

by TrevorR on Mar 30, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Accuscore disagrees!

I stand corrected, and happily so!

Check out the front page story on Twinkietown about Accuscore’s predictions.

They say the Twins have a 57% chance to win the division, and a two and a half times better shot than the second place Sox!

by by jiminy on Mar 30, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

All these could be

but my doubt is with Gardy!!! When any of these happen will he just do nothing and keep putting players out on the field, that arn’t getting it done. My HOPE is that if we need, the guys from Rochester can step in. Slama,Manship,Plouffe,Hughes,Valencia,Jones,Ramos,Revere, and there could be a few others. The players just play, but its the Manager who has to know when to Sub or get a replacement. We’ll see, Condrey is my pick to stay to long with and lose games. Hope I’m wrong and none of this happens.

by b1 on Mar 29, 2010 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Most of these are really non issues

I have two big worries…

1) That the rumors of Liriano closing don’t seem to be ending, and apparently there is quite the effort to convince him to do it. That might seriously be one of the dumbest things this team can do. Let him start, and if he fails, make him close.

2) That people get hurt. We really have little controll over this one.

As for your concerns:

1) Delmon’s K/BB ratio is 8/4 in 40 plus at bats. While that isn’t exactly stellar, you have to keep in mind that he walked 12 times last season and 0 times in spring training last year. His spring training OBP is nearly 60 points higher than his batting average, and if he carries that into the season, he’s going to have a breakout year and will likely OPS over .800.
2) Hardy’s problem were in his swing. It was well documented. He let it get too long. As long as Vavra and company keep him cognizant of that, he should bounce back to a player similar to 2007/2008.
3 and 4) This one is going to bug a lot of Twins players. for one, Harris is young enough to break out yet. I’d probably give him the majority of starts to see if he can get things rolling. He’s certainly looked good this spring and made no mistakes. 3B is not a place where range is nearly that important. Reflexes, on the other hand, are. Punto’s making mistakes and not getting the job done at the plate. I’d just assume let Harris run with it and see what happens. He won’t generate the walks Punto does, but if he gets a shot to get into a rhythm, the batting average will climb and the OBP will probably be very similar to Punto… and that’s with the power. I really do hope that Punto goes back to the super utility role and spells most of the guys.
5-6) Look at what Thome did last season. He probably still has something. You cannot control the injuries either. This team is much deeper than ever before, which will hopefully prevent us from having to see a lineup containing Punto, Tolbert, Morales, and Casilla come September.
7) I don’t see this as a big deal at all… Yeah injuires suck, but we aren’t exactly 1 injury away from seeing Jason Tyner in the DH role.
8) Um, yeah, you think? Then again, his slider is back and his control is apparently as well. You may not see a 2006 Lirano posing an ERA just north of 2, but a guy that can consistenly go 6 innings while keeping his ERA around 3.5 is going to be immensely valuable. That’s a very reasonable target for him and I think it is quite doable.
9) It really should be Slowey as #2… Honestly, the order means very little. Our team has 3 #2 starters in Baker, Slowey, and Pavano, with a potential number 1 in Liriano and a #3-4 in Blackburn. Our rotation could be very, very good this year.
10) You have a point here. This is Alexi’s last shot as far as I’m concerned. If he cannot do something well, the man won’t last long. This team is too good to be tolerating poor performance.

by diehardtwinsfan on Mar 29, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

You're overestimating Pavano

The guy has had one really good year (2004) in his 10+ seasons. For the most part, he is very average. He is going to give us some stellar starts like he did in the playoffs last year (which is probably why you think he is a #2), but he will also get shelled more than his fair share. I’d expect him to finish the year with an ERA anywhere from 4.4-4.8 which is more #4 or even #5 starter material.

by Sheldon on Mar 30, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

4-4 to 4-8 is not bad!

That’s around average, isn’t it? That would make him a #3, wouldn’t it?

by by jiminy on Mar 30, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that is the ERA of your third-best starter

And you expect to contend? Yes, that is very bad.

by Sheldon on Mar 31, 2010 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alexi

Why is Alexi a 1 position player? I thought he played both middle infield positions. His lack of flexibility is not a big concern for me.
Our bench has Harris, backup at Corner spots (or move cuddy in to 1b like we all know), Casilla at the middle infield spots (or move punto there like we all know), a backup catcher and an extra DH.
Alexi will get a chance this year…one of the middle guys will have a sprain/strain and miss a couple weeks…its just up to him to make something of it.

by Fyll on Mar 29, 2010 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Casilla

He’s played like 40 innings at shortstop in the past few years. Not exactly a utility guy.

by Jon Marthaler on Mar 29, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really

He’s been pretty much purely a second baseman in the majors, but in every year in the minors except 2009, his time was either mostly even between second and short or mostly at short. He’s not exactly a newbie on the left side of second base.

That said, considering how awful his UZR was at the slightly-less-demanding second base position, it’s possible that he’s not much of an upgrade over an empty glove if you put him at short.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Mar 29, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe he's a shortstop playing 2nd base

and just isn’t as good at it, even if it is easier.

by ckb on Mar 29, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, I can't accept that explanation

I refuse to acknowledge possibilities that imply that Alexi Casilla is a useful player.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Mar 29, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

After Yesterday's Game, these concerns seem more legit.

Pavano “wasn’t fooling anyone.” When that happens, he gets rocked. Oh well, one game—maybe he didn’t want to show the Red Sox his super secret out pitch.

I hate to say it, but what on earth do you do with Delmon if he doesn’t play well? Trade him for pennies on the dollar?

by Han Joelo on Mar 29, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

If it does come to that, you take what you can get

and then call up Revere.

Or maybe that’s just me being biased.

by Jesse on Mar 29, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Simple

We drop Carl Pavano and add somebody else. Pedro Martinez or John Smotz come to mind.

by Jessy S on Mar 30, 2010 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

My concerns

1. Mauer, Cuddyer, and Kubel all had career seasons last year (the likes of which we may not see again).
2. The bullpen really isn’t very good, regardless of who or what committee is closing.
3. No starter is really a lock to put up an above-league-average ERA. A few could be plain bad.

Ok, thanks for letting me get that off my chest.

by Luke in MN on Mar 29, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

not sure what you consider an average ERA

The league average was 4.5 last year. Everyone of our starters could beat that, and I’d say Baker, Slowey, and Blackburn are pretty much locks to do it.

by diehardtwinsfan on Mar 29, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’ll be disappointed if Baker doesn’t come in under 4, and I wouldn’t be shocked to see him in the low 3s.

I’m not sure what to expect out of Slowey because I’ve heard the surgery may have messed with his mechanics; I’d expect 4-ish from Blackie; Pavano will be somewhere between 4.5 and Ramon Ortiz; Liriano will be somewhere between Johan Santana and Livan Hernandez, closer to one of the edges than the middle of that range, and I’m holding out hope that it’s the Johan edge.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Mar 29, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes (or +1 if you prefer)

This is exactly how I feel: “Liriano will be somewhere between Johan Santana and Livan Hernandez”

by dctwin on Mar 29, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Slowey

I think you misheard on Slowey. He commented matter of factly that he had no idea if his control would return. So far, he’s looked pretty good, so I’m guessing it isn’t much of an issue.

I would be worried if Liriano wasn’t somewhere between Johan and Livan. One was awesome. One was awful…

by diehardtwinsfan on Mar 29, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly
I would be worried if Liriano wasn’t somewhere between Johan and Livan. One was awesome. One was awful…

And I am not really sure which end of the spectrum he will be on.

Thanks for the clarification on Slowey.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Mar 29, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that was his point.

That we still don’t know what to expect from Liriano, but we hope he is closer to Johan than Livan.

by Twins4Life on Mar 29, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think 4.50 is about average

I’d expect most of our pitchers to beat it and some to be sub-4.00, but I wouldn’t be shocked if any didn’t. Baker would be the biggest surprise, but not a shock to me. Blackburn or Pavano wouldn’t surprise me at all; in fact, I’d be happy with 4.50 from them. If Slowey and Liriano have it together, no worries, but if things don’t come back together for them, they could both blow up. Things look good for those two in spring so far, so that’s very reassuring.

by Luke in MN on Mar 29, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments so far

It’s good to know I’m not the only one worried.

by Jon Marthaler on Mar 29, 2010 9:53 AM EDT reply actions  

My biggest worry is that most fans (even Marthaler) are optimistic. Our usual lowered expectations allow us to remain relatively calm when the Twins are 10 games out at the All-Star break. We have less invensted. But now if this thing crashes and burns I hope it’s somewhere in rural South Dakota where no one gets hurt.

by Brad B. on Mar 29, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Dammit, people!

I come here for happy-fluffy optimism, and what do I get with my morning coffee? Depression! I can come up with that all on my own!

The Twins are going to celebrate their beautiful new ballpark with a World Series trophy. Even with Alexi Casilla. So there.

:mutinously sips coffee:

http://www.realityfish.com

by Robin G on Mar 29, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hahahaha....

I imagine your eyes are also squinting at the screen whilst you mutinously sip said coffee?

by Jesse on Mar 29, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Young has a slow start, then Kubel will get to play more outfield and Thome will get to DH more. Personally I would rather see Thome in the lineup than Young, so I don’t care whether Young succeeds or not. If we need another outfielder, Jones ain’t bad and Revere is gonna be pretty good! At this point I think Young is expendable. Put up or sit down.
Casilla is a problem, but he’s the backup utility infielder.
Pavano couldn’t get his curve ball to break yesterday. He was guaranteed 80 pitches no matter how he pitched, which will only happen in ST.
This team’s problem position is closer. As Nathan said recently, you have to jump into this role with both feet. You can’t dabble in it. The only Twins reliever that is equally adept at getting right-handers and left-handers out is Guerrier, and he led the AL in holds last year. I hope the Twins keep him out of the closer rotation.

by Dave T on Mar 29, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Delmon

Young’s gonna start opening day, after that all bets are off. I’ve got a feeling Gardy’s gonna love him some Kubel in LF and Thome at DH vs RHP alot alot alot, especially if Thome gets off to a decent start to the season.

by ajmargarine on Mar 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The main problem with this is context

Out of context, negativity just breeds negativity. Take any player on the roster, ask “what if he gets injured?” and net out the hypothetical as bad news for the Twins. That’s not particularly helpful.

A more helpful approach is to look at how the team did last year, figure out how it improved, and project from there. Last year was kind of a worst case in terms of injuries: one MVP out for the first month, another MVP out for the last month and the playoffs. Three starters in the rotation to start the year out for the second half of the year. All that happened and they still won 90 games or something.

Now, you add a solid #5 starter for a full year (I don’t care his order in the rotation to start the year, Pavano is the #5 starter on this staff), a solid shortstop, an even more solid second baseman, a dangerous bench bat and two set-up guys while subtracting the closer to that and you should win 92-95 games in a weakened division. And that’s even factoring in the worst case in injuries (beyond the closer). If they don’t have the kind of injuries they had last year after Nathan, they should do even better than that. That’s not optimism, that’s realism.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 29, 2010 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm on board with this.

But then again I’m not a worrier…although that does get me into trouble sometimes.

by Jesse on Mar 29, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's one guy that is missing in this talk

Mauer, Kubel, Morneau, Cuddyer, Hudson are gonna do what they do. Harris, Young, Hardy, Thome are a bonus if they do anything. No concerns really for any of these guys. But, there is one guy who we count on an awful lot who is not yet, imo, “established”

And that is DENARD SPAN. If he tanks in CF and in the leadoff spot, that’s the most serious reason to worry.

by ajmargarine on Mar 29, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I disagree with the premise.

I consider Span as an established player at this point. He has proven his worth and the Twins obviously believe in him as they signed him to a nice contract.

Other people in the league have already talked about him as one of the best leadoff hitters in the game.

Barring any injury, I don’t worry about Span at all.

by Twins4Life on Mar 29, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're proving my point

You and WFOJesse below. Twins Nation is just assuming Denard 2011 will be Denard 2010. Last year was his only full season in the bigs. You got to perform well for an entire season, which he did. His previous half-season was also good. We’re all just blindly assuming he’ll continue and not even thinking about him. We are counting on him for alot and no one is even considering he won’t do what he’s already done. Which is why, if he were to tank, it would be the biggest concern for this team, above all the ones in the OP, and it would hurt us the most.

Now, I like Denard. I think he’s a good player. I have no reason to think he won’t continue in the vein of his 2010 season. I want him and the team to succeed. And I have no reason to think they won’t.

My point is: We are counting on him for a full season of excellence this year. But, he’s only had one full season in the bigs previous to this year. He’s not established or proven yet, but we’re all assuming he is.

by ajmargarine on Mar 29, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has almost 1100 MLB PAs

That’s basically 2 full seasons. He’s been a model of consistency since PA #1. I was worried about him at the beginning of last year, now I think he’s just about the most predictable commodity on the team.

by Luke in MN on Mar 29, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhhhhhhh

that’s my point. somehow denard has become “the most predictable commodity” on the team. That’s the expectation. I’m just saying, “what if”

by ajmargarine on Mar 29, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

First, I am assuming by 2010, you mean 2009

And by 2011, you mean 2010.

Second. I think you are contradicting yourself a bit. In one hand, you are saying that if Span tanks, it will be hugely detrimental to this team. On the other, you are saying you have no reason to think he will tank.

You could say this same thing about any player.

If Mauer tanks, it would be devastating. But we don’t have any reason to think he will. If Morneau tanks, it would suck. But we have no reason to think that’s going to happen. If the starting rotation tanks, our team is dead. But we have no reason to think they will.

I understand your point about Span not having as much experience as some of our other players. But he has put up very solid numbers through a season and a half and like you said, we have no reason to believe that he won’t continue. I think there is actually a better chance that his numbers improve, especially in the stolen base department.

I guess I just don’t see the logic in ‘worrying’ about a player who has given us exactly 0 reasons to make us worry.

by Twins4Life on Mar 29, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Denard... tanking?

Denard is the fucking man. No tanking allowed for him and he knows it.

by ckb on Mar 29, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Span

I think D-Nard has more than proven he is and will continue to be a very productive lead off hitter for this team. Even if he finds himself in a “slump” at any time this season, he has the attitude and mentality that he can and will get through it, FAST. For as young and “inexperienced” as he is, he is very mature and I think that will be very positive for himself and the team.

by WFOJesse10 on Mar 29, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Span

I’m with Margie (AJMargarine). I expect Span to be the player he was in the last two years. I think that expectation is reasonable. However, of players that are core (Mauer/Morneau/Cuddyer/Kubel, etc.), he is the most likely to regress significantly. This is because he has less than 2 years of experience (small sample size, 1000 PAs is not a lot). If he never succeeds again, people will talk about how it should have been obvious, based on his minor league numbers, lack of power, etc.

The other player who is scary is Liriano. This is because people here do expect high things from him, which the data doesn’t support at all. That said, this is an injury recovery issue, making it something of a crapshoot. I’m a probability man, myself, but know one person who says that in situations like this, it’s always 50/50 – he could or he couldn’t, and you know nothing more than that.

by snolls on Mar 29, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I worry......

have any central division teams imporved substantially to challenge the Twins on a day-to-day basis?

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by rosterman on Mar 29, 2010 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

The White Sox have a solid starting rotation.

So I think they pose the biggest threat. But I don’t think they have enough offense.

It’s so weird to say that as a Twins fan… I have heard the same argument made against us so many times.

by Twins4Life on Mar 29, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hypothetically

what if Jake Peavy pitches as well for Chicago as he did for the Padres, Rios returns to 5 WAR form, Quentin is an MVP again, Gordon Beckham is as good as anyone either hopes or dreads, Alexei Ramirez plays offense like 2008 and defense like 2009, Danks pitches like 2008, Floyd pitches like 2009 and none of the White Sox old dudes like Konerko or Buerhle get any worse?

The White Sox in that case would be really really good.

Of course that is about equivalent to Delmon living up to his potential, Mauer repeating 2009 except for a whole season, Liriano returning to 2006 form, Pavano pitching well and not getting injured or unlucky, Slowey meeting anyone’s best expectations, Kubel and Cuddyer repeating last year, Morneau repeating the first half of last year twice etc…

Hopefully those both happen and the Twins win the division by 2 games with 104 wins.

by ckb on Mar 29, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The odds of everything in your first paragraph happening are pretty slim

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 29, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And ESPN...

Will be talking about how the AL Central is one of the strongest divisions in the majors given that the Tigers are also expected to contend this year. By ckb’s scenairo, both the Twins and White Sox will be making the playoffs, but one will be as the Wild Card unless the Red Sox or Yankees post 105-106 wins to finish second in the AL East. The Twins have 104 wins and the White Sox have 102 to miss the playoffs.

by Jessy S on Mar 30, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

11. Target Field could be built on an old indian burial ground

Poltergeists tend to cause a lot of errors and zombies eat brains.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"All morons hate it when you call them a moron." -Holden Caufield

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Mar 29, 2010 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

haha – best response yet.

by snolls on Mar 29, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only concern I have

Is how the new hot dogs taste compared to the dome dogs I consumed in droves. If the new dogs are as good or better, I’m more than satisfied with anything this team does.

by SouthSotaPop on Mar 30, 2010 1:17 AM EDT reply actions  

could

That include trading Joe Mauer to the Yankees for beans?

by Jessy S on Mar 30, 2010 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

That depends...

Are they magic beans?

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Mar 30, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you liked Dome Dogs, which were made of spam slag

I’m pretty sure you’ll like the new dogs.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 30, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

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