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Reviewing the Joe Mauer Contract Winter Distraction Special

It's a good of a time as any to review recent history, what with Joe Mauer's agent Ron Shapiro flying into Fort Myers today.

October 13:  Kelly Theiser of MLB.com says Mauer had spoken to Shapiro about contract-related issues, but notes it was nothing serious.

October 30:  Theiser reporting again, this time assuring Twins fans across the globe that Mauer's patience isn't a sign that he's not interested.  Which, for anyone who's known Joe as Twins fans have, isn't a big surprise.  Mauer's fire burns inside.  This is the first time we hear that Mauer believes things will work out in their own time, and that it shouldn't be a race to the finish line.

November 11:  Charlie Walters of the Pioneer Press reports that the Twins and Mauer have begun contract discussions.

November 12:  Joe Christensen of the Star Tribune refutes Walter's report, saying talks actually hadn't started.

November 24:  Christensen reports indications that the Twins may attempt to sign Mauer by the end of the year.

November 29:  Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune speculates that Mauer would take less to stay in Minnesota, insomuch as he's likely to sign a contract that would pay him less than he'd receive on the open market.  This is usually true for most players, particularly when they're happy where they are.  Rogers speculated Mauer would get $20 million per, over six to eight years.

November 30:  Walters reports Mauer is looking for at least a seven year contract.

December 1:  Yahoo!'s Jeff Passan reports that, according to someone close to the situation, Mauer wanted a deal done by spring training.  According to Passan, if a deal wasn't done by then Mauer would test free agency.

December 1:  Hours later, Theiser reports that Mauer has denied Passan's rumor.  Mauer was quoted as saying:  "I'm not going to react to every story/rumor that comes out or comment on any negotiations. As far as that report, I don't know where that came from."

December 4:  At his Star Tribune blog, La Velle E. Neal III says the Twins still hadn't engaged Mauer in serious contract discussions, and that no deadline was set to complete the deal.

December 29:  Walters, citing an industry source, says Mauer could fetch $30 million per season on the open market.

January 25:  Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal speculates that contract talks would heat up in the last week of January.  Both sides had been in constant contact for some time, and all parties would be in one place for ESPN's "Homecoming with Rick Reilly".

January 29:  Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated reports that the Twins and Mauer have opened contract negotiations.  The source was Mauer's agent, Ron Shapiro.

January 29:  Later the same day, the Associated Press reports that Ron Gardenhire is "optimistic" that a deal would be done soon.

February 1:  Christensen reports two sources who indicated expectations that the Twins would sign Mauer in the not-too-distant future.  Money and years were agreed upon, according to the sources, with details like deferred payments still being discussed.

February 1:  Later that day, Mark Rosen of WCCO reports that the Twins and Mauer agreed to a 10-year contract.

February 1:  Still later that day, ESPN's Buster Olney is the first to refute Rosen's report.  He sites a source close to the team who says the 10-year extension isn't accurate.

February 1:  Heyman says that in spite of the false start on the contract anouncement, a deal could be finalized within the next few days.  According to Heyman, sources close to the negotiations say the deal would be for seven or eight years and in the range of $20 million per.

February 1:  In a tweet, MLB.com's Peter Gammons says it could be quite some time before a deal is completed.

February 7:  Back at the Chicago Tribune, Rogers reports that a deal may be for eight years, but not ten.

February 9:  Twins owner Jim Pohlad believes deferred money isn't a good idea, saying that you might as well "pay a player while he's playing for you".

February 21:  Mauer reports to camp.

March 4:  Shapiro flies into Fort Myers.  LEN III says talks have slowed recently, but says that the sides are expected to hold face-to-face talks.

Poll
When will Joe Mauer sign with the Twins?
Sometime during spring training
592 votes
During the regular season
38 votes
After the season
20 votes
He won't
94 votes

744 votes | Poll has closed

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Great post...

I thoroughly enjoyed reliving the agony of the inconsistent reports. Man, I wish that 10 year one had panned out. I could deal with a 37 year old Mauer. I really could.

by dctwin on Mar 4, 2010 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

At the moment...

… Only one other person is a negative Nellie, like me.

by Jon Marthaler on Mar 4, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

3 people don't think Mauer will sign?!

Where’s the faith?

RonGarde: Target Field is going to be exactly like Progressive Field, except you'll have a chance to die of frostbite in the middle of July

by fischean on Mar 4, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Have the Twins retained Secret Service security for Shapiro?

…just joking, but this trip into Ft. Myers has to be more than Shapiro just getting a few days in the sun. I am 100% hopeful, that this is it. He comes to town to iron out the last few details, the lawyers make the necessary changes, and the Twins, Joe and Shapiro all meet the press later this weekend or Monday!!!! Please Lord, let it be!

by roger13 on Mar 4, 2010 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

MN Media Fail

Why aren’t the Strib, Pioneer Press, local TV, local Radio and internet folks not putting the pressure on the FO and Maurer?
If this was NY, LA, Chicago or even Milwaukee there would be stories about this everyday and the speculation would be intense.

Instead the local media sucks up to the Twins and Joe by not reporting and “respecting” his decision to not talk about this.

The media’s lack of persistence makes MSP look more and more like a small backwater.

by clutterheart on Mar 4, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

The media's job is to report what's happening.

Not make crap up. I lived in NYC and it was ridiculous. Reading their sports pages and listening to their sports talk radio was an exercise in not banging my head against a wall.

Holding the Twins accountable and putting pressure on them are two massively, massively different things, and it’s not something I want to be a part of.

by Jesse on Mar 4, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed (I lived in NYC for too long, as well)

But there is a middle ground. I get that we don’t need to badger everyone about this, but a few questions wouldn’t kill anyone! We haven’t even had a “no comment” or “nothing to report” lately. It’s a big story…a little prying is probably warranted.

by dctwin on Mar 4, 2010 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

This I whole-heartedly agree with and endorse.

by Jesse on Mar 4, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

that's all I am asking for

But the MN Baseball media just is too cozy with the FO,and doesn’t pry.
They did it for Farve, why not for Joe?

by clutterheart on Mar 4, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen.

I always loved that one.

by FoulJack on Mar 4, 2010 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Another former NY resident

I actually loved the New York sports media, and still listen to WFAN now that I’m back in the midwest, but I love it mainly because (1) they talk baseball ALL THE TIME, (2) they are intensely and unreasonably hard on the NY teams, and (3) I hate the NY teams. I’d never want Minnesota’s media to emulate them, unless it was with regard to 1.

And come on, if they aren’t talking about it, they aren’t talking about it. You can just hound them until they give you something you can misinterpret as actual information, but that’s not exactly helpful to anyone.

by Luke in MN on Mar 4, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll go on record

The deal is done and has been done in principal for quite some time. They are waiting to announce it at Target Field. A big fat thank you to the fans and taxpayers of Minnesota.

Anyway, if I was in charge, that is how I would do it. Did I read somewhere the Twins and Cardinals are playing an exhibition game at Target? If so, even more conspiracy—the Twins and Cards are in collusion on a plan to make Pujols really want to resign. He’ll see the tremendous response the ‘surprise’ announcement generates, look at Joe, and think, “I want that for myself.”

Mark it down. And buy tickets to that game.

by Han Joelo on Mar 4, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm.

I’d like to subscribe to your magazine.

You get a cyber hi-5 if this happens.

by Jesse on Mar 4, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe

this is the case as well. Shapiro is just arriving in camp to iron out the final details, e.g. wether Mauer gets St. Paul or Minneapolis. But I believe that this deal has been basically done for a while (a few days before Twinsfest). The Twins or Mauer just are not leaking any info. We have heard nothing from Joe about it getting done when it gets done now for quite some time, so that tells me that it, in principal, is done.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

by 33MorneauMVP on Mar 4, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

oooh, you gave me goosebumps.

I have tickets to the first of those games.

by Luke in MN on Mar 4, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

who knows him?
Which, for anyone who’s known Joe as Twins fans have, isn’t a big surprise.

Why would we, as Twins fans, think we know anything about him? Wasn’t it just a couple of weeks ago right here we were so so SO positive he would sign because, after all, that’s the kind of guy he is?

by KENtastic on Mar 4, 2010 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

Well, that depends on how you think about it.

We only know him as Twins fans know him. We don’t know the real Joe, sure, but we know him as we do. And with that Joe, then it’s not a big surprise. Right?

by Jesse on Mar 4, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

fair enuf

“for anyone who’s known Joe as Twins fans have, isn’t a big surprise [because he’s very media savvy and gives very fan-friendly quotes to the press]”

i definitely agree with that.

by KENtastic on Mar 4, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I am going

to find those 33 that voted “no, he wont sign” and kick their tails!

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any of us." - Kirby Puckett

by 33MorneauMVP on Mar 4, 2010 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

we know he is going to sign

based on what?
I want to sign, I’m hoping he’ll sign, but if I stop and think about this, I have no idea if this will actually happen.
For you guys calling your shots and claiming you know that the deal is done, I hope you’re right. But what evidence do we have that the deal is done, or for that matter that the Twins are capable of pulling this off? Kirby’s deal? How long ago was that and the money involved is so much greater now.
Maybe Bill Smith really isn’t willing to allow defered money? He’s told the press he isn’t willing to do that. Maybe this is what’s holding everything up and old Billy is just trying to play chicken with Mauer?
I know this post has lots of what if’s but that’s my point, none of us “know” what’s going on with Mauer and the Twins.
I have no idea if Mauer will sign but I really want it to. All we got is hope.

by caluofmn on Mar 4, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

Think about where you'd lay your money in Vegas if you want to get past the blind hope

I’d treat it as something like a 90% chance he’d sign if I was laying down money. If you really think it’s not even a 50/50 shot, I think you’re just missing something.

by Luke in MN on Mar 4, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm bad at gambling

my emotions say it’s 99% chance he signs but my head tells me, but what if it ends up on that 1%?

And then I walk past the craps table and continue drinking…

But I do hear what you’re saying. Bill Smith just needs to cave and promise Joe that the Twins will get Grady from the Indians in the next 2 seasons so the he can say he’s playing on the prettiest team in baseball…Justin’s feeling be damned…

by caluofmn on Mar 4, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I would think

The other players on the team know what is going on. And if they thought there was a chance of Joe leaving, I think we’d be hearing more from them about how it needs to get done or it will be a distraction for all of them. I think the fact that everyone in camp seems pretty loose and unconcerned about it, we should be as well. It’ll get done. I just hope it is soon so we can put this behind us and move on to just being excited that games are starting!

by Twins4Life on Mar 4, 2010 3:20 PM EST reply actions  

disagree

the other players wouldn’t want their teammates blabbing about their contract negotations, so not sure why they would do it to mauer

by KENtastic on Mar 4, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, this is different

The Mauer contract negotiations are bigger than your average player’s contract negotiations. The success or failure of his negotiations will have a much bigger impact on teammates than, say, Slowey’s contract negotiations might. More incentive to talk about it and easier to slip up. In this case, I think no news is good news (though good news would be the best news). Seeds of discontent (or is it malcontent?) can be pretty hard to stifle with this many people involved.

by dctwin on Mar 4, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I have faith,

but that faith is not in Jesse’s pants.

I always loved that one.

by FoulJack on Mar 4, 2010 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

WHAT?!?

Then who’s HAVE I been keeping in there?

by Jesse on Mar 4, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, you might need to get yourself checked.

Errant faith isn’t always a good thing…

RonGarde: Target Field is going to be exactly like Progressive Field, except you'll have a chance to die of frostbite in the middle of July

by fischean on Mar 4, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Montanna...

I always loved that one.

by FoulJack on Mar 4, 2010 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

He wears pants?

I figured he was a kilt guy.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Mar 4, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't stand people that say Mauer is worth this much because Fan Graphs or WAR says he's worth that much

THAT is based on if every single team has a 100 Million dollar payroll or possibly even more
that is not how it works in real life and we should be only a 85-90 Million dollar payroll franchise….

I’m sick of people saying he’s worth 180M over 8 years or whatever

I hope he signs a deal that gives him 18-21 Million a year so people can shut up about it.

Lets go get Adrian Gonzalez..... how do you say holy shit! - ~en espanol ?

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 4, 2010 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

Who can't you stand?

People who use statistics to estimate value? I realize that’s a tough concept to grasp, and estimating based on what we think someone deserves, or what we want them to sign for is much more logical and accurate.

If you think fangraphs WAR is based on every team having a 100 million dollar payroll then you don’t understand it well enough to comment on it.

Payroll of the team does not affect how valuable a player is. It affects who can afford him, but the market determines price, which is based on value, which is based on expected production. Fangraphs WAR isn’t supposed to be the be-all end-all when deciding value of a player, but it’s better than deciding he isn’t worth 180 m over 8 years because you don’t think he is.

"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"

by Steven Ellingson on Mar 4, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I have no shred of evidence one way or the other, but I just don’t get a good feeling about Joe staying a Twins uniform after this year. At the very least, we’re probably going to have to sweat it out until after the season’s over.

I really hope I’m wrong on all accounts.

Let's Go Wild!

by redheadzeb on Mar 4, 2010 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

I hope you're wrong too. :)

RonGarde: Target Field is going to be exactly like Progressive Field, except you'll have a chance to die of frostbite in the middle of July

by fischean on Mar 4, 2010 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

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