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A nice post from Joe Posnanski, discussing the new Forbes revenue list - and just how much of an incredible financial advantage the Yankees have.

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Detroit Tigers (who spent 116% of their revenue — they lost almost $30 million in 2009

That’s unsustainable, especially considering their debt load and it suggests Detroit is headed back to the pack. They dealt away a lot of prospects recently and might have to rebuild in a couple seasons.

AL Central rankings in revenue
White Sox $194M
Tigers $188M (but dropping)
Indians $170M
Twins $162M (and rising)
Royals $155M

There are no financial limitations on contention for any team in the AL Central. That’s as close to financial parity as you will find in any division.

It is pretty shocking that the Yankees have about as much revenue as the Angels and Phillies combined. Good thing they can only have a 25 man roster. Their revenue stream virtually guarantees they will never have a rebuilding year.

by DJL44 on Apr 19, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps NY has the advantage winning their division and the series, but last time I checked, the Royals, Reds, Brewers, Pirates, A’s all play outside of the AL east. I don’t see how you put losing seasons and no playoff appearances on the Yankees.

Don’t the Mets play in New York? Shouldn’t they be dominant too?

Didn’t Boston win its first series since trading Ruth away in 2004? Now all I hear is whining about how dominant they are…but not about the Atlanta run of 14 consecutive postseasons…because that doesn’t fit the paradigm.

Why aren’t the Cubs juggernauts? The Dodgers?

I hate the Yankees, but they are well run these days, and many other teams that could maximize their financial advantages aren’t.

by Dale on Apr 19, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Small revenue teams maximizing revenue

I agree that it is in MLB’s best interest to have everyone maximizing their revenue streams. Teams should not be rewarded in revenue sharing by cutting salaries and cashing checks. There should be some way to incentivize smaller market teams for investing in their team, perhaps paying draft pick costs 50/50 from the revenue sharing pool so they don’t just go for the signability picks. Maybe there is a revenue sharing bonus $1M for each additional win above 75.

The player’s union should be fighting for bigger minimum salaries in response for any additional revenue sharing. MLB can easily afford to double rookie pay and a 20% hike to $500k should be the bare minimum.

by DJL44 on Apr 19, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold on...

I don’t see anyone demonizing the Yankees in these parts, or questioning their front office and organizational performance over the last few years. This discussion is about a structural inequality. The concern is simply the size of the advantage they have, not that they have it and/or other teams may have similar advantages over truly small market teams and fail to capitalize on them. Look at those Forbes numbers – the margin between the Yankees and second place in annual revenue is $160 million, on the order of 40%. And that’s to say nothing of the bottom half of the markets.

Yes, the Yankees are well run for the most part these days, but they don’t have to be with the $$ advantage they’ve got. The Yankees payroll as handled by Cubs management is still going to make the playoffs virtually every year. Well, maybe that’s a bad example. :^)But the point is evidenced by the fact that, despite some not-so-well-run years in the last decade since the dynasty ended, NYY were still in the ALCS seemingly every year. Frankly, it’s a miracle of ineptitude and bad management when they don’t manage to make the playoffs.

Your point about the Yankees revenue stream not directly making it more difficult for KC, Pittsburgh, etc. to compete in the regular season is a good one, although it doesn’t negate how unfair it is for Toronto, Baltimore and Tampa. And, in one sense at least, it does still impact the little guy teams in a direct way every time one of them loses solid talent or even a franchise guy to New York because their revenue stream simply cannot be jacked up enough to retain them. It is difficult to be terribly sympathetic to the franchises that haven’t found a way to maximize the revenue they can find, especially now that we’ve managed to get a new stadium and are finding ways to keep Mauer, Morneau, etc. around as a core for a little longer than we could before. But Posnanski’s main point is that there are a lot of teams out there, including the Twins, who could expand their fan base as much as possible, squeeze every available penny out of it, and spend an unhealthy amount of that revenue on payroll, but still be waaaaaaay behind the Yankees on a year-in, year-out basis.

For what it’s worth, my opinion on most of the whining about how consistently good the BoSox are is that it has nothing to do with payroll and big free agent signings, and everything to do with how their fan base went from pitiable to loathsome in the span of just three years.

by MCA1 on Apr 19, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

The Yankees are two big market teams

The Yankees have the revenue stream of 2 large market teams, or 3 small market teams. It is staggering how much advantage they have over the Mets. That’s a GOOD thing for MLB in general – the league should be maximizing overall revenue and maximizing Yankee revenue is big part of that plan. However, the Yankees using that revenue to dominate baseball is a BAD thing for MLB. MLB should be trying to find ways to reinvest the Yankee $$ in the smaller franchises to lift MLB as a whole. If they can use 1 Yankee $$ to gain 2 Pittsburgh $$ then they’re helping out everyone by maximizing marginal revenue.

The perfect balance is to have the Yankees in the playoffs nearly every year but not sweeping through the playoffs every year. Revenue is usually maximized for a team when they are in the playoffs so having Yankee teams in the playoffs maximizes MLB revenue. However, the fans of other teams need to have hope their team can beat the Yankees or they’ll stop paying attention.

MLB has been balancing on that fine line for several seasons now. The problems are starting to show up in the AL East where attendance and franchise value is declining for the Orioles, Blue Jays and Rays. Franchise value is also falling for the Mets – the Yankee’s market competitor. If there were no wild card things would be even worse.

There is a good argument that the Yankees should subsidize their direct AL East competitors more than the rest of the league. The Jays, Rays and Orioles are the teams with the structural disadvantage of playing in the division with the lowest odds of making the playoffs. It could start with something as simple as a bigger cut of the gate for opponents or perhaps sharing local TV revenue evenly with the other team for each game. If you did that, teams would be fighting to play in the AL East, not trying to get out.

by DJL44 on Apr 19, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would support something like a cap where teams could not spend more than 150% on median MLB revenue on player salaries…or something like that. And you’d have to impose a floor as well. The rest can go to profits for the team. Everyone is happy.

If its just revenue sharing, the Yankees will always have the advantage since their revenue will likely always be far greater than the rest of the league.

by Dale on Apr 19, 2010 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Except the players

That would be incredibly unfair to the players, who would sacrifice money which would stay with yankees owners.

That would be an unfair competitive practice, putting the players in a poor bargaining position, leading to strikes. I think we can agree that everyone loses in a strike (especially the fans).

by snolls on Apr 20, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Revenue sharing is much better than a salary cap.

Yankees get a boatload of money from their local cable-TV channel. Sure Yankee fans might think that its “fair” that they should share some of that, but as cut-throat as the competition may seem in baseball, its still a “league” and they don’t actually want to put the other teams out of business… they need someone to play.

There needs to be stipulations as to how that money is spent. From what I’ve read, the most profitable team is not the Yankees, but the Marlins. They take in the revenue sharing money and only pay players enough to make the wild card race interesting. Its ironic that the two times they’ve managed to make the playoffs, they’ve won it all.

by DavidRF on Apr 20, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's the Rub

If you force the Yankees to give up X amount of money at the gate to every game at Yankee Stadium, a team like the Twins will have to give Y amount of money at the gate to every game at Target Field. Let’s say that there isn’t any salary cap and the revenue sharing total agreeed upon by the teams and players is 30% meaning that 30% of the revenue generated at Target Field will go to the opposing team which could be the Yankees. For the sake of arguement, let’s say the Yankees proposed the situation and everybody agreed. Even if cut is a million dollars a night, it only replaces what the Yankees or another team took when they came to town. In other words, we are back to square one.

What we need is a hard salary cap and floor. If we have that, teams like Pittsburgh, Florida, Kansas City, and Oakland will be forced to spend their way into contention, baseball will become more relevent, and more teams will be able to grow their revenue the way they see fit.

by Jessy S on Apr 20, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

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