Baseball Tonight on Wilson Ramos

ESPN's Karl Ravech writes about Wilson Ramos's Twins debut.

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Trade?

I say trade him today while his value is at its highest. Maybe even up for Tim Lincecum? :)

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by FishingMN on May 3, 2010 9:51 AM EDT reply actions

hmmmmm

this was tongue in cheek, right?

by Milt on Tilt on May 3, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Yes

Thus the :) at the end.

And now after game 2, clearly we’d be getting ripped off and they’d have to throw in a top prospect too :)

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by FishingMN on May 4, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions

"twins tough"

That made me chuckle, because I really did think “OK, this guy’s OK” after he took the shot off his foot.

by dctwin on May 3, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions

I actually was really mad at him for that.

Why wouldn’t you wear the foot protector?!? He almost put himself on the DL in his second AB because he doesn’t wear the basic protective gear. Drove me nuts.

by Luke in MN on May 3, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions

Oh, I agree with that

I just meant AFTER he almost killed himself, I liked that he just shook it off. Shades of Red Dawg.

by dctwin on May 3, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, and he did wear the pad after that

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by cmathewson on May 3, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions

What's the latest on Jose Morales?

I know Ramos projects to be better eventually… but Morales’s status is still worth tracking in 2010.

by DavidRF on May 3, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions

He's dealing with multiple injuries

He hurt his shoulder trying to compensate for the wrist in ST. The last I heard, he hurt his other wrist. Apart from his ability to come back from this latest injury, the Twins’ patience is running thin (so says LEN3). I wouldn’t be surprised if the Twins sign a veteran free agent catcher just for depth.

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by cmathewson on May 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Have the Twins ever loved Morales's defense?

I don’t think so, and I’d guess that would be a big strike against with Ramos around. Essentially he gives you the best of both Morales and Butera, with bonus power added in.

by Luke in MN on May 3, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions

Ramos in on another plane from those two

If Morales can ever stay healthy he would be a decent back-up catcher. Butera isn’t even that.

Ramos is star caliber. He hits the ball as hard as any young player I’ve seen since I first saw Pujols play with the Cardinals at Ramos’ age. If he can learn to square it up as often as Pujols, he’d be tough to trade. If he wasn’t such a good defender, I would advocate DHing him and moving Kubel to left. But he’s a much better defender than Butera. Butera is a good defender. Ramos is an excellent defensive catcher.

They will probably have to trade him at some point. I just hope they don’t do it until they get comparable value, which will be tough. We’re talking Phil Hughes value.

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by cmathewson on May 3, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions

I hope he's as good as you say.

The walk rate scares me. Is he going to be a Delmon Young, who can obviously mash the ball, but swings at 75% of pitches outside the zone in his first three years in the bigs?
(guesstimated that stat btw.) I want to see if he helps a pitcher out who’s just nibbling at the corners.

Obviously, the guy looked amazing yesterday. I also gave him many bonus points for looking rather badass.

by Luke in MN on May 3, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Not just yesterday

I saw him a couple of times this spring and he looked like a man among boys. I also trust TK’s analysis. His highest compliment is “I would love to exchange places with that guy.” He’s said it about four people that I know of: Erickson in ’91, Santana in ’04, Mauer in ’06 and now Ramos.

I also gave him many bonus points for looking rather badass.

Me too.

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by cmathewson on May 3, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Errors

It might be just me, but it seems like there were quite a few errors in that article. Ramos didn’t foul the ball off his foot in his first at-bat, did he? I thought it was his second or third. And Rauch hasn’t converted his first 7 sv chances, has he? He’s 7 for 8, right? I could be wrong as I haven’t researched, but that’s what I thought.

by Neil34 on May 3, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions

I noticed those

You’re right. It was Ramos’ second at bat, when he fouled the ball off his foot and then singled up the middle. In his first at bat, he singled to left. And Rauch blew save chance number 7. He did get the win in that game, but not the save. He’s officially 7-8 in save opportunities.

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by cmathewson on May 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, many errors. The article also makes it sound like he hit 2 doubles, not 1.

by Luke in MN on May 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

bb-ref blogpost

link

I got them to feature Ramos’s game for one of their blogposts. So they have links to box-scores of the other times this has happened in the “retrosheet era” (1920-39,1952-2010).

Another reader found an Elias Sports Bureau document that fleshed out the list:

Most Hits, First Major League Game
5 Fred Clarke, NL:Lou. June 30, 1894 (1-3b)

Since 1900:
4 Ray Jansen, AL:StL. Sept. 30, 1910
Art Shires, AL:Chi. Aug. 20, 1928 (1-3b)
Russ Van Atta, AL:NY Apr. 25, 1933
Spook Jacobs, AL:Phil. Apr. 13, 1954
Ted Cox, AL:Bos. Sept. 18, 1977 (1-2b)
Kirby Puckett, AL:Minn. May 8, 1984
Billy Bean, AL:Det. Apr. 25, 1987 (2-2b)
Casey Stengel, NL:Brk. Sept. 17, 1912
Ed Freed, NL:Phil. Sept 11, 1942 (2-2b, 1-3b)
Willie McCovey, NL:SF July 30, 1959 (2-3b)
Mack Jones, NL:Mil. July 13, 1961 (1-2b)
Delino DeShields, NL:Mtl. Apr. 9, 1990 (1-2b)
Derrick Gibson, NL:Col. Sept. 8, 1998 (1-2b)

Extra-Inning Game:
5 Cecil Travis, AL:Wash. May 16, 1933 (12 inn)