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Saturday Morning Baseball & Breakfast: Twins Trade Rumors (aka Cliff Lee Rumors), the AL Central, Brendan Harris

Update, 9:05 am:  Over at FoxSports, Rosenthal says:

...two executives from clubs that have called the Mariners about Lee say that the team is indeed willing to trade the pitcher immediately for the right offer.

So that's interesting.  Rosenthal re-states that the "industry" believes the Twins will be the front-runner, but "sources" list the Rangers, Mets and Dodgers as the teams who have called the Mariners on their ace.

I'd imagine the Twins have probably called on him as well, but as we know this front office plays everything extremely close to the vest.

A few tidbits as we wait for Pavstache to strike down Santana...

  • There's been a lot of stuff thrown around regarding the Twins and Cliff Lee over the past week.  There's speculation, like the U.S.S. Mariner believing Minnesota is the perfect fit (although the package suggested is a bit Seattle friendly, check out Seth's informed rebuttal at TwinsCentric).  Then there's inside information from Ken Rosenthal:  unnamed General Manager thinks the Twins will be very active before the deadline, but Twins say they have more pressing needs than an ace pitcher...third base.
  • Recent rumors involved the Mets pushing for Cliff Lee, but Bleacher Report has an unverified rumors that the Twins and Mariners had a deal in place that fell through when Wilson Ramos strained his oblique.  Minnesota was allegedly sending Ramos, Brian Duensing and a lower-level outfielder to Seattle for Lee...which sounds a lot more like a TwinsCentric package than a U.S.S. Mariner package.  But, again, the rumor is unverified and is nothing more than speculation
  • On Thursday, Michael Cuddyer said this"Cliff Lee would look good in any uniform...especially a Minnesota Twins uniform."  Let's hope it's foreshadowing.
  • There haven't been any new developments in the Mike Lowell rumors, but he's now on the disabled list.  This drops his value lower than it already was, but it also illustrates one of the many, many reasons why the Twins should stay away:  he's not healthy.
  • While the Twins and Tigers lost last night, meaning the Twins hang by a thread to first place, the White Sox won their tenth straight to move within 1.5 games.  I'm ready for interleague play to be over, because for the first time in recent memory it's doing us harm.  And by some awful coincidence, it's giving Chicago everything they could have prayed for.
  • Cleveland and Kansas City are still terrible.  So that's something.
  • We all know about Brendan Harris being outrighted to Rochester after the game Thursday afternoon, and the arrival of Jason Repko.  But in case you were still confused at all by what being "outrighted" means, here's the short version.  Step 1, player becomes less useful than he should be.  Step 2, organization places players on outright waivers, which last 72 hours (during which time the player remains on the active roster).  Step 3, player gets claimed.  If player does not get claimed, go to step 4.  Step 4, Player clears waivers and is outrighted.  Because Harris was out of options but had less than five years of service time, he has to accept the assignment.

See you for the game, it's a noon start!

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Wigginton makes so much sense

If they’re willing to play Cuddyer at 3B they can’t be upset with Wigginton’s defense. He won’t cost much either. I don’t know of another contender who wants a third baseman. Maybe Oakland?

by DJL44 on Jun 26, 2010 8:15 AM EDT reply actions  

We'll be doing a series of deadline primers and posts in the coming weeks.

But if you want to ride the guy who’s having a great year, Wigginton isn’t a bad way to go. The cautionary tale is that the road is littered with mediocre players on hot years who were traded, and then sucked for the new team. I’m not saying I’m opposed to Wigginton, because I think the Twins could do a lot worse (by doing nothing, for example), but I’d like to see them explore all the options to see if they can get someone better.

by Jesse on Jun 26, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Hardy EVER comes off the DL ...

doesn’t 3B become LNP’s position by default? And then this horrible experiment with Cuddy at 3B can come to a merciful end.

by SteadyDietOfCheese on Jun 26, 2010 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The sooner, the better.

I know Hardy’s offense isn’t great, but his defense is solid. And yeah, Cuddyer doesn’t belong at third.

by Jesse on Jun 26, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Forget Cliff Lee!

I hear the Cubs may be looking to “unload” Carlos Zambrano!

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jun 26, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Look how happy Cliff Lee is just thinking of the possibility that he may become a Twin!

Get it done, and soon please. And don’t include Duensing in the trade, if at all possible. Thanks, FO.

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by fischean on Jun 26, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I would gladly include Duensing in any deal for Lee,

provided he was the only pitcher. Ramos, Duensing and, say, Joe Benson…I’d probably pull that trigger.

by Jesse on Jun 26, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would too. It'd be disappointing, but not a deal breaker.

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by Twins33 on Jun 26, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be the key, though.

As the only pitcher. If it had to be done…well, yeah. Sad, but beneficial.

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by fischean on Jun 26, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping that interleague doesn't jump start the Sox like it usually does for the Twins

We will see.

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by Twins33 on Jun 26, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know what the worries at 3B are?

I should say I don’t know why it’s a huge worry. Sure it’s an obvious place we could upgrade but why it’s more important than adding an elite pitcher confuses me. Valencia has played well for a rookie in his limited plate appearances. I say we keep starting him when interleague is done and see if he continues to play well then don’t worry about it. A move for a rental player simlilar to Cabrera last year wouldn’t be a bad idea if for no other reason than depth.

I guess I’m just too used to watching Twins teams with multiple holes that now we have one with only one position player wise and I’m happy with it.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jun 26, 2010 6:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

I think this is media projection. Antony seemed really excited about Valencia going into this year. Based on how he’s played so far, I don’t see why they would be so disappointed in him to give up on him entirely. Even if they did, Cuddyer is doing OK over there.

Based on the way the starters outside of Liriano and Pavano have pitched, it is pretty clear the biggest hole on the team is in the starting staff. And his name is Blackburn.

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by cmathewson on Jun 27, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

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