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Has Interleague Play Outlived Its Value?

For decades, baseball discussed the concept of interleague play, and in 1997, it was finally introduced. For the first time ever, teams from the American and National Leagues played regular-season games against each other, and we were all entertained, and in the aftermath of the 1994 players' strike, that's all baseball wanted.

And so, things were fun for awhile. The big TV networks got to broadcast Yankees-Mets games and Cubs-White Sox games and Athletics-Giants games and all of the other big interleague rivalries that people seemed to be so desperate to see. That a bunch of teams didn't have a natural rival was quietly ignored; the Padres and the Mariners even attempted to manufacture a rivalry, based on the teams sharing a spring training base and a time zone.

We've now muddled along for fourteen seasons, with interleague series becoming increasingly meaningless. For example, there were a few attempts to tie the Braves' visit to Target Field in with the 1991 World Series, but had it not been for the grizzled visage of Bobby Cox and the pennants in left field, there'd be almost no connections between the franchises. Besides, Atlanta had been to Minneapolis twice since that series - in 2002 and in 2007 - and so the excitement was lost. (Strangely, the Twins haven't visited Atlanta in that same span, evidence that something's amiss with the scheduling.)

In the past few years, the only particularly exciting thing about interleague play was that the Twins were allowed to beat up on National League opposition and pad their record. In 2010, they couldn't even do that: they went 8-10, their worst interleague record in years, and lost serious ground to their division rivals. Detroit picked up three games, Chicago an astonishing seven, and the three teams have suddenly been compressed to a game and a half from each other in the standings.

This might be fine, except the three teams didn't play the same interleague schedule, or even a similar interleague schedule. The only team that Chicago, Detroit, and Minnesota all played was Atlanta, which is in first place in the NL East. Credit goes to the White Sox for sweeping the Braves, but Atlanta was the only National League team that the Sox played that had a winning record. They got six with the mediocre Cubs, plus series against fourth-place Florida and last-place wonders Washington and Pittsburgh.

Detroit also got series with Washington and Pittsburgh, along with the only awful team in the West, Arizona - three series against the three last-place teams in the NL. They, unfortunately for them, also had to play the Dodgers and Mets besides Atlanta - three teams with winning records. They were 8-1 against the dregs, 3-6 against the teams with winning records.

And the Twins, if it hadn't been for their "rivalry" series with the Brewers, they would have been stuck with only series against winning teams - Atlanta, Colorado, Philadelphia, and the Mets. (Dropping four of six to the Brewers didn't help, of course.)

Should Twins fans complain? Not really; the schedule has worked out favorably in the past for Minnesota and the team's problems aren't due to the schedule-makers.  But with Chicago, Detroit, and Minnesota competing for one thing - an AL Central pennant - it seems unfair to play more than a tenth of the schedule against a random set of teams from the other league.

So I wonder - is interleague play beyond its usefulness? (I'm not the only one who thinks so, either.) It was a good way to drum up interest in the late 1990s, but we are talking about two leagues with different rules, a different number of teams, and different ways of playing. And given the screwiness inherent in getting the schedules to balance, is it unfair to have teams in the same division playing different schedules?

It was entertaining for awhile - but maybe it's time to go back to the way things were.

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I'm not jusy saying this cause we had a bad year

But I agree. And I have wanted to go back to normal for a few years now. I just think it takes away from the World Series, where the two leagues finally meet for all the marbles.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. ~ Terence Mann

by John Veldhuis on Jun 28, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I like interleague

There’s no reason to get too excited for it – like they tried to work out the first few years, but it’s still fun. I agree that they should find a way to match divisions against each other, so that teams get similar competition, but I don’t think it matters too much.

by snolls on Jun 28, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't like interleague

mostly because I only follow the AL so I’m not familiar with most of the NL players.

by Stefa on Jun 28, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I think there's too much interleague play

I don’t mind it as a midsummer diversion. But fortunes should not be won or lost in it. I say limit it to six games with your designated rivals and two other three-game series. And keep it around the All-Star game. Don’t start interleague play in early June. Finally, can we do away with pitchers hitting in interleague play? No one should have to pay to watch Scott Baker hit.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 28, 2010 10:49 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

It kinda guarantees an out for any AL team once every 9 batters. I also think they should just pick one rule and have both leagues follow it, but that’s a different discussion.

The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. ~ Terence Mann

by John Veldhuis on Jun 28, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say

One of my favorite parts of interleague is watching the pitchers hit. It’s fun.

Although I don’t like the pinch hitting stuff we get into because of it.

by Anjemon on Jun 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like this idea

I’d take it one step further, just play one home series and one away series against your designated rival team, except there’s 16 NL teams and 14 AL teams.

They might have to move a team to the AL to make this work.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jun 28, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think they should move Milwaukee back

Put them in the central and move KC to the West. The Twins would have to pair up with a different interleague rival. But it would make the schedule work a lot better.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 28, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

KC could be our rival

I’d take them for our 6 games a year haha

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jun 28, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty much agree with cmat here...

It was a post-strike gimmick to increase attendance. I don’t think we’d ever get rid of it completely, because MLB likes their Yankees/Mets series’ but somehow de-emphasizing it would be nice.

And its not just sour grapes, either. I’ve felt this way from day one. Even in the years when we gained from Interleague play (which was most years other than this one).

by DavidRF on Jun 28, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few games is OK

But I’m pretty sick of these non-DH having weirdos right about now. It’s novelty has worn out for me.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jun 28, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Keep It

I like seeing the NL players who we would otherwise never see and I enjoy watching Baker attempt to hit the ball.

Punto Sucks

by mike1717 on Jun 28, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Once a year I like to see a world-class athlete like Baker look like a fool in the batter’s box just to remind me how hard it is to hit a baseball.

by Luke in MN on Jun 28, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too!

I love interleague play. There’s perhaps a bit too much of it, but it’s great stuff. Just great. I get to see players – and teams – I’d never normally see.

I got to see the Rockies, in person, at Target Field. The ROCKIES! That was really fun.

Go Twins!

by Patrick42 on Jun 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I dislike the DH rule, and I think it’s fun to see teams that we ordinarily wouldn’t see (seeing the Cubs and Cards in person in 2000 was one of my baseball-watching highlights).

That said, it does cause competitive balance issues – if anything, more interleague play would be a way to solve that, because you could then go with two 15-team leagues and more easily balance the schedule, rather than have to work around two funny-sized divisions.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jun 28, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

They should do what the NFL does...

Every team in a division plays against all of the teams in an interleague division so that the measure is fair… you could also protect an interleague rivalry (MIL-MN, CHI-CHI, NY-NY, etc) for the fans sake.

"Nihilists?... I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude... at least it's an ethos."
The Rivalry, Esq.

by JDMill on Jun 28, 2010 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Could This Make More Sense?

jerdogg1 is right with this. Only MLB would set up a schedule that doesn’t allow for a competitive balance. Of course, without a salary cap, why even pretend that there’s any form of competitive balance in baseball? They should have a rotating schedule so that each team in a division plays the same interleague teams. The interleague rivalry thing can go away though. It’s another way to create an unbalanced competitive situation. For example, the Mets having to play the Yankees every year while Washington plays Baltimore? If Washington was in the pennant race, they’d be at a serious disadvantage. Great post, by the way. I was thinking about this very topic myself.

by G. D. on Jun 28, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They used to have the rotating schedule

I am not sure why it was done away with, but in all seriousness I really don’t think it made a huge difference this year. The Twins have not played well for the past few weeks really and it has more to do with the way they are playing (I mean, how do you get swept by a Brewers team that entered the series 11-19 at home) than who they are playing.

by Sheldon on Jun 28, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather it end for the most part

I prefer making interleague a standard format or getting rid of it. The idea of going to 15-team leagues with an even amount of games against every team in the opposite league throughout the year would be the ideal way to continue forward.

I’d still prefer to get rid of it, but if it’s here to stay (which I think it is), then make it an integral part of the schedule, not some novelty. Plus, end the allstar game/world series link and make WS home field go to the league that wins the interleague matchup for the year.

by PinkiePinkerton on Jun 28, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

The answer

It’s useless when the Twins go 8-10. It’s useful when the Twins go 12-6.

by RandBall's Stu on Jun 28, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

blah blah blah

It is not going away. The schedules will not be balanced. This year the Twins got the short end of the stick when it came to the schedule. I would be more interested if they played with NL rules in AL parks and vice versa.

by loudjon on Jun 28, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

The short end of the stick angle is overblown - we played like crap and we lost games

Our “rival” is the Brewers of all teams. The Tigers and White Sox had slightly easier schedules, but not by a whole lot. We have one of the easiest scheules remaining.

This is a great time to be playing the Tigers because we’ve been scoreboard watching too much. The only score that matters tonight is our own.

by DavidRF on Jun 28, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

When we pitched like crap, we got our asses handed to us. When we pitched well, we beat the best pitchers on the best teams.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jun 28, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mostly

I’ve been just about as worried about the offense lately. During this last 3-7 stretch, the Twins have scored more than five runs exactly twice, and the run totals have been 0-0-1-2-3-4-5-5-6-13 (3.9 R/G).

I’d have felt a lot better about that stretch if they’d been losing games 8-7 or 2-1 rather than 6-0 and 5-1 like it actually was – the offense and defense both went to crap simultaneously. On the plus side, that means we’re ripe for a comeback on both sides of the ball! Right?

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jun 28, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right!

man I hope so..

Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD

by Twins33 on Jun 28, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

Otherwise, we’re in for a looong July.

The Pavstache will own you.

by fischean on Jun 28, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like interleague play, because I like seeing the Twins play teams that they normally don't

I do agree that it’s a bit too long though. I hate that the pitcher has to come out of the game for a pinch hitter too, like Liriano had to in a game this season. That was at least one or two innings too early for him to leave.

Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD

by Twins33 on Jun 28, 2010 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I just wish it were even.

If you listen to Mike and Mike in the morning, they broke it down.

Basically, SD played TB, SEA (6 times) and BAL. While the Dodgers played NY, BOS and TEX. Considering the two are battling for the division, it doesn’t seem that fair. If teams are in the same division then they should pretty much play another division like the NFL does it.

Not even sure who the Tigers and Whitesox played in interleague, or how it compares to who Min played…but knowing that CHI killed it, I’m going to have to take a look and see.

by Joshua P on Jun 28, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Interleague = Not That Big of a Deal

Bloggers sometimes act like there is a big deal with interleague because they need something to write about. Interleague is not a big deal. Yeah, so the Twins played some teams who have won some more games than the teams some other teams played. You know how much of baseball is all luck anyway? Sometimes the Twins play a team that is sucking early in the year, and by the time the White Sox play that same team the team is on fire. Besides, the Twins didn’t even do that well this year against the Orioles, who supposedly suck.

Luck is a huge part of baseball. The fact the Twins played so-and-so teams while the White Sox played so-and-so teams doesn’t make any real difference. Who says the Twins wouldn’t have just come out with the same record even if they played teams with worse records?

I like interleague because I like seeing new players and the NL style of play. I liked Bert’s suggestion though—have the pitchers hit in their own park, and a DH in the NL away parks, so fans in the other city can watch the different style.

"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez

by myjah on Jun 28, 2010 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Two interleague series a year for each team would be reasonable, sandwiched around the all star game. But we’d have to move a team back to the AL to accomplish this.

Otherwise, yes, let’s get rid of it.

But we all know how stubborn Bud Selig is. What a character he is. He drastically changed baseball when he came in, changing the playoffs, the divisions, moving the Brewers to the NL, and interleague play. Since then, he has done nothing. Zip. Nada. He sat on his hands and the drug scandals took over the league, he feigned ignorance when he surely knew that all of his superstars were cheating and lying. He is the worst kind of man: one who will gladly rake in the profits and no one else matters.

We nearly lost the Twins due to his shakeups moving all of the money in the AL to the AL East. Somehow, the NL was not damaged in a similar manner.

But enough ranting — yes, interleague should go. Under Selig, it is sure to stay since this is one of his babies.

by Boot on Jun 28, 2010 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Just to play devil's advocate for a sec...

If we had gone 12-6 in interleague play, I don’t think this post would have been submitted. So, I don’t think we have a right to complain. We have dominated interleague play since it’s inception, and have often padded a division lead or made up ground like the Sox did this year.

I’m not a fan of interleague play, but our issues really have nothing to do with the teams we are playing (as you mentioned). The Twins are just under-performing. They’ll get it straightened out. As far as the topic goes, I wish they would just axe the interleague play altogether. They won’t, because of the money that the Subway Series etc makes for TV revenue.

by toke1 on Jun 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

this thread drew some lurkers out of the closet! Who woulda thunk it.

My life's goal: to force fischean itno using her moderator powers

by montanatwinsfan on Jun 29, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions  

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