Will the real Danny Valencia please stand up?
Let me offer the understatement of 2010: Danny Valencia has been pretty darn good since he got called up on June 2. Now let me be more specific: Danny Valencia is hitting .400/.449/.511 in 98 plate appearances since his promotion, and is leading all major league third basemen in OPS in July. Two nights ago he hit his first major league homerun - a grand slam, of course - and he's compiled 14 hits and 8 RBIs over the past four games. Have I mentioned that the early returns on his defense have been positive, and even defensive metrics like UZR and the Plus/Minus system have given him solid preliminary marks?
Yeah, Danny Valencia has been pretty darn good since he got called up.
Given the fact that Valencia has worn the mantle of "third baseman of the future" for so long, I'm sure many Twins fans who have watched him play the past few nights are starting to wonder why in the world it took so long for Danny to get his shot in the majors. Third base has been an offensive wasteland for the Twins for several seasons, and Valencia is looking like the best bat we've had at the position since Corey Koskie departed after the 2004 season.
Of course, I'm sure most readers that frequent this site know things aren't nearly that simple.
Valencia hit well in the lower level of the minors, showing quite a bit of pop and hitting for a good average (although with consistently low walk rates). Unfortunately, his pop diminished considerably in AAA, while his lack of plate discipline remained:
|
Year |
Age |
Level |
PA |
AVG |
OBP |
SLG |
ISOP |
BB% |
|
2006 |
21 |
RK |
218 |
0.299 |
0.353 |
0.487 |
0.188 |
6.90% |
|
2007 |
22 |
A |
271 |
0.302 |
0.373 |
0.500 |
0.198 |
10.30% |
|
2007 |
22 |
A+ |
250 |
0.291 |
0.332 |
0.422 |
0.131 |
6.40% |
|
2008 |
23 |
A+ |
251 |
0.336 |
0.402 |
0.518 |
0.182 |
10.80% |
|
2008 |
23 |
AA |
284 |
0.289 |
0.335 |
0.483 |
0.194 |
6.30% |
|
2009 |
24 |
AA |
252 |
0.284 |
0.373 |
0.482 |
0.198 |
12.30% |
|
2009 |
24 |
AAA |
282 |
0.290 |
0.309 |
0.457 |
0.167 |
2.80% |
|
2010 |
25 |
AAA |
202 |
0.292 |
0.347 |
0.373 |
0.081 |
6.90% |
Given his relatively poor showing at AAA, some very smart people were skeptical of Danny's ability to have an impact in the majors. The money quote from Fangraphs:
"According to Minor League Splits, Valencia's work between Double-A and Triple-A in 2009 translated to a .248/.285/.389 line in the majors. His tepid 2010 works out to a .255/.302/.324 major league equivalent triple-slash. CHONE (.252/.295/.388 pre-season projection) and ZiPS (.251/.294/.377) forecast similarly mild lines for Valencia in the show.
As a mid-twenties farm talent who doesn't work many deep counts and doesn't possess mammoth power, Valencia has the look of a less-than-ideal option as an everyday player in the big leagues."
Mr. Valencia would like to respectfully disagree with that previous assessment.
So how do we explain Valencia's performance to date? Well, I think we can all agree that he's playing a little over his head right now. How much? Let's look at some more numbers:
|
Yr |
Age |
Level |
GB% |
LD% |
FB% |
BABIP |
HR/FB |
|
2006 |
21 |
RK |
45.60% |
17.80% |
36.70% |
0.344 |
14.77% |
|
2007 |
22 |
A/A+ |
55.40% |
12.60% |
32.00% |
0.351 |
14.48% |
|
2008 |
23 |
A+/AA |
43.50% |
19.00% |
36.70% |
0.38 |
10.96% |
|
2009 |
24 |
AA/AAA |
50.50% |
14.20% |
35.10% |
0.318 |
9.73% |
|
2010 |
25 |
AAA |
37.50% |
21.70% |
40.10% |
0.358 |
0.00% |
|
2010 |
25 |
MLB |
41.80% |
20.30% |
38.00% |
0.449 |
3.30% |
So here we have a guy that is seemingly doing everything the same he was going in AAA - similar GB/LD/FB rates, similar lack of power, similarly low walk rates - and having dramatically different results. So what's changed? Let's just say a suspiciously high number of balls in play have turned into hits for Valencia:
|
Split |
AB |
H |
2B |
3B |
HR |
BA |
SLG |
OPS |
BAbip |
|
Ground Balls |
35 |
15 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0.429 |
0.429 |
0.858 |
0.429 |
|
Fly Balls |
28 |
6 |
1 |
0 |
1 |
0.214 |
0.357 |
0.571 |
0.185 |
|
Line Drives |
16 |
15 |
6 |
0 |
0 |
0.938 |
1.313 |
2.250 |
0.938 |
Um, wow.
|
|
BABIP |
AL AVG |
|
Ground Balls |
0.429 |
0.231 |
|
Fly Balls |
0.185 |
0.142 |
|
Line Drives |
0.938 |
0.723 |
That is simply unsustainable. Now, I'm not smart enough to make a good estimate of what Valencia's BABIP on each of these different types of batted balls "should" be, but let's imagine for a second that Valencia's BABIP this season mirrored the league average. He'd lose about seven hits on ground balls, another one from his fly balls, and three more from his line drives. For sake of argument, let's let him keep all of his extra base hits, but turn 11 of his singles into outs. What would his batting line look like?
.278/.337/.389
That looks a lot closer to what we might have expected from Valencia based on his recent minor league track record. It's also a pretty good approximation of the numbers Nick Punto posted in 2006 and 2008. (Remember, though, not to take these specific numbers too seriously, given the limited sample sizes we're working with. If, for example, Danny's homerun two nights ago caught a gust of wind and fell for a warning track out, his "expected" batting line would be .267/.327/.344. That's a 55 point swing in OPS.)
OK, let me repeat what I said before: I don't know what sort of BABIP we should expect from Valencia, therefore the very rough estimate I posted above may be treating Danny unfairly. I know there are many different "expected BABIP" formulas out there, and I'm sure some are very good. However, since I don't know which are reliable and which are junk, I won't throw them into the discussion here, but I welcome others to contribute in the comments below.
I'll also add that I have nothing but respect for what Valencia is doing right now. He looks focused and confident at the plate, and there is no denying how good his results have been thus far. Let's also remember how important his bat is to the team right now, considering Morneau is out of the lineup.
All that being said, no player in baseball can have 94% of their line drives turn into hits. No player can get hits on 43% of their grounders (no, not even Luis Castillo). It just doesn't happen. While Valencia is absolutely raking right now, eventually he's going to have some well-hit balls find fielders' gloves.
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Someone mentioned this somewhere else recently,
but it would be interesting to have FB/LD/GB% all divided up by “well hit” and “not-so-well hit.” Cuz it seems like everything Valencia’s hitting is coming off the sweet spot this last week. Now that’s probably as unsustainable as anything, but he seems like he’s making better-than-average contact, which might translate to higher expected BABIP numbers across the FB/LD/GB spectrum.
Thanks for bringing this up
I was trying to walk a very fine line by pointing out that what he’s do is unsustainable, without implying that his success has just been due to “luck.” Danny is hitting like a mad man right now, and it’s not as if we’re seeing a bunch of bleeders landing inches from fielders’ gloves or weak tappers dribbling past diving infielders. He is just ripping the ball. But, that being said, there is no way he can keep up the BABIPs he’s currently sporting. I consider Frank Thomas and Tony Gwynn to be two of the best line drive hitters I ever saw. Using the data available from Baseball Reference (going back to 1988, I think), their BABIP on line drives:
Gwynn: .731
Thomas: .746
Yeah, I'm sure that's right
I’m guessing it’s a combination of (1) to some extent, he’s can’t sustain his current level of ripping the ball and (2) even given how much he’s ripping the ball, he’s been fortunate about avoiding the defenders.
And he won’t keep this up (really, no one could keep THIS up), but it’s nice little streaks like this that make for nice seasons, and who knows, maybe nice little careers. My expectations of him are still modest, but I have to give him credit for blowing them away so far.
I suspect that adjusted line is probably pretty close to his actual talent level
but kudos to him for he performance thus far.
Off-topic: thought some people would be interested in this link which is from the sports business journal and is about local TV ratings. Twins are actually 2nd in MLB in RSN ratings, and 5th (behind only the NY teams, Philly, and Boston) in average number of households.
Yay profits.
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by Eric in Madison on Jul 28, 2010 9:27 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks
I missed that somehow.
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by Eric in Madison on Jul 28, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
His walk rate has doubled
at every level from his first year to the second.
If this unsustainable hot streak buys him enough PT to get comfortable with major league pitching and raise his walk rate to over 10%, that “expected” line looks a lot better.
Absolutelty
If Danny posted a 10% walk rate with a .280-.290 BA, life would be good.
I now see I didn’t include a total on his minor league numbers – his career minor league walk rate was 7.8%, but only 4.5% in his two stints at AAA.
adjusted line works out to a wOBA of roughly 331
If Valencia can have a wOBA of 331 and play league average defense, then I’d be very content to see him at the hot corner for the forseeable future. A league average player at the league minimum is a very valuable player.
Fer sure
We’ve got plenty to spend on without bringing in an expensive free-agent 3b this offseason.
Using more conventional numbers
If Valencia played fifty of the remaining 62 games averaging 4 PAs with a 10% walk rate, he would only have to hit .250 the rest of the year to finish with a .300 BA.
I think he will do that. I also believe that Valencia’s MiL record shows him to be streaky and slump prone. We just haven’t seen anything resembling a slump up until now.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Jul 28, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
I've been following Valencia since he played for Miami
And one thing he was always known for is good plate discipline. So it is a mystery why he suddenly stopped taking walks in AA and AAA. I know he started out on fire in AA. Sometimes when you do that, you begin to think you can hit everything hard (e.g. Ramos). But why he hasn’t returned to his former patient self in the higher levels is indeed a mystery.
The only thing I can think of is coaching. A lot of coaches in the Twins system coach aggressiveness (e.g. Ullger).
When he came to the Twins, you could see that he was too aggressive. He would swing at a pitcher’s pitch and foul it off or get an infield hit on it. He pulled everything. But he wasn’t able to drive the ball because he wasn’t waiting for a good pitch to hit. Vavra must be working with him on this, because he’s so relaxed up there, taking a lot of pitches and waiting for one he can drive. The grand slam at bat is the perfect example of this.
Obviously, he’s not a .400 hitter. But I don’t see why he can’t be a .300/.370/.430 hitter in the majors as long as he keeps having good, patient at bats. He’s done it everywhere else he’s played, with the exception of AAA.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
.300/.370/.430 would be really awesome
Seems like more than most expect for him, but it would sure be nice.
.300/.370/.430 seems a little optimistic but, I agree. Complete speculation is there also a chance that you press when you first get to AAA?
I can remember (at least I think I can) remember a bunch of guys who looked like crap their first 400 PA’s or so in AAA. Span is the last of recent memory.
Also like lots of hitters part of the regression will be MLB scouting of him, people eventually start playing more to your spray chart after 500-800 PA’s too.
+1
Players always think they should be in the majors sooner than they are. I think part of Valencia’s struggles relate to that, especially as he saw lots of guys like Hughes getting promoted ahead of him. I wouldn’t be surprised if it only made him press more, rather than relaxing and letting his natural talent take over.
The Twins do hold guys back more than any other organization. This makes for hungry players. It also tends to make for more humble players. When you look at how guys like Alex Gordon have been rushed, and the kind of attitudes they have in the majors, it starts to make more sense. Valencia’s attitude is more sustainable.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I just crunched the numbers
My Canadian Math suggests multiple seasons with a batting average over .400. His BABIP IS sustainable because it is not luck, it is jedi mind tricks.
That is not the ball you are looking for.
by Corey Koskie on Jul 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Danny has a history of being incredibly hot...
…for example last year when he was promoted to AAA I recall he hit about .370 for almost a month…then went into a lengthy slump. Will that happen again in the big leagues? Don’t know, but he certainly isn’t going to continue getting 3-4 hits every night. But the Twins need to ride his hot streak as long as it goes.
Confidence
I think the biggest factor with Valencia doing so well is the fact that he has been getting hits from day one (even if they were singles). Gardy started him against lefties for the majority of his first MLB ABs, and after he got comfortable, he got confident.
I think he can develop a decent walk rate and hit ~.280 with some power (mostly in doubles) and he could develop into a Lyle Overbay type player (that would be enough for me to be happy). After all, with Mauer, Morneau, Kubel, Cuddyer and the breakout of Young, we only need #8 hitter type numbers from Valencia. 3-8 comprised of Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer, Kubel, Young, Valencia is very solid. Now, if they could all be healthy together…
Good points everyone.
But I think the real question is: are we comfortable enough with him at third to buyout Punto’s contract?
$5 MM – 0.5 MM – Around League Minimum = about $4 million to pursue other interests
Or, for those with a need for grit, do we turn around and use that money to offer Punto 2 years at 4 million as a free agent?
are we comfortable enough with him at third to buyout Punto’s contract?
Yes. Punto can’t be the answer at third, in any event. If we are not comfortable with Valencia, we’d better get someone else (Figgins?).
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Exactly, give the guy a shot, even if he struggles.
He’s 26 now, right? By now, he’s either your third baseman or he’s not…and that’s something I think they might have been able to find out earlier. He may be playing over his head, but he still should be much better than Punto and he’s younger. Enough of this “future” crap. Make it so.
I wouldn’t mind Punto back, but a lot cheaper. I like him a lot better than I like Tolbert. I don’t know if the numbers agree with that and I’m way too lazy to look at the moment.
Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD
almost 26..
Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD
Fangraphs take on Valencia
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/viva-valencia/
I basically agree. I don’t think he has superstar potential but if the minors can keep churning out 2-3 WAR position players we’re in great shape as an organization.
While this article and all the speculation is very interesting, there are other considerations that have not been expressed.
We do not know if he played with injuries, we do not know his mental frame of mind when he had that slump, which occurred when he was on the trade block (last year at this time).
I think Danny is older and wiser and that has translated to better smarts at the plate. The coaching at this level is a lot better.

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