Twins Trade Rumors, or: Your Morning Cliff Lee Update
by Jesse on Jul 8, 2010 7:39 AM EDT
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Well, nothing new happened overnight (in spite of trade talks "intensifying" all day), so you can relax a little bit. But that doesn't mean I can't get you up to speed, bullet-point style!
- Add the Rangers to the list of teams that are "pushing hard" for Cliff Lee. Let's see, that's the Twins, Tigers, Rays, Rangers and Mets, with the Phillies on the outskirts, the Yankees naturally over-confident "they could get him if they wanted to" and, I'm just spit-balling here, the aggressive Kenny Williams now that Jake Peavy is out for the season.
- Oh yeah, the Reds are sleepers, too.
- It still sounds like the Mariners are looking for a catcher who is close if not ready for the Majors, which is good news for the Twins even if Wilson Ramos is scuffling.
- The general feeling is that Seattle is still asking too much for their southpaw ace. On the Twins-front we've heard rumors of a Ramos/Aaron Hicks offer, and a "crazy ask" at an offer even better (for Mariners fans) than that. Reportedly Seattle has been gathering information on Ramos and Kevin Slowey. Who knows.
- Officially, as of last night: the Twins and Mariners have NOT exchanged names that Minnesota would send to Seattle. But the Twins' system is being scouted by them.
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I'm curious to the "crazy ask" offer.
I just want to know what it was so I can laugh. Ramos + Hicks + Liriano? Ramos + Hicks + Sano? Ramos + Hicks + Morneau?
I’m trying to mostly ignore trade rumors stuff. It feels like Favre all over again.
Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD
Oh for sure, Favre is worse...way worse.
All these crazy rumors are just getting annoying. It’s like…get it over with already. Every day seems to be a new random name added or replacing another name. I know that’s how rumors work.
I guess, I’m just not used to the Twins involved in this kind of situation and am not up to speed with all the craziness yet. I’m more used to the Santana side or the “will we keep him” side (we all are).
Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD
Favre is basically a done deal, just like last year though
No one else was competing for his services, he was just waiting till the end of training camp before bothering to show up. Favre for the 2010 campaign is virtually a lock (unless he falls off his tractor and breaks his leg or something).
Lee is far from certain, and is providing a great deal of intrigue for baseball in general. Everyone knows Seattle is going to trade him, it is just a matter of which side blinks first. The Mariners are clearly in a position of power here, they have a guaranteed ace who will only cost the new team around $4 million in cash, and will garner that team two draft picks next year after he signs with the Yankees. Because of how tight money is, that makes him gold. Yes, the prospect part of the package will be high, but look what he did for the Phillies last year.
Yeah, there's a difference in that...but I was talking more about the media stuff
Favre was everywhere and people were tracking it closely, even if people thought it was a done deal quicker than it was actually confirmed. Lee is the same right now and all these names being thrown out of nowhere.
It’s getting to the annoying level, except Lee just goes about his business while Favre seems to like the attention and does it on purpose.
Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD
On the plus side...
Lee < Favre < LeBron
The people of Cleveland have been through far worse than we have.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
TOTALLY disagree.
For the WI/MN football fans, Favre has been pulling this crap since 2002. EIGHT years of this will he wont he. LeBron’s saga pales in comparrison. Remember the sobbing, crying, snot-dripping-from-the-nose press conference? That was what, 4 years ago?
Yes, as you can see, I pretty much despise Bret Favre..
I always loved that one.
Brett Favre
It’s Brett Favre. There are two Ts in Brett. Brett Favre.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 8, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
F#%ʞ Cliff Lee and the M's
If we can get him without paying too much, fine. Otherwise I’m not in favor of sacrificing the future for this season. Ramos + Slowey OR Blackie OR less, OK.
Let’s just win the AL Central and hope for some Twins Magic™ in the playoffs and WS with what we’ve got.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Now I am become Mod, the destroyer of bad words." -fischean
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 8, 2010 9:35 AM EDT reply actions
We cant lose ....basically
If we trade Hicks and Ramos and Lee signs elsewhere for 2011 then we get a first round and a sandwich pick (between 1st and 2nd round), We regain two prospects and make a possible World Series run. Starting rotation Lee, Liriano, Pavano and Baker is your worst playoff pitcher. I’ll take those odds.
and frankly,
given the length of time in between games now, the fact that Lee is a competitor and would want to pitch, and the fact that the Twins have nothing to lose if Lee were to literally pitch his arm off during the course of the World Series run … I think you could expect that Baker will not need to be relied upon too heavily.
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by montanatwinsfan on Jul 8, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If Lee 'pitches his arm off' and injures himself...
The Twins might be reluctant to offer him arbitration on the grounds that he might accept and the Twins get stuck with a HUGE salary they didn’t want.
And if they don’t offer arbitration, they don’t get the picks.
Not exactly ‘nothing to lose’, but I still understand your point.
haha, good point.
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by montanatwinsfan on Jul 8, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not guaranteed a 1st round draft pick
There are different scenarios with type A FA’s and who they sign with. Brewers didn’t get a first rounder from CC and the Yanks.
Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD
First round is more likely, though
The teams who can afford free agents tend to be in the top half of the league.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Plus...
I don’t know that there is a deep enough free agent class that it’s very likely that a team will sign lots of Type As, and even if they do, it’s been claimed here that the higher-ranked player triggers the first-round pick, and there aren’t likely a ton of players who will outrank Lee.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
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