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Jim Thome's Remarkable Season

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I sat down Tuesday night to write a little bit about the amazing season Jim Thome has put together for the Minnesota Twins, while enjoying the series opener against the White Sox.  At this point the move seems pretty prescient, considering Thome homered, doubled, and walked in the Twins' 12 to 6 victory.

Before I dive into some numbers, I just wanted to step back for a moment and consider how remarkable it is for Thome to be performing as well as he has so far in 2010.  Thome is 39, making him the oldest hitter on the club since Ruben Sierra nabbed 33 plate appearances in 2006 and Pat Borders started 14 games behind the plate in 2004*.  Acknowledging his dozen or so at-bats with the Dodgers last season, he's playing a part-time role for the first time in his Hall of Fame career, only getting regular playing time in the past month.  He's starting for a new team, in a new park, in a new role, at an age when most ballplayers are either retired or playing like they should be.  And yet, the man continues to rake.

Star-divide

Now, since Thome was playing fairly infrequently in the season's first couple months, he doesn't qualify for the batting title, so he doesn't show up on most MLB leaderboards.  However, he does have more than 230 plate appearances on the season.  So we can at least see how Thome stacks up against all other major leaguers who have stepped up to the plate at least 200 times this season:

  • Thome's .392 OBP ranks 14th in the majors, between Aubrey Huff and Shin-Soo Choo, and 3 spots behind a certain catcher we all know and love. This is the highest OBP Thome has posted since 2006, and pretty close to his career average of .404.
  • His .579 SLG ranks 7th - seventh! - among all hitters, bested only by Miguel Cabrera, Justin Morneau, Josh Hamilton, Joey Votto, Jose Bautista and Luke Scott. That's some pretty good company. This is the highest SLG Thome has posted since 2006, and is even higher than his (Hall of Fame) career average.

But slugging percentage doesn't really do Thome's power numbers justice, does it?  A large portion of a player's slugging percentage is just their batting average, which is driven by their total hits (i.e. singles).  Thome has never really hit for average, and now, considering his age and lack of speed, he's not really a threat to bat anything much higher than his current .267.  That's why we have Isolated Power (ISO) - it takes a player's slugging percentage, subtracts their batting average, and leaves you with a number that solely measures a player's extra-base power. 

After his homer and double Tuesday night, Thome's ISO now sits at .313.  That is an incredible number.  It's the second highest ISO in the majors, behind only Jose Bautista (who has hit nearly as many homers as singles this season).  In fact, it's the highest ISO Twins fans have seen in a long, long time.

Using the Lahman database, I looked up the last time a Twins player posted an ISO above .300.  It wasn't Morneau.  It wasn't Torii.  Not Chili, not Hrbek, not Gaetti.  No, not Coomer, either.  See where this is headed?

The last Twins player to have at least 200 plate appearances in a season and post an isolated slugging percentage above .300 was Harmon Killebrew in 1969.  In fact, it's only happened four times in Twins history - three coming from Killer.

In other words, using ISO as our guide, Jim Thome is currently packing more power into each of his at bats than any Twins hitter since Harmon Killebrew.  At 39 years of age.  Playing part-time.  Getting irregular at-bats.  While earning a fraction of Nick Punto's salary.

That is remarkable.

Of course, in all fairness to Killebrew (and Morneau, and Hrbek, and all the rest) I should also recognize that Thome's part-time role has allowed Gardenhire to protect Thome from tough lefties, which is important to his overall rate stats considering his sizable lefty/righty splits (1.025 OPS vs. RHPs, .738 OPS vs. LHPs).  That being said, Thome is still posting a solid .204 ISO against lefties (although nothing like his .336 mark against righties).  It should also serve as a reminder of how well Gardenhire has handled Thome so far this season: it's August and Thome is healthy and hitting like its 1999.  That, too, is remarkable.

When Morneau comes back, Gardy will again have a tough time squeezing his numerous corner outfielders/first basemen/professional hitters into the line-up.  Thome's tremendous season will make it all the more difficult to distribute playing time, since his age and injury concerns make him the most likely candidate to sit.  The good news is, no matter how old he gets, how you use him, or when you play him, if you put a bat in Jim Thome's hands, he'll mash baseballs.

His OPS as a starter this season is .945.  As a pinch hitter, it's .976.

 *Side note: that sentence about Thome's age wasn't nearly as interesting as I thought it'd be.  In the back of my head I was thinking Thome might have been the oldest Twins' hitter since Paul Molitor.  But now that I looked it up and realized how wrong I was, I couldn't resist leaving in a reference to Sierra and Borders, if only for the memories.

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Thanks for the Writeup!
Seeing those numbers only makes it clearer, what an awesome job the FO did in getting Thome to join us! I really hope he can stay healthy and help us down the stretch the same way he has so far.
Also makes me want to have him back next season.

Then again, if I am Jim Thome, I would retire after this season and move to the Hall of Fame.

Thanks for mashing Taters for us Jim!

by twinscrazy_german on Aug 11, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Buster Olney on Thome w/ the Twins

First two minutes of the video are dedicated to Thome and the Twins:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5454569

by PRegiment on Aug 11, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

“He has made it clear he wants to play in 2011.”

In that case, I can’t see him wanting to go elsewhere if the Twins offer enough money and playing time.

by Hillstop on Aug 11, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to have Jimmers back again next year!

Let Thome Watch 2011 begin!

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 11, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thome Watch>Favre Watch

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by fischean on Aug 11, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Needs a lot more of >>>>>>

I hate Favre.

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by Twins33 on Aug 11, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he's like a kid out there!

(A kid who doesn’t want to do his chores and loves attention)

Also, do you think Brett Farve threatens divorce every time he doesn’t want to do something his wife wants?

by matty_b on Aug 11, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff.

Sure, he’ll fade. Or fall off a cliff. We all have/will, right? But I hope we’ll keep paying him a little cash—and a couple of WS rings—until he does.

Thanks for the article.

by KLP on Aug 11, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Really amazing to see someone doing this well in such a peculiar role.

And you have to give Gardy credit—he seems to be using him just perfectly. I think his presence makes things a little strange for Kubel and Cuddyer, who can’t be entirely sure about their roles, but in general, Thome’s a huge plus. Here’s hoping he sticks around to hit 600 with the Twins.

by Luke in MN on Aug 11, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes

People will be calling to use him more, but I think he has been effective in part because he has been used just right. And I think he would probably agree.

by wcooley on Aug 11, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

thome's 1 hr/13 ab's

gotta keep t his guy in the lineup when morneau gets healthy. i know gardy likes to go R-L-R-L, but against a RHP, with a healthy morneau, i think you have to pour on the gas and stack the lineup with lefties in order to knock out RHP starters early.

span (L)
mauer (L)
morneau (L)
young®
thome (L)
kubel (L)
hardy®
hudson (S)
valencia®

then, if you have cuddyer and repko on the bench as an insurance against any LHP spot-reliever to fill in for either thome or kubel.

by yefrem on Aug 11, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Bat Hudson 2nd

He has a pretty good OBP. Also, Punto 9th instead of Valencia makes some sense if you’re going lefty crazy.

by DJL44 on Aug 11, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually like Mauer in the 2 hole there

actually I wouldn’t mind flopping Hudson and Span in that lineup

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by fetch9 on Aug 11, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree
Punto 9th instead of Valencia makes some sense if you’re going lefty crazy.

Valencia OPS+ 118
Punto OPS+ 76

Vs. RH starter

Valencia OPS .826
Punto OPS .630

Valencia is simply the better player against both kinds of pitchers. He’s actually hit better against right handed starters than left handed starters this year. And he’s only going to get better. For Punto, the left side is his weak side.

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by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

i love punto

but there’s no reason to play him over valencia right now, danny’s done everything to earn his spot.

by yefrem on Aug 11, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Small Sample Size

And creative editing. Valencia’s OPS against righthanded pitching is a very pedestrian .646. I don’t doubt your number, but it doesn’t tell the whole story.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 11, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not taking sides, just throwing it into the discussion

Since July 28 (cherry picking the end of Danny’s incredible hot streak), he’s hitting 196/255/239.

by Bobomojo on Aug 11, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sold

I saw the game in Cleveland on Saturday, and from the side view one can see that Valencia really needs to quiet his swing. He is off-balance way too often.

by wcooley on Aug 11, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's got stuff to work on

But he’s doing well despite that. Stuff to work on just translates to higher upside. Punto has no upside.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is why he needs to play,

So he can work on it. I was calling for Valencia to be the starting 3bman out of Spring training. Would he be better now if he had 100 more at-bats? I also, wanted J. Jones to make the team as the 4th outfielder. Only for the reason of having a Vet on the Bench(fan favorite rah,rah guy). Really what good is to have Morales on the bench.

by b1 on Aug 11, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Prospects

From what I know of you, CMath, I generally trust your judgement on prospects. But Valencia should have been working on this in the minors, which troubles me. I don’t know if the Twins can afford to have guys “work” on things in a pennant race.

by wcooley on Aug 11, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

and who do you suggest takes over at 3B?

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by BCTwins on Aug 11, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Harmon

and if he’s not available the G-man.

by wcooley on Aug 11, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has been working on it

He’s a lot farther along than Delmon was last year, for example. Almost all guys have stuff to work on. Even Mauer had to work on stuff this year. It’s part of the game. Just when you think you have it figured out, the scouting catches up with you and you have to adjust again. He’s adjusting to a little different style of pitching than he had in AAA. So far so good. Besides, he’s a rookie. Cut him some slack and don’t argue with the results.

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by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That statistic - I do not think it means what you think it means

From Baseball-Reference:

vs Starter batting splits are for the entire game when the starter was LH or RH. These splits include any subsequent PA’s against a reliever regardless of their throwing hand.

Valencia’s OPS against all righthanded pitchers is 646, and Punto’s is 610. Punto’s advantage on defense probably more than evens things out.

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by BeefMaster on Aug 11, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a sample size issue

The lion’s share of his at bats against RHP have been against RH starters. When Gardy had Punto starting and Valencia on the bench, he would PH Valencia against the other teams’ closer. Those at bats are not representative of what Valencia is capable of, but they skew his overall results in the short time he has been with the team.

Even with those tough at bats, his numbers against RHP are better than Punto’s. And the defensive split is not as great as you claim.

Punto 3b UZR 18.6
Valencia 3B UZR/150 13.7

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by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy it
The lion’s share of his at bats against RHP have been against RH starters. When Gardy had Punto starting and Valencia on the bench, he would PH Valencia against the other teams’ closer.

Valencia has three pinch hitting appearances this season (he’s 1-3). I will grant that he may have struggled against closers – his 9th and extra inning results are atrocious, just 1-16 with no walks or extra base hits – but he hasn’t had a disproportionate percentage of his plate appearances there, fewer than any inning except the first and third (in which his spot in the order is not likely to come up).

Valencia has done slightly better than Punto against righties this season, and I’m not advocating a full platoon, just pointing out that they’re fairly equal players against righthanded pitching, so there’s plenty of justification for making sure that Valencia’s days off come against righties.

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by BeefMaster on Aug 11, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just so odd that nobody predicts regression from Punto

He’s Mr. Regression to a mean of 70 OPS+. What is Valencia’s mean? Anyone’s guess, but it sure ’aint 70.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valencia

He has a history of hot streaks and slumps in the minors. If this is “slump time” for him, it isn’t too bad. I think that for the balance of this year, it would be good to give him an occasional day off vs. a RH pitcher. For next year, it would be nice to have a LH bat to fill in on occasion for Danny when the team faces three, four or five RH starters in a row. I think the guy has earned something with his solid play in 125 plate appearances.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 11, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Yeah, his slumps are like this. Good at bats that lead to walks, line-outs and sac flies. When he’s hot, all those line outs fall in. Last night, in the midst of a slump, he had a sac fly, line out and a base hit up the middle, to go along with three outs.

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by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He’s really proven himself, and is more productive than Punto. I say keep him in.

by MarshalltheIrish on Aug 11, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

90

I would have said 85 before the hot streak. I think he’s a true talent 90 OPS+ with a good glove – in other words an adequate MLB starter at 3B.

by DJL44 on Aug 11, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say 100-110

But I have a higher opinion of him than most on this board. His patience will lead to an above average third base bat. Add in a good glove and he’ll be a solid contributor until Sano is ready.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he could be a 110 in his absolute peak season

probably with 5 to +7 defense. If he could put up a 95 OPS regularly, I would be more than happy.

by Hillstop on Aug 11, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get it

He hasn’t reached his upside with an OPS+ of 118, but you expect him to regress to a mean of 90.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll explain it

Hot streak != true talent. I’m predicting a sophomore slump more than anything specific about this season.

by DJL44 on Aug 11, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

So you’re saying his career mean is something like 100. But that will only happen after he improves. For now, his mean is more like 90. But he’s had a hot streak, which skews the whole formula of his expected growth rate. So he’s in for huge regression.

I don’t entirely buy it. The problem I have with this is it has little basis in numerical analysis, unless you ignore everything he did prior to last year. I think last year is more of an outlier for his career. But forecasters such as PECOTA seem to focus solely on that year and come up with ridiculous projects like a 60 OPS +.

 If you believe PECOTA, he’s on an incredible hot streak almost twice as good as his projection. I don’t believe PECOTA in this case. I think their projection is ridiculously low, and based almost completely on the worst year of his professional career.

If you look at this year, he actually has only had one week-long hot streak. Otherwise, he’s had about a hit a game, most of which are singles. I suggest throwing out the hot week and just looking at the two weeks on either side, in which he’s something like .290/.350/.380. That’s good for a 95 OPS plus or something. I suggest that that’s his mean right now, and his mean will move north of 100 as he cleans up some mechanical issues with his swing.

I don’t think he’ll regress much from 95 next year because he has good habits. He’s patient. He doesn’t try to do too much. What you see right now is what you get, at least until he quiets down his head and body and starts driving the ball harder.

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by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Add in the cold streak

I agree – right now is about what you’d expect. There’s a slump coming too that will even out the hot streak. Long term, I think he’s Joe Randa. That’s not bad, guys like that help you win ballgames.

by DJL44 on Aug 11, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say Casey Blake with a better glove, but I'd settle for Randa

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or Jeff Cirillo

He’s going to be a 3 WAR player with an outside shot at a random All-Star year.

by DJL44 on Aug 12, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cuddy will be in there

You can suggest this lineup all the way to the last day of the season, but if the games matter, Cuddyer will play almost everyday. I doubt he gets more than a day or two off even with all the LH guns available. Thome cannot run and cannot play in the field, this limits his overall value. His lack of durability also is an issue and while his numbers are great and he has been of huge benefit to the club in Morneau’s absence, he will sit the majority of games vs. RH starters unless there is another injury. Of course, it is not all bad to have a feared LH bat on the bench for a late-inning crucial at-bat.

Also, it is nice to be able to rest the everyday guys and still have a guy like Thome available to step in and not lose a beat.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 11, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Of course, it is not all bad to have a feared LH bat on the bench for a late-inning crucial at-bat."

i hope gardenhire is not clinging to this strategy anymore. there’s certainly no reason to. the twins are 31-20 when thome DH’s, 5-21 when he PH’s. he’s good for a .55 WPA as a DH, and -.314 WPA as a PH. and his OPS against RHP is over 1.000, nearly .300 points higher than cuddyer’s.

there shouldn’t be any conflict between cuddyer and thome when morneau gets back and the twins face a RHP – thome needs to be in the lineup every time, cuddyer doesn’t.

the other thing is, if you overload with all your lefthanded guns early against RHP, then you not only put your best foot forward, but the only thing the opponent can do to take thome or kubel out of the game is use up a reliever. in that event, the twins have 2 starter-quality players ready to fill in for several innings if needed, not just a PH who can’t run or field.

by yefrem on Aug 11, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better and more succinctly said than my post below

Especially important to underscore the difference between giving Thome 3-4 guaranteed at-bats against a right-handed starter vs maybe giving him one at-bat against a right-handed reliever late in the game (and requiring a second substitution following his insertion into the lineup).

by WolvesFan03 on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

"5-21 when he PH’s"

In other news… The Yankees have a winning record in games that Mariano Rivera pitches…

by JustDoIt11 on Aug 11, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

the “fear” of having thome on the bench is not going to factor when a pinch hit will probably only come when the twins are down 1-2 in the ninth and facing the closer anyway. by contrast, starting thome in the middle of a pack of ruthless LH bats puts the pressure on the opponent immediately to make a pitching change.

by yefrem on Aug 11, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

They won’t bench Cuddy.
Hate to be a stick in the mud on Jimmers but I can’t think of a critical at bat where he has come through to WIN the game. Some “helps” and a double (homerun) that tied it but we eventually lost. Nit picking maybe, but I want a walk off something from him. If it still existed would he have a GWRBI?
I’ll hang up and listen…

by z-squad on Aug 11, 2010 2:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't understand this

What does it matter if he helps us win in the 1st or the 9th inning?

Just last Sunday Thome went 2-3 with a homerun and a 2 RBIs in the Twins 5-4 win over Cleveland. His contribution was outcome determinative. What does it matter when it happened?

by WolvesFan03 on Aug 11, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

First of all, nitpicking to be sure.

I know he has been an integral part in Twins wins, and I don’t question his value. What I long for is the “dagger”. Something like the game 163 homerun that demoralizes the opponent. Maybe it’s because I’m on the other side of it now and that he was a Twin killer that I need a signature hit that causes the the opposition to drop their collective heads and curse “Thome!”

by z-squad on Aug 11, 2010 11:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The most amazing thing to me...

He’s learned how to take the pitch on the outside corner over the wall in left -center field. He probably has hit more of those this season than he had in any prior season when he was routinely hitting 40+ to right field. To make that kind of adjustment at age 39 is pretty impressive.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 11, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

How about analyzing the shift

Is the Thome shift useful for defenders? With an ISO like that I can’t imagine it is, but perhaps the shift is taking away all his singles, depressing his batting average but boosting his ISO.

by DJL44 on Aug 11, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

TB/Hit

His power would look more impressive than it would if you added a bunch of singles. It’s hard to take away homers with a shift.

by DJL44 on Aug 11, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree.

His slugging percentage would go up if you added more singles (you wouldn’t take away any of his hits he already gets), and his BA would go up at the same rate. This would not affect his ISO at all. twinscrazy_german is correct.

by Twins4Life on Aug 11, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for doing the math

My case would only be true if the shift was turning singles into doubles (like last night).

by DJL44 on Aug 11, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've wanted this guy on this team for so long

I wish it didn’t take this long, but I will take it. I just can’t believe the White Sox didn’t want him. Now they’re looking for a LH bat and that just makes it even more of a mistake.

Thome isn’t really showing his age. He’s had aches here and there, but health really hasn’t been that much of a problem. It sounded like he wanted to keep playing next year. I hope he gives us the same opportunity as he did to the White Sox. We get first dibs…and let’s not screw up like they did.

I’m wearing my Thome shirt today because of the great game yesterday. He needs to get 600 with us and hopefully a ring or two.

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by Twins33 on Aug 11, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

nice write up..

Which begs the question, will he be back in 2011? I think some people have assumed he won’t. Well why heck not?
Regards,
Brian

by MagikLair on Aug 11, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Because I'm anal about this sort of thing, and probably someone else is too:

The fourth was Don Mincher, who posted a .310 ISO in 320 PAs in 1964.

Harmon: .318, 1961; .302, 1962; .308, 1969.

by timprov on Aug 11, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

I actually had the whole list in when I wrote the thing, but then I re-read it and thought I was getting too far into the weeds and took it out. It’s good to know other people find it interesting too.

by Bobomojo on Aug 11, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whattayamean "We" ...

Uh, nevermind. :)

It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

by SteadyDietOfCheese on Aug 11, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Note to self:

Don’t hide your nerdiness when visiting TwinkieTown.

I have to admit, until I did this article, the only thing I new about Don Mincher was that he was a Seattle Pilot (thanks, Jim Bouton) and a member of the 65 world series team. His 1964 was truly bizarre. He started 65 games at first, and batted .237 with a .300 OBP. Oh, and of the 68 hits he managed that year, 29 were singles and 39 were for extra bases (12 doubles, 4 triples, and 23 homers). Big time power display in a very limited role. Reminds me of Frank Thomas’ last year in Chicago: 23 total hits, 12 home runs.

by Bobomojo on Aug 11, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I narrowed it to two immediately

As I read the paragraph, the only two names that came to mind as possibilities, based on nothing but the faded memories of my youth, were Mincher and Bob Allison. So glad someone looked it up so I didn’t have to!

by Jim Crikket on Aug 11, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Twins have 3 errors at third base this year...

The second best figure is 10, shared by three teams, and the league average is 14.

Speaking of geeky stats.

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by rubberbiscuit on Aug 11, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

This topic got threadjacked quickly!

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 11, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome write-up Bobo

I was excited when Thome came to the team, and the numbers he’s produced so far are exactly what I expected of him. But your write-up shows an even more impressive depth to those stats than I suspected. For such a long-time veteran, it’s amazing.

Plus, your mentions of Ruben Sierra and Pat Borders remind me of how Thome for once represents a case of the Twins signing an aging veteran that really benefits the team and isn’t a waste of money…

And while some others have already said it, I’ll say it too: I hope he gets a ring with us, which is part of why I’m so hopeful about our chances this year.

by MarshalltheIrish on Aug 11, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Jim Thome.

And hearing his interviews are the best. Because he really talks just like his Dugout persona.

by matty_b on Aug 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I love what Thome has done this year--a great off-season addition

So credit to Bill Smith on that one.

I’m a little less blithe than the original poster though about Thome’s playing time being squeezed out when Morneau comes back. At this point, Thome decimates his competition for playing time when it comes to right-handed pitchers:

Thome vs RHP: .277/.425/.631/1.056
Kubel vs RHP: .295/.371/.510/.881
Cuddyer vs RHP: .268/.297/.415/.712

Those numbers are not even close, particularly between Thome and Cuddyer. Thome not only hits for a higher average against RHPs than Cuddyer, he gets on-base roughly 12.5% more often than Cuddyer and hits for way way more power.

The obvious solution down the stretch is to ALWAYS have Thome in the lineup against right-handed pitchers, at the expense of mostly Cuddyer (and occasionally Kubel). You can sit Thome against left-handed pitchers, giving him the rest his aging body probably rightly needs while still optimizing your lineup.

The worrisome thing is that Thome’s bat would be terribly squandered if he returned to being almost exclusively a pinch-hitter, especially relative to the guys who’d be hitting his place (Kubel and Cuddyer). Twins need Thome’s bat against right-handed pitchers, both down the stretch and, even more importantly, in the playoffs.

by WolvesFan03 on Aug 11, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

More splits

Mauer and Morneau are insanely good v. RHP also. Delmon is having a strong year as well.

by DJL44 on Aug 11, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last night I was going to post

that Big Jim has 15 quiet Hr’s.(meaning he hasn’t got much press) I guess others have noticed too.

by b1 on Aug 11, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Oldest Battery

Speaking of old players… does anyone else remember when Pat Borders paired with Terry Mulholland to form the “oldest battery in baseball.” It happened back in 2004 for the Twins.

by NickL1538 on Aug 11, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you for bringing that up

Why don’t you give me a paper cut and pour lemon juice in it.

My memory of Pat Borders: He ended up behind the plate in Game 4 against the Yankees (when Ruben Sierra won the steroids battle with Juan Rincon). He failed to block a ball in the dirt, allowing the winning run to score.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Aug 12, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

I didn’t remember that go-ahead run in particular. I just remember keeping up with the game on the radio with on and off reception in Apple Hill…that makes for two times the Yankees have soiled an October trip to Apple HIll (including game 2 last year).

by MarshalltheIrish on Aug 12, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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