Twins vs White Sox: The End Game Including Postseason
It sucks knowing the Twins lost tonight, but that is how the game is played, day by day as Jim Thome said yesterday on Quest Twins Live.
As a result, a certain Chicago pitcher named Mark Burehle pitched a great game tonight while Carl Pavano wasn't that sharp vs Chicago batting. And we can also blame the bullpen for allowing the game to get away from us.
In any case, I figured out the possible end game outcome of each of the seasons for Chicago and Minnesota. Results after the jump.
I took the chance to figure out the possible results for the Twins and White Sox and the results are not that good if we expect a pennant race down to the wire. Starting with this weekend, the results are based on the strength of schedule and current trends when it comes to the teams and games.
Chicago: Given that they have a tough schedule the rest of the way, three games are at home vs the Twins, but the truth is that 13 of their last 41 are vs the AL East and this includes Baltimore which looks like a much different team than the one that the Twins faced last month. In contrast, only four of the Twins last 41 games are vs an AL East opponent and that opponent is Toronto which will come to Target Field as the very last series of the season for the Twins before the postseason begins. Also of note, the White Sox have only six games left vs the AL West while the Twins have 16 games left. In that regard, the schedule will likely break down like this for Chicago:
The White Sox finish August with just four Wins. They will come this weekend with two vs Kansas City, one vs the Yankees on August 29, and one at Cleveland on August 31. Along with the September 1st win, I can see a 3-6 homestand in Chicago's future. The dates between the September 2nd and 13th off dates are also crucial for the Sox as they face a Red Sox team (on the road) fighting for the wild card as well as Detroit and Kansas City teams that would love nothing more than to spoil Chicago's season. The White Sox need win to keep pace and it is going to be hard, but doable if the Twins stumble. The White Sox will likely finish this stretch of the season with a 77-66 record.
Minnesota: The bad news is that the Twins next 10 games are vs the AL West. The good news is that the Twins went 3-1 to open the season at the Angels, crushed the Rangers Memorial Day Weekend, and destroyed Seattle on the back end of a tour of last place division teams. Given that we have the Angels at home, we should at least win two out of three, split at Texas, and sweep Seattle on the road. Following the August 29th game, I wouldn't surprise me that we are perfect in our next homestand. That would be 9-0 vs Detroit, Texas, and Kansas City. If the Twins were to sweep that homestand, Chicago can't afford any losses during that time period or their season is just about over. However, they face a stretch vs surging Baltimore, the Yankees, and Boston. Finally on the 10-13 of September, the Twins go to Cleveland for a three game set. The Twins will likely finish this stretch of the season with a 88-55 record.
As a result the Twins will likely be as much as 11 games up on the White Sox with 19 to go for both teams. This gives the Twins a magic number of 8.
Twins at White Sox (Final series of the season between the teams)
Game 1: Twins (89-55) win in convincing fashion and are up 12 on Chicago (77-67) with 18 to go. Magic Number is down to six.
Game 2: The White Sox (78-67) stage a major comeback in the ninth over Minnesota (89-56) with Andrew Jones the game hero. There are 17 games to go with Chicago 11 behind and the Magic number is still six.
Game 3: The Twins (90-56) win from behind in extras over Chicago (78-68) to increase the division lead to 12 with 16 to go and reducing the magic number to four.
Friday September 17: The Twins (91-56) win again vs Oakland to start a six game homestand. Meanwhile Chicago wins in their game vs Detroit to improve to 79-68, and remain 12 games back with 15 to go. The Magic number is now three.
Saturday September 18: The White Sox (79-69) fall to Detroit and the Twins (92-56) beat Oakland to increase the division lead to 13 games with only 14 to go, and the magic number is one.
Sunday September 19: The White Sox (80-69) win to complete a series victory over the Tigers, however, the Twins (93-56) clench a tie for the AL Central for the second straight year with a win and series sweep vs Oakland. The lead remains 13 with 13 to go.
Monday September 20: The White Sox make their way to Oakland knowing one thing that they have to win their final 13 games of the season and pray that the Twins have a 13 game losing streak, however it is not to be as the White Sox who win to improve to (81-69) on the season, see their chances of winning the AL Central come to a end as the Twins (94-56) clench the division with a victory over Cleveland.
Overall I can easily see Chicago finishing with a 86-76 record, but they will likely not get to 94-96 wins. Meanwhile, given the way the Twins are playing, I can see them ending up with a 101-61 record, but we will likely get anywhere from 96-100 wins on the season. Still, this season, like all, represent challenges as the Twins had a 9-9 Interleague record while Chicago finished that portion of the season with a 16-3 record.
Postseason: I am not saying that everything is certain, but the Twins will likely be facing a AL East opponent to start the postseason. However, I can expect it to be the Boston Red Sox since the Yankees are slumping. I believe that the AL East will come down to the final weekend of the season and if Boston could easily steal the Wild Card or Division in the last week of the season and leave us to face New York. No matter who we face, we will have the benefit of rested starters compared to last season. If you give Carl Pavano and Francisco Liriano, they could be wonderful during a short series. Ron Gardenhire might start LIriano in game one with Pavano working game two and Brian Dunesing and Kevin Slowey working games three and four. This would leave either Liriano or Pavano to start game five if necessary with the other starting game one of the ALCS which will likely be against Boston, Tampa Bay, or New York though drawing Texas would be nice.
At this point, let's assume we go the distance in the ALDS and Pavano starts on short rest and pitches a gem. We then have Liriano for game one and would then have Dunesing and Slowey for games two and three. In order to avoid a possible situation where Brian Dunesing would start game one of the World Series, I would pitch Carl Pavano in game four and Liriano for game five and leave Dunesing and Slowey or Scott Baker to pitch games six and seven. Regardless of who we meet, given the firepower in the lineup, it is very likely that we could face the same situation that hit us in both 1987 and 91 where we won the pennant in five games. That is how good this team is right now.
World Series: Again, I don't know who we will meet, but If I had a guess it would be Philadelphia and the Twins have proven that they can beat them when we weren't playing that good in June. If that is the case, I have every reason to expect World Championship number three with us splitting games one and two in Philadelphia and clenching at home in five.
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not with the rotation we currently have going...
our 1-2-3 punch of Liriano, Baker , Pavano
are pitching more like #3, #4 and #5 starters right now
so unless we go with :
1 Slowey 2 Duensing 3 Pavano 4 Liriano
No Yankees for me thats scarry to think about how they might beat in the brains of our SP’s
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 20, 2010 2:24 AM EDT reply actions
I like you're work
but you’re analysis of Boston possibly beating out New York Yankeees down the stretch is flawed,,,
and I don’t think we’ll beat out the Chi Sox by nearly that many games….
I called on the exact pitch - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
Why Oh Why did the D'Backs select A.J. Pollock over Mike Trout?
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Aug 20, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting conjecture Jessy
I voted no. Don’t get me wrong, beating the Yankees in the first round would be awesome on many levels (the central one being that we finally “break the curse”), but if I had my pick I’d rather go through some combo of Tampa, Boston, and Texas. We’ve bitched about losing to NY so much that I won’t add anything new in saying it, but: losing to the Yankees, losing in the ALDS, and losing to the Yankees in the ALDS all got old a long time ago. I don’t think I can fathom another dose of that this year…hell, I’m still scarred by game two of last year’s sweep to the point where, out of nowhere, I’ll randomly see A-Roid’s game-tying homer sail into the stands and Phil Cuzzi’s foul call in my mind from time to time.
In the least I’m rooting for us to have a better record than Texas so we host the wild card team, thus obtaining home-field advantage in the first round. I can’t predict the outcome of the Al East race at all (hoping for Tampa to win it), but if NY does indeed face us as the wild card I think it’ll be a better scenario than the previous matchups. Hopefully Boston will get it instead.
What concerns me about the playoffs is indeed the pitching, starting and relief. I don’t think this recent stretch is a disheartening indication that our starters aren’t great, as the White Sox are a tough team fighting for a playoff spot and scored like it. But the ups and downs some of them have gone through (especially Baker) make me a little anxious. Boston, New York, Tampa, and Texas all have potent lineups, and I fear some of the rotation getting shellacked in critical games. On the flipside, I can just as easily see them rising to the occasion and pitching a clutch gem.
As for the bullpen…except for Jesse Crain, I’m not too crazy about them right now either. Rauch and Capps in particular need to fine-tune their game. With the offense in such a groove, Smith should really scour the market for relief pitching this month. Scott Downs would be nice since we could use another lefty aside from Mahay…if another great starter becomes available, that could be a worthy investment as well.
by MarshalltheIrish on Aug 20, 2010 3:12 AM EDT reply actions
pitching
The bullpen was exposed vs Chicago and the best starters were very shaky. If that continues the playoffs are no sure thing.
by clutterheart on Aug 20, 2010 6:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Going 9-0 at home...
Shouldn’t be expected. Seems like you believe just cause we are home we are going to win every game which seems fishy to me.
The games are vs
Detroit, Texas, and Kansas City.
That's alot more lopsided than I would expect.
After last night’s game, I don’t think you guys are going to get away by that large of a margin. I would expect we dance around 4-5ish games behind for awhile, then something big happens either way at the next head-to-head. But…11 GB at that point? I don’t know about that one.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 20, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions
+1
I still expect this to go down to the last week.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
+1
At the AS break, I compared schedule difficulty (simply using opponent win %) and while neither the White Sox or the Twins have overly difficult remaining schedules, the White Sox have a slightly easier 2nd half than the Twins. So I would not be surprised if the lead shrinks at some point, especially since we finished the easiest portion of our 2nd half schedule not too long ago.
At the start of the season, I predicted the Twins will go 93-69. I still stand by that and I think that should be enough to win the AL Central, but you never know.
Actually
There have been predictions and analysis of Chicago having the harder schedule down the stretch. They face the Yankees in one series and Boston in two. That is a total of 10 games. Tack on the Twins, and that total increases to 13 vs 10 games for the Twins which are vs Texas and the White Sox.
I hope not
That means we’d come back to them.
It wouldn’t shock me if we did that, but we’re are better team than they are. We should pull away.
This is like Star Wars fan fiction or something.
Weird.
I mean, I know you probably spent a lot of time on this, I’m not knocking that. But it is, it’s like fan fiction.
I made it to “We’ll be up by 11 games with 19 to go.” After this I just could not hang in there. I mean, I hope you are right, but good Lord, if any sense of reality in the last 10 years has taught us anything, it’s that we are not going to be up by 11 games with 19 to go.
Having said that, if we are, I will post an official “You are VERY smart” appology.
I always loved that one.
+1
There is no analysis here — literally none at all. It’s just a bunch of declarative “and this could happen” statements dressed up in defenseless “this will happen” verbiage. Are you (Jessy S) 12?
by tobynotjason on Aug 22, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I made it clear
That I had based the predictions on season long trends, and other trends for postseason play. I am not saying that anything would happen to a tee, but was pointing out what “COULD HAPPEN”. I could be wrong. We might clench on the final weekend of the regular season. Or we could see our entire pitching staff go to the DL forcing us to call up what amounts to Kyle Gibson and a Double AA Pitching staff, and we also see our hitters in massive trouble to the point that everyone slumps at the same time, and we lose Justin Morneau to retirement. As a result, we finish in third while Detroit manages to catch Chicago and force a one game playoff that they win, and they go on to win their first title since 1984.
By the way, I am 31.
Oh, Jessy S. You're a real treasure.
"Bee curful, dont wannur get sucked under der wheels like Mildreder's brudder ehr?"
by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
and he's all ours...
My life's goal: to force fischean itno using her moderator powers
by montanatwinsfan on Aug 20, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet you wish Jessy S was from Butte, Montana
so you can run and tell that, run and tell that, run and tell that
homeboy, home, home, homeboy
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Aug 20, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
do your mom and dad know that you are up this late?
My life's goal: to force fischean itno using her moderator powers
by montanatwinsfan on Aug 21, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha this is unusually harsh for TT.
VG.
Time to call in the Q!avalry.
by ScottyPods Ver2.0 on Aug 25, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
One of your South Side Sox members said that he wanted Joe Mauer to die and a Twinkie Town poster wished for Mark Burelah to be a zombie. Plus it all started when you said that we are just a bunch of model railroad junkies.
It was harsh of us to call Buehrle a zombie.
The politically-correct term is “Undead-American.”
so you can run and tell that, run and tell that, run and tell that
homeboy, home, home, homeboy
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Aug 26, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I didn't think you were really from there
I was just poking fun at montanatwinsfan
so you can run and tell that, run and tell that, run and tell that
homeboy, home, home, homeboy
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Aug 21, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
//Facepalm
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Dude, grit+hustle > 'the dark side'." -LNP
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 21, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever the case, I am from North Dakota
Besides I rather answer a question and reveal where I am from instead of allowing everything to get out of control.
by Jessy S on Aug 21, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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given the way the Twins are playing, I can see them ending up with a 101-61 record
Wow.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Dude, grit+hustle > 'the dark side'." -LNP
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 20, 2010 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Dear Jessy S
I would like to know where I can get a drug to make me so delusional.
Or is it perhaps that you have run out of medicine?
Between this and the Chicago PD incident, I am concerned.
Vikings considering signing Carl Pavano's moustache for 2010 season as backup QB, possibly attaching to Favre.
by carlpavanosmoustache on Aug 21, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
Reading this again without the post "Scott Pilgrim"-buzz.....
This IS pretty far out speculation. This is a great Twins team, but there’s no way we get more than 100 wins. I see a mid-90’s amount at best, 95 being my personal tops. How do we lose only 10 more games at this point?
In the very least, your World Series prediction is what I’d like to see. It’d be new territory though to win one of the first two seeing as the Twins are 0-9 in WS road games…
by MarshalltheIrish on Aug 21, 2010 3:19 AM EDT reply actions
And we have to win on the road this year in order to win the championship.
Don’t fault the Twins for being losers on the road in World Series play. It is tough for any team to win at Dodger Stadium especially when the Dodgers are bad. Just ask the Giants who had game 163 stripped from them the final day of the 1993 regular season. The Dodgers are 5-4 in World Series play having lost to Baltimore, Oakland, and the Yankees. It is tough enough playing the Dodgers on the road if you are in the NL.
In 1987, understand that we were not a good road team that year.
Finally in 1991, the losses in Games 3 and 4 were flukes.

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