Monday Breakfast & Baseball: Notes, Notes, And More Notes
The Twins are off today before starting a three-game series with Detroit tomorrow night, but there's certainly plenty of notes out there this morning. Notes columns, as far as the eye can see!
Teams just couldn't agree on Lee - StarTribune.com
La Velle's notes column discusses how the Twins and Mariners couldn't work out a Cliff Lee deal, plus reminds us all how Delmon Young's awful defense helped cost the Twins yet again on Sunday. And there's more beyond that, as always.
Twins Notes - AaronGleeman.com
Gleeman's weekly notes column touches on Jim Thome, Brian Fuentes, Jason Kubel, Pat Neshek, Wilson Ramos... and closes with a vomit-inducing stat about Denard Span.
Team-first mentality key in Twins' clubhouse - MLB.com
According to the official site, the team does its homework about whether a guy will fit into the clubhouse, before they go get him. I'm not sure if this means "make sure he's a good guy," or "make sure he's not in to Satanic pre-game rituals involving live sacrifices of any kind," but they apparently put in the time.
Morneau's return is the key to it all - StarTribune.com
La Velle thinks that whether Justin Morneau returns could be the key to the Twins' season. The Sox are getting Manny Ramirez, and though I'm loath to indulge in the game of "getting Morneau back would be like getting our own Manny, but defensively able and, you know, not a head case," it would be nice.
Twins alumni game: His concussion doesn't end the fun - St Cloud Times
Corey Koskie was in St. Cloud for the Twins Alumni game over the weekend, and the St. Cloud Times talked to him. I miss Corey Koskie. Plus: Bonus photo of Jim Eisenreich!
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Why can't Span run
Gleeman found a great tidbit. Span has been atrocious on the basepaths. It makes his batting line overestimate his worth and suggests he should be batting 9th, not leadoff.
So, am I the only one who doesn’t think Span getting picked off is a big deal? This team scores almost 6 runs a game. His problem on the basepaths is the same problem he’s having everywhere else. He’s young and stupid. He’ll put it all together soon.
by Brady Eyestone on Aug 30, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions
Yes, you are
Sure, the Twins are scoring a lot of runs in spite of it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a problem. If a guy struck out every at bat but the team won, we’d still want him to start hitting the ball occasionally.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
He will learn.
I hope he is taking a close look at his screw ups. Hopefully he will learn, Grasshopper.
Span is not learning
He’s taking shorter leads and still nearly getting picked off. He’s getting such poor jumps because he’s afraid to take off early. He made the most inexcusable mistake recently—getting picked off first on the fake-to-third-throw-to-first play. Announcers often say, “I don’t know why they do that, it never works.” Well, with D-Span on first it does. After that incident, they tried it again a few games later. He was nearly picked off again! Replays showed he was actually tagged before his hand got on the bag, but the ump called him safe.
His head is so screwed up with base running, he’s the fastest station-to-station ball player in the game.
Why is this an issue? Hello. We just returned from a road trip in which we scored a grand total of 13 runs in 7 games and nearly half of those runs in one game. We lost three of the four games by one run. You damn right it’s an issue, especially when the lead-off guy has a .336 OBP.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
great at-bat
to open the game yesterday. Got down 0-2, saw a ton of pitches, worked a walk. This is not his best year, to be sure, and he’s having some confidence issues, but I think he will bounce back.
This is my beef with Gardenhire.
HAHAHA, that title alone is worth the effort as it is so tangential and so easy. "Someone complains about the manager, stick insult here: "
But seriously, the other day Gardenhire took the time to personally call out Alexi Casilla for mental mistakes and then bench him.
Would he have done that with Mauer or Morneau if they had a ‘down’ game: No
Would he have done that to Delmon Young, last year: Yes
Would he have done that to Delmon Young, this year: Plenty of opportunities, but he hasn’t yet
Would he have done that with Denard Span: Plenty of opportunities, but he has chosen not to
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by montanatwinsfan on Aug 30, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
don't think that's right
scored 6 on thursday and 6 on friday. I think it was 20 runs in 7 games. Still bad for sure.
by matswilander on Aug 30, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, my bad. I missed a game
Still, in five out of seven games, we scored three runs or less. That’s not good.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Morneau may not be a headcase
but his case is head related
"Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror" ~George Carlin
by thewild_viking_twins on Aug 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
two more links of interest
Few more links:
The Daily Dish has a vote going as to who won the Young/Garza trade here
And fangraphs suggests that Ramirez should be worth about one win for the Sox in his final 100 ABs and says that was definitely worth $4million here
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by montanatwinsfan on Aug 30, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
101-13 Garza over Young
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
That's closer than I expected
I’m surprised that Bill Smith has 13 separate email accounts.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
If one win is worth $4 million
The median payroll would be $300 million.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
well, what he really said is that one win could very well push them into the playoffs, and if they make the playoffs
THAT would be worth it.
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by montanatwinsfan on Aug 30, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It's 1 win over replacement level that's worth ~ $4 million
and that’s only on the free agent market. Even a waiver-wire, all AAAA, all league-minimum team would win 40 games or so, so it’s those next 50 wins or so that teams pay for.
Wins above replacement, I believe
The assumption when calculating the $4M number is that a team of replacement level, minimum salary players would produce on the order of 50 wins. So the real marginal cost per win is really above that replacement level. Of course, that would still put a median payroll around $120M, but that’s due to teams getting value far above salary for many players. I believe the $4M number came from an analysis of the total WAR acquired in free agency and the number of dollars that were spent.
by Adam Peterson on Aug 30, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
1 marginal win is wroth about $4M
Subtract 50 wins from the payroll – about what a team full of replacement level players would win. 90 wins = (90-50)*4 = $160M. A 90 win team of nothing but free agents would cost about $160M.
Bad year for span.
But I’m not worried about him. When he hits like he did last year, he can be one of the best lead-off men in the game.
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
I love how everyone is giving Young a lot of crap now that he's slumping.
He’s obviously got the talent to hit well.
As for his defense, I was happy he didn’t dive for that ball yesterday…conservative play to allow only 1 run to score rather than missing on the dive and allowing 2 right away.
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
He wouldn't have had to dive if he took the proper angle
instead of taking a step back off contact, then running to the side instead of at the ball, he could have caught that ball. A good LF catches that ball.
I love Delmon, I love his potential, but man he’s atrocious in the field.
+1...except...a below average fielder catches that ball...very few don't catch that ball.
That ball is an out . It’s a waist-high catch if the left fielder starts in instead of back. The problem with stepping back is that it’s not one second to go back and one second to come back forward to the same place (two seconds lost). It’s one second to go back, one second to get the momentum shifted and one second to go forward (three seconds lost). Then, of course, it takes another one or two seconds to get into position. So a play that should take two seconds to get into position might take DY something like five seconds…not nearly good enough.
"I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. See, my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it . . ."
by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Aug 30, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
This should be a Caption Contest photo,
I mean, WTF is Casilla doing there? Is his left arm holding back the right arm becuase he is afraid of destroying his teammates’ arms in a high five with his super-human strength? Or is that really a grimace of pain because his right arm is broken and he needs to use the left arm to prop it up for post game celebrations?
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by montanatwinsfan on Aug 30, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions
I seem to remember from last year
that Cuddyer has a reputation of just annihilating his teammates with high fives after he hits a homer. So I think Casilla is bracing himself.
winning
the manny acquisition scares me…. check out bettorbelieveit.com the baron capper is killing it
And before we leave Seattle behind...
here’s a full on bj from a Seattle sportswriter…
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/stevekelley/2012758451_kelley30.html
"When among evil companions, try to fit in." - Wild Bill Donovan
Nah, it's like the tease who flirts with you just to mess with you
I don’t know how Gardy can say stuff like that with a straight face the way he treated Cuddyer, Kubel, Bartlett and Garza. Maybe those are the exceptions to the rule of playing home-grown talent come what may. But they’re pretty big exceptions.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
From the Outside
I agree with you cmath. However, I think the manager might see a little bit more in and about a player when they come up. I certainly like all the guys you mentioned and thought when they were rookies (and young players) that they should play more. Interestingly, all four have become good players, so maybe the slow and patient approach is the best approach.
It will be interesting also to see what the Twins do at second and third for 2011. Will they trust Casilla and Valencia or will they bring back Hudson or another veteran infielder? They are letting Valencia play and until the little bruhaha in Seattle, Casilla had played extremely well and was getting much more playing time than he was early in the year.
My humble opinion is that while both of the young infielders have exceeded expectations this year, the Twins should have a reliable backup plan in the event that one or both of those guys fizzle next year.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions
Great links
I read that Span stat last night…ecccchhhh. Who, for the record, is our best base-stealer this year?
by MarshalltheIrish on Aug 30, 2010 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Me
Or my alter-ego, little Lexi Casilla. Chuck Tanner, the old Pirates manager used to have his bottom of the order guys run all the time. The ones hitting in front of Stargell, Parker etc. he didn’t want to run as much because you don’t want to give up runners and outs in front of run producers. He figured that a team should try to steal runs with the bottom of the order. I think that in 2011, Lexi should be the second baseman and he should bat down in the order and run at will. His percentage at the big league level is excellent.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Good call
Damn, Chuck Tanner, hadn’t heard that name in ages. That strategy is a smart one.
And Alexi being the leader in SB doesn’t surprise me. I’ve loved his performance this year for his speed, as well as the fact that he’s actually hitting. With our starting infield issues resolved, if I had to take just one backup infielder, I’d take Lexi over LNP in a heartbeat.
by MarshalltheIrish on Aug 30, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What to do about DY....hmmm
The Twins need his bat in the line-up because he can drive in runs but his defense is so bad it has cost Twins’ pitchers on a number of occasions. He is responsible for Pavano’s loss. The ball was hit three feet in front of him. It seems as if he is so scared that the ball is going to go over his head that he always takes two steps back before coming forward. He did the same thing on Longoria’s pop fly and cost Capps a save. Maybe he should play a bit shallower so that when he takes his two steps back he can still recover??? I dunno…it’s frustrating to say the least!
"I don't think it's nice, you laughin'. See, my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it . . ."
by Skippy tastes better than Jiff on Aug 30, 2010 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
I won't go that far
I do think Young should have caught the ball yesterday. There have been many balls that he should have caught and hasn’t besides several that he has gotten leather on and didn’t hold. The arm is nice, but it doesn’t make up for the many mistakes Young has made. He just doesn’t seem to have any instincts out there. There are other bad OFs. I saw Jeff Larish trying to play left in Yankee Stadium and he didn’t get to three balls and made a bad throw in an inning where the Yankees scored five runs. Tuiossisopo played left for the M’s one game and looked pretty bad, too.
Which brings us back to Souhan’s opinion that the Twins should consider trading Delmon. It sounded pretty foolish when he was Player of the Month in July. It doesn’t seem so foolish now when he has struggled with the bat and continued to make Kubel look like a good outfielder in comparison. If we are going to take the small sample of this year and say that Target Field will “play big”, it makes sense to add a gifted OF who might not hit as much as Delmon, but who takes away runs on defense (no not Gomez!).
Young’s entire season has been a breakthrough offensively, but he does have to hit like he did in June and July to make up for his defense and lack of plate discipline. I doubted he could ever do what he did in June and July, but Delmon is still far from a complete ballplayer.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Aug 30, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions

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