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Twenty Reasons Why Baseball is Better Than Football

T-minus two days and counting until the start of the NFL Football season. At this point, I suspect many of you reading this article are happy to shift into football mode after a long eight months since the last Vikings game. But, while I understand Twinkie Town readers are obviously a biased crowd, I'm one for whom football (especially the NFL, less than college) is an afterthought while the baseball season is still going strong. So rather than write some article asking whether the Chicago White Sox will ever lose another baseball game, or whether the Twins can live with losing that critical 40th guy on the roster, I decided to give you all 20 reasons why baseball is simply better than football...and leave it at that. First of all, I should note that I love to watch football, especially college football. I live and die by the Vikings, read the Daily Norseman constantly, but I'm not nearly as invested in the football season as I am for baseball.

In no particular order, except perhaps chronological:

20. Hot Stove League: Baseball has a relatively short offseason, lasting only a little over three months from the end of the World Series to the start of spring training. And during that short time, free agency and trade rumors are pretty much constant. Will my team sign the big free agent? What can we do to improve and contend for a division title? With football, the offseason is about twice as long and dominated by two days: the start of free agency and the draft. I'll take the Hot Stove League any day. 

19. Spring Training: There's just something about the words "pitchers and catchers report..." during the end of winter. I don't know if it's the light at the end of a long wintry tunnel, the hope that "this could be the year" (I'm looking at you, Cubs fans), or simply being in Florida or Arizona, but spring training is easily the best preseason in pro sports. The games are just as meaningless, but unlike the NFL, owners don't see the need to charge season ticket holders a full 25% surcharge, full price for two games of scrubs against scrubs. With baseball, spring training is a destination for thousands of fans (especially looking for a week or two away from the northern winter) who can't wait to see the up and coming minor league star in batting practice, fielding drills, or a simple bullpen session.

18. Opening Day: I love the pomp and circumstance of opening day. Every player is 0-0 with zero homers, every pitcher's got a blank slate, every team is in contention. Sure, the NFL starts with the same blank slate, but after four preseason games, two of which are played at the team's home ballpark, football's opening weekend feels more like the third or fourth game of the season to me. With baseball, at least for half the teams (those who didn't play a three game exhibition series the weekend before opening day), it's the first game of the year for the ballpark.

Reasons #17 through #1 follow after the jump:

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17. Ballparks: This one is simple. Baseball games are played in "parks", where the fans are much closer to the action in a more intimate setting. The act of attending a baseball game is fundamentally a leisurely activity, much like the pace of the game (more on that later), like visiting a park with your family. Football games are played in "stadiums", where the fans are removed from the action, music is constantly pumped at deafening volume between plays, more of a coliseum type of setting. And especially nowadays, football stadiums have such a corporate air with one stadium feeling just like the next, it seems like so much of the home field advantage (e.g., RFK versus FedEx Field in Washington) is a thing of the past. One more thing, for the most part baseball games are played on grass while so many NFL and college stadiums have moved to the Field Turf. There's just something about the smell of fresh cut grass. Add the fact that baseball players don't wear helmets and are more visible to the average fan, and it's just a better experience to be at a ball game. 

16. Pace of the Game: Most baseball haters despise the slow (I consider it "leisurely") pace of the game. Have you attended an NFL game lately? Between the endless TV time outs, intermissions, and breaks in between plays, I feel like I'm watching a TV show during sweeps where the network tries to squeeze as many commercials as possible into a three hour period. At least with baseball a game doesn't feel like a vehicle to get as many commercials in front of the viewers as possible. Sure, baseball games can get slow when the batter steps out to adjust his gloves, shoes, jock, helmet, belt, sleeves, beard, etc. But at least there's a flow to the game rather than 5 seconds of hell followed by 40 seconds of large men catching their breath. Except for games involving the Boston Red Sox or New York Yankees.

15. New York Yankees: Speaking of the Yankees, I consider it good for baseball that there's that one team that everyone loves to hate. Or in the case of the Red Sox, two teams, at least since 2004. It gives the other 29 teams a common bond, but it also helps to set the bar higher for the other contenders. Take the Twins, who have struggled to say the least against the Yankees the past few years. Of course, the division is no sure thing, but how many discussions the past few months have started with "In order for the Twins to have a chance against New York in the postseason, they need..."  In the NFL, there's really no equivalent. Pittsburgh? Oakland? Not the same.

14. The Numbers: All of you know by now that I'm a numbers guy. In any sport with hundreds and hundreds of discrete events (at bats, pitches, outs) and each play beginning with a one on one matchup between the batter and pitcher, there are so many possibilities for statistics and other metrics. Could any other sport have brought us sabermetrics?

13. The History: Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Harmon Killebrew. There is such a rich history of Major League Baseball over the past 100+ years. And while the game has changed, statistics and the record books help to weave a common thread across the decades. Babe Ruth's 714 home runs, or Ty Cobb's 4,191 base hits, Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak, Ted Williams' .406 batting average, so many of the numbers are instantly recognizable by the common fan. Who can cite the record number of touchdown passes, yards rushing, etc off the top of their head? Not to mention the NFL didn't really take off until the 1958 NFL Championship between the Colts and Giants, generally considered the "Greatest Game Ever Played". By that point, baseball had many "greatest games".

12. Always a Chance To Win: It doesn't matter if a team is down by one run or ten runs, their opponent still has to get that 27th out. There's always a chance, however small, without a clock in charge. In a football game, it's all about the clock. If a team is up 20 with two minutes left, they can simply kneel and run out the clock. In baseball, there is no such thing as kneeling. Perhaps Dennis Green would be a better baseball manager than NFL Head Coach...?

11. Extra Innings: Of all the major pro sports, baseball has it right when it comes to a tie game after the end of regulation play. Football's sudden death overtime, while very exciting, is so artificial. And don't even get me started on the artificiality of college's overtime. With baseball, it's simply a continuation of the game until someone wins.

10. Everyone Bats*: At its core, the game of baseball comes down to the matchup between the batter and the pitcher. And in baseball, every team member has to come to bat at some point. In football, it's always the quarterback and other "skill" positions, and virtually no one plays both offense and defense. (*) Don't get me started on the DH. I love watching Jim Thome or David Ortiz' careers extended by a few years, but it's never felt right to me.

9. Hall of Fame: With the baseball Hall of Fame, fans can have hours and hours of arguments about whether players like Bert Blyleven are worthy of a spot, or whether Pete Rose should be reinstated, for the sole purpose of becoming eligible for induction. This is mostly because the bar is simply set higher for baseball players to get into the Hall. In a given year, only one or two players are inducted into the baseball Hall of Fame, whereas the NFL requires four to seven players to be inducted every year. I just don't see the same kind of discussion about potential inductees in the NFL.

8. Regular Guys: Quite simply, football is more a game of genetics than baseball. Only a very small subset of the population will have the size or raw athleticism to be a pro football player. In this sense, the NFL is much like the NBA, for the most part short guys need not apply. In baseball, so many of the players do not at first glance appear to be genetic freaks. Guys like Dustin Pedroia, Ozzie Guillen and David Eckstein could pass for an average Joe walking down the street. I think this helps fans identify with baseball players in a much different way than with football players. Throw in a pretty much required 4+ year stint riding the bus in the minor leagues, even for first round draft picks, and you get a much more humble bunch of guys as well.

7. Trades: So much a part of the game throughout the baseball year, teams are constantly looking to wheel and deal in an attempt to improve themselves. In the NFL, you may see a few offseason trades, but trades are pretty few and far between. Not to mention such an early trade deadline in the NFL, less than halfway through the season, makes it impossible for a team to set itself up for the stretch run.

6. Pennant Races: There's nothing like a great pennant race during late September. Every game feels like a do-or-die situation, you're constantly watching the scoreboard and counting down the magic number. With football, it's all about the playoff scenarios, "The Vikings make it to the playoffs with a win, or a Green Bay loss or tie, or a Dallas and New York loss or tie." Not the same.

5. No Hitter: Every time you watch a ball game, there's the chance you might see history. A no hitter, perfect game, four home runs, the tension becomes palpable inning by inning, and even the opposing team's fans begin to root for history to be made. With football, what's the equivalent? A quarterback going the entire game without an incompletion? Adrian Peterson going a full game without a fumble (sorry, cheap shot there)?

4. No Penalty Flags: Whenever something great happens in a football game, there's always that voice in the back of your head that asks, "Was there a penalty, where's the flag, I think I see yellow at the 45 yard line". It's not possible to be truly into the touchdown, interception, whatever. In baseball, with very few exceptions, a home run is a home run. When Jim Thome hit the walkoff home run against Chicago, there was no need to look for a penalty flag. Just screaming.

3. No Kickers: This one drives me crazy. For 60 minutes, guys have pounded on each other relentlessly, leaving everything they have on the football field. And with the outcome of the game (and in some cases, the Super Bowl) on the line, it all comes down to the lonely kicker. What would be the baseball equivalent? Playing 8-1/2 innings and then having the manager come out and try to hit a fungo into the batter's eye in center field? At least baseball games are decided by the players, not a pseudo-player like the kicker.

2. Having a Catch: This is really a father and son thing. Sure, a father and son can throw a football, or shoot some hoops together, but it's not the same as having a catch. And could you ever imagine a football version of the movie "Field of Dreams", where a guy has a chance to have a catch with his long-dead dad. I don't know about you, but my eyes have a hard time staying dry with that one.

1. 162 versus 16: The Major League baseball season, for me, is a metaphor for life. You have to get out there each and every day, it can be a grind at times, you have your good and bad days, and at times you have to go out there and win without your "A-game". With football, it's a week of intense preparation and recovery from the previous battle, followed by another battle on Sunday. This makes football great for television, but by the end of a baseball season a serious fan has so much more invested over 162 games and nearly 500 hours of time. Heck, that's a full quarter of a year for most 40 hour a week jobs.

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All very true, particularly about the NFL. NFL training camp coverage makes me want to shoot myself with boredom, and I really LIKE football. I am, however, crazy, nutty, jacked, hyphy for college football this year.

16. YES! Football fans who complain about slow baseball need to get a grip. Football games can literally be condensed down to about 16-18 minutes if you cut it down to only snap-to-tackle. Literally, a 4 hour game in like 17 minutes. In baseball, there is a lot more nuance in the in-between times…

14. Baseball truly is the sport of intellectuals (as it has been called by many) or, if you wish to argue over it, at least the sport for geeks and math people to follow.

13. THis may be the number 1 biggest thing baseball has no other sport comes close to. I call it ‘ghosts.’ Football has history, baseball has ghosts.

12. Refer to my signature

9 + 8. You started to touch on another key point here, but never got to it exactly. Major League Baseball is played at by FAR the highest level of any major pro sport. In the NBA or NFL, after college, players are tossed right into the pro ranks and expected to produce against the best in the world. New CB’s may have stiff hips they need to work on, or Lebron James may start with a crappy jumper, but they are still tossed out in the mix and are often successful. In baseball, the slightest technical flaw will keep most players in AA. Double clutch throws in the infield? You can’t play in the MLB. Can’t hit leftie’s sliders? Can’t hit against them in MLB. Every skill is perfectly honed to a standard non-existent in other sports by necessity

6. This is one I’ll actually argue, at least the idea of every game mattering. Playoff races in baseball are fun because it’s an every day grind, ebb and flow, that slowly accelerates in intensity through the year. In football, every game is MASSIVE, especially down the stretch. in college football, every game is basically a playoff game. I will add, though, that the MLB is nice because it’s actually really tough to MAKE the playoffs. The NBA and NHL are boring as hell because the whole damn league makes the playoffs. It makes the end of the regular season pointless and the playoffs long and boring. The NFL is somewhere in between.

4. Haha, yup, THis is worst in the NBA. Let’s ignore how the Twins won on Sunday for this one though…

1. WHile broadcasting, I enjoy the conflicting feels of the two sports and I don’t know if I can pick between the hype of football and the flow of baseball, it’s just different. But as a pure fan, I definitely agree with you on the beauty of the baseball schedule.

This was a great article and made me very happy. Baseball just has a warm feel to it that is a combination of many of these, especially the ones about the flowing pace of a baseball game and season, the ghosts/history in the game, and all the subtle nuances in a game.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane

by AdamOnFirst on Sep 7, 2010 4:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Items #8 and #9

I agree with you, wish I had taken the time to expound on this a bit more, as it’s one of the most important on the list IMO. Part of baseball’s beauty is that it has such a robust minor league system that spans hundreds of teams across the entire country. Part of the reason for this is that it doesn’t require a genetic “freakness” of size, height, speed, etc to play the game at the highest levels. Of course, raw talent, be it power or a 99 MPH fastball helps, but it’s not like 99% of the population is immediately eliminated from the outset. This is one reason why there’s no such minor league feeder system for the NBA or NFL. Once you’re beyond the initial pool of talent on each team, there simply aren’t that many other players with the potential to become key contributors at the highest level.

by Adam Peterson on Sep 7, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Arguing #6 - pennant races

I’m certainly not looking to argue that every game matters down the stretch in baseball, nor does it matter in football, especially once the leaders have wrapped up a playoff spot and need to rest the walking wounded. It’s more a matter of the extra playoff spots in the NFL. In baseball (perhaps less so once the wild card was introduced, but bear with me for now), you will see a few key division races play out during the year. What the wild card did is make sure the best division races down the stretch involve the worst teams. Take this year in the AL, for example. Both New York and Tampa Bay know they’re in extremely good shape for a wild card if they come up short in the division. It would be intriguing as heck to see them slug it out over the last few weeks. Instead, we’ll probably see both teams back off the pedal the last week or two of the season to set up playoff rotations.

That said, in the NFL it seems like the two wild card spots make it a lock that good division races become relative non-issues. Every game matters, but it’s more for playoff seeding purposes rather than a division race. But don’t get me wrong, I’m just citing the pennant race aspect, not the playoffs. The one and done aspect of the NFL playoffs is just great, every game is a Game 7.

by Adam Peterson on Sep 7, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

A little different reasoning on my behalf

For me, the football season doesn’t start until my Twins are eliminated. But, for most of my life, I’d have to say that I was a bigger Packer fan than a Twins fan. But that is changing. I don’t know if it’s the group of players that we have now (how they seem to stay out of trouble), Target Field finally being here, or the fact that football players seem to get into more messes than our guys (see Johnny Jolly, the latest Packer to find himself in court). I teach at a Christian school in Hawaii, and I’ve never been embarrassed by our Twins’ behavior or talking about them to my kids. It’s just so refreshing to have a team of “good guys.”

by TwinkieinHawaii on Sep 7, 2010 4:55 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Game. Set.

Match. Jesse wins this round. Although, golf and the NBA would probably flip places for me :)

by Corkatron on Sep 7, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amen, brother

so you can run and tell that, run and tell that, run and tell that
homeboy, home, home, homeboy

by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Sep 7, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

MLB and NCAA hoops

They dovetail so nicely to each other. MLB ends and NCAA hoops starts. NCAA hoops has the sense to get out of the way before Opening Day.

I’ll follow the NFL casually but there’s usually something better to do on a Sunday afternoon in the fall. I don’t really get excited about the NFL until the playoffs start. I like the NBA but the playoff series take FOREVER and by the time they’re done I’ve lost interest.

I guess I’m MLB>NCAA Basketball>Taking the kids to parks and museums>>>>NFL>NBA.

by DJL44 on Sep 7, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parks and museums > All sports except MLB

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Sep 7, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff

Adam. I agree on every point. There really is nothing better than baseball for me. I love the grind of the season. I love tracking the next big rookie four years before he even reaches the majors. I love the numbers game. And I love knowing that on almost any given day of the week, I have a chance to watch my favorite team play ball. And if I have to miss a game, it’s not an eternity to watch the next one.

by Corkatron on Sep 7, 2010 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Awesome article

I have friends that don’t understand my obsession with baseball over any other sport. Until now, I’ve been unable to define my love of the game. I think it mostly goes back to the rich history and just playing catch with my dad and brother when I was younger. I just don’t have the same feeling I get from a football that I do with a baseball and glove.

It’s something I want to pass down to my daughter as well. I know for kids nowadays, baseball doesn’t seem that exciting of a sport compared to football, basketball or even hockey, unless you know the ins-and-outs, the history, the game behind the game.

Again, loved this little write up. Thank you.

by TC Mooch on Sep 7, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

This is great

All good reasons. I’m left with nothing but genetics and emotion to tie me to the Vikings.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Sep 7, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Not intended to bash football

as much as put the two side by side and attempt to describe where I stand. There are many aspects of football, including college rivalries, weekly buildup and down for and from the games, the urgency of each game, playoffs, offense vs defense chess match, etc.

For me, football is above NHL, NBA, Golf and pretty much anything else other than baseball.

by Adam Peterson on Sep 7, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

football is more fum to play but

I have no idea how anyone could go to a football game and not lose their mind. 10 seconds of action folled by 60 seconds of standing around. TV timeouts. 4 quarters. Overhyped music

by clutterheart on Sep 7, 2010 9:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Depends on your age

I hope to be playing softball at age 50. I stopped playing football at age 12. I still have all my joints intact.

by DJL44 on Sep 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great ammunition for the fooball lobbyists at work

Since I’m such a baseball fanatic, the guys at work are dumbfounded that I can’t stand football and can only name one football player (Brett Favre)….one of them claimed “you’re my project for this winter!” as if he’s going to convert me.

This article will add to my arsenal of talking points on why football sucks. Thanks!

The beard abides.

by Jason Kubel's Beard on Sep 7, 2010 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

21. the scoring

i’ve always like the way a well-written scorecard can bring a game to life when there is no tv or radio replay available. maybe a play is scored 1-4-6-4-5-1, which of course signals a frenetic rundown between 2nd and third. maybe a runner strikes out and the catcher commits a 2-bag throwing error “2 E 2” and keeps a rally alive. scoring is a great way to keep yourself focused on every pitch brings every game into an almost zen-like harmony.

and you can put it on the boaaaaaard YES, HELL YES

by yefrem on Sep 7, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank You!

I always get a little bummed this time of year since I believe baseball to be at its best, but so many shift their attention to football. Don’t even get me started about ESPN’s “baseball” coverage at this time of year. Its a balm to read these comments from other baseball fans.

by Dale on Sep 7, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Another Great Read Adam, thank you...

…I would like to add another difference. In football, there is the NFL and really nothing else. If you don’t live near one of the major markets with a team, you are kind of left out. Baseball has hundreds of professional minor leagues. Whether you live in Omaha, Eastern Tennessee or upstate New York, you have your team to follow. What is even better, you can continue to follow your favorite players for years after they leave your team as they work their way to the big leagues.

by roger13 on Sep 7, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

How about this for an NFL tiebreaker...

Everybody on both teams lines up at their own 30 yard line, then both teams run as fast as they can straight at each other, colliding at the 50. The winner is the team that produces the most anti-particles.

by jimbo55403 on Sep 7, 2010 11:34 AM EDT reply actions  

It would work once

and then they would have to shut down the league for repairs… or the impact would create a mini black hole sucking the earth into a new dimension where there is no music but ESPN Jock Jams!

by caluofmn on Sep 7, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rule changes

One other advantage of MLB over NFL: The NFL changes major rules every year. The MLB tries to keep a steady rule set to preserve as much record integrity as possible. Sometimes rules have to be changed. But the MLB doesn’t just change the rules of the game in extra innings, for example.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Sep 7, 2010 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

No Clock

Games which utilize a clock just seem so strangely artificial.

“Well, we’ll just play for a predetermined set amount of time and whoever has the most points at the end wins.” WTF? That seems just to arbitrary to make for an interesting sporting contest.

Yeah, and when was the last time you saw an NFL game go under two hours? Or even three?

by MarkusRex on Sep 7, 2010 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

2-3 hours

In football, they could care less about the length of the game. It’s all about the number of commercials that can be squeezed into the full time slot.

Put it another way. When was the last time you saw an NFL (or college) football rule change that resulted in more plays over the 3 hour period? It’s always about the clock running between plays, commercials right after the extra point and again after the kickoff, leaving for another commercial during an instant replay (rather than, you know, showing the replay…). That’s what drives me crazy on TV. In person, it’s just covering your ears during the TV time outs.

by Adam Peterson on Sep 7, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like playing tennis and volleyball for that reason

Score X points and you win. Pro tennis is dreadful to watch though, no volleys.

by DJL44 on Sep 7, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the fans?

I tend to lump Football fans in the same category as NASCAR and Pro Wrestling fans: ignorant, obnoxious louts who care far more about silly, gratuitous spectacle than the intracacies of the game.

Baseball fans…not so much.

by MarkusRex on Sep 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

An article in the Wall Street Journal from a year ago or so

Measured that the average amount of time the ball is in play in football is about 11 minutes a game. 11 minutes out of a broadcast of 3+ hours. Not sure how this compares to baseball, but aside from the Yankees/Red Sox/Joe Mauer’s 15 mound visits an inning, most of the time in between pitches doesn’t seem as excrutiatingly slow as watching 10 lineman pick themselves up off the ground and saunter back to the huddle.

I don’t have the link to the WSJ article, I found it via a fanshot over on South Side Sox so that’s where you can find it, if you dare bwahahahahahah

by moroots on Sep 7, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Technically, the ball is pretty much always in play

In baseball, the only times the ball is not in play is in between innings, during a mound visit, and when a player is granted time. Otherwise, the game is going on. Baserunners can try to advance if the pitcher is not paying attention, etc.

-Flip

by Flip27 on Sep 7, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

MLB>NHL>The rest of the sports world

I didn’t really get into sports until I was working at a job that meant working with a predominately male sales staff. I started keeping track of the goings on just to have a starting point for conversations. The end result was I fell in love with baseball for all the reasons above.

The fact that the Twins were the hometown team and were easy to love probably didn’t hurt. I was always a numbers girl and baseball has plenty. It was an easy game to understand and I didn’t need a geometry lesson to diagram a play like football. My love for the NHL came along as I needed something to supplement hot stove season and while hits in the NFL are likely harder, they’re so much different than one that’s right on the glass 13 rows from my shared season tickets.

The NFL has never really grabbed my adoration. I like when the Vikings win since there’s less whining around the office, but I tire of how much coverage the NFL gets when baseball is approaching the pinnacle of their season. Baseball over football is an easy choice for me.

by Anelle on Sep 7, 2010 1:57 PM EDT reply actions  

2 more to add for me...

1. Seeing all the teams
In baseball, you get to see your team face off against every other team in the league, home and away, every season. If you want to see the Angels, you can buy a ticket when they come to town. The NFL’s short schedule means you can go years and years without having a team within your conference visit your town. This also makes for even-difficulty in schedules as well. In the MLB, no one ends up getting really screwed by the schedule makers.

2. Chance of winning
A Royals fan can plan on going to the ballpark to see his team take on the Yankees, and he has a reasonable chance of seeing Kansas City win that game. -At least a 25% chance. In the NFL, would a Lions fan really expect he might see his team put an upset on the Saints? The chance does still exist, but it’s more like 1 in 20 at best.

-Flip

by Flip27 on Sep 7, 2010 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

As a 3 sport athlete, baseball was always #3 on my list...

…and I see very few arguments here to dissuade that opinion.

#20: No opinion
#19: ST is the equivalent of preseason in football. Mediocre, if not downright unreal baseball, played in only two areas of the country. So while it may be cheaper to attend the game, most people would have to pay alot of money just to get to the game, i.e. flight, hotel, etc
#18: Again, the opening weekend of football means just as much as the start of any sport and the excitement level is just as high.
#17: I agree with you on this point.
#16: You have no good argument here. The pace of football can be fast or slow, depending on the situation, but baseball is ALWAYS SLOW.
#15: Really? This is a good point for you? You think it makes baseball more attractive to have THE SAME TEAM WIN EVERY YEAR.
#14: This is a good point for geeks. But not every baseball fan needs an Excel spreadsheet around to tell them who is good and who isn’t.
#13: No opinion
#12: Agree with you here
#11: Agree
#10: I don’t see the positive here. Which team would you rather watch hit, a team with 9 Joe Mauer’s, or a team with 1 Joe Mauer and 8 Drew Butera’s?
#9: There are more football players, and more football teams, thus more Hall of Fame inductees.
#8: Again, why is this good? I want to watch the best of the best, the most athletic of the athletic, not someone who can just throw a ball 60 feet 100 times a game or hit a ball in the gap and only get a single. And Yep, Strasburg, Chapman, Posey, etc have all done their 4 years in the minors for sure.
#7: No opinion
#6: You are a Twins fan that has (currently) annually been in the pennant hunt the past few years. But if you were a Royals, Indians, or late 90’s Twins fan, would you really love the pennant race that much? And how is it not the same to “watch the scoreboard” in either sport?
#5: Are you serious? There is no “palpable tension” in football? The whole football game is “palpable tension”. One of the problems with baseball is that it sometimes NEEDS the events that you describe in order to create “palpable tension”.
#4: I agree penalty flags can be annoying, but… isn’t baseball the game that lets 1 man determine on his own what is a ball and a strike? Isn’t an umpire calling a strike on a ball 4 inches off the plate the equivalent of an iffy holding call?
#3: Yeah, when pitchers bat in the NL, they are the equals of the regular hitters too.
#2: Silly argument here. If you think fathers and sons can’t or don’t bond over football, you need to revisit the DN and read through the posts of the guys who were so desperate for the Vikes to win last year so they could share that moment with their fathers before they passed. This is borderline insulting.
#1: I thought baseball was a summer sport, yet it starts in Feb, and ends in October, not summer months. I don’t seriously watch baseball until the NBA is over, and, unless the Twins are in playoff contention, don’t follow baseball once the NFL starts.

by San Diego Viking on Sep 7, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent...some disagreement

And I appreciate that, especially from a football fan’s perspective. A few replies…may get to others later this afternoon.

16. Yes, a football game can have pace if the team picks it up, but I still find the many TV time outs to be terribly annoying. But I suppose the “pace of the game” is really a preference. 5 seconds of hell followed by the players picking themselves up and trudging back to the huddle, or a more leisurely flow from pitch to pitch and at bat to at bat.

15. Yes. Not because the Yankees win “every year”, because they don’t. It’s because I think it’s a benefit to the game to have a team like the Yankees raise the bar for all of the other teams. Much like Tiger Woods in golf. Not sure if there’s an equivalent in football.

10. I’d rather watch a team of nine Joe Mauers, of course. But I think you missed my point. The football equivalent would be every player having to play both offense and defense. Except for the DH (in general, I am not a fan), a baseball player needs to provide enough value at the bat (or in the field) to be a contributor to the team. I’m not arguing that football should require every player to be a two way guy, but it is an aspect of baseball that I prefer to the much more specialized football positions and roles.

9. This one I flat out disagree with you. Are you saying that the bar is set at the same level between the NFL and MLB Hall of Fame? I don’t think so. There’s definitely a larger pool of players in the NFL, but this is primarily because over half of each team consists of backups as opposed to closer to a quarter of a baseball team (considering all starting pitchers as “starters”). Realistically, for a football team the pool of possible HoFers is 22 of 53 roster spots. For a baseball team it’s 15 of 25 players (9 position players, 5 SP, 1 RP). The difference is not as great as you might think. It’s just that a football team needs to be 2-3 deep at most positions due to injuries.

8. Strasburg, Chapman, Posey etc are the exception rather than the rule in baseball. Kurt Warner is by far the exception in the NFL, someone who took a number of years outside of the NFL before catching on. Perhaps you could look at NFL depth charts as the “minor leagues” for football, I guess.

6. It’s not just the Twins pennant races, but pennant races in general. Regardless of the team. As a Twins fan during the lean years in the late 90’s, I loved to watch the pennant races down the stretch. I guess it’s the difference between being a baseball fan with the Twins as my favorite team, as opposed to simply a Twins fan. There’s a difference.

5. I’m not talking about the “palpable tension” that has to do with which team is winning, changes in momentum, etc. It’s the fact that on any given day you could see something historic like a no hitter. What’s the football equivalent?

4. My problem is not penalty flags per se, nor the arbitrary umpire/referee calls. My issue is that when your team scores the touchdown, the immediate reaction is to search for a flag rather than 100% excitement. And that’s a down side for football, IMO.

3. A pitcher batting rarely decides a baseball game. And if it comes to that, it means the manager screwed up royally. Field goal kickers routinely decide football games. How many for the Vikings alone last season?

2. Again, I’m not saying fathers and sons don’t bond over football. I’m sure there are plenty of cases, totally agree. I know I’m biased (duh, why else would I have written this?), but for me there’s just something different about playing catch with a ball and glove versus a football.

1. And your argument is what? So baseball starts in February…and? The season (I don’t consider preseason in this) is effectively the seven months from April through October, pretty well centered around the summer months.

by Adam Peterson on Sep 7, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I definitely agree with this
I guess it’s the difference between being a baseball fan with the Twins as my favorite team, as opposed to simply a Twins fan. There’s a difference.

I can’t say which sport I prefer; I love my Vikings. But you make some great points, especially #1, #4, and #6.

by Hillstop on Sep 8, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

15. Yuck!

I could do without a team outspending almost everyone else by 2 or 3:1, thanks. They are the Red Army hockey team of baseball. At least in football, there are salary caps and parity.

14. * Yawn * Less stats, more sass!

But overall, I agree, MLB>NFL.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Sep 7, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Re: #13

Is there another sport with a player that has a still popular candy bar named after them?
And when something is accomplished with incredible difficulty it required “Ruthian” effort.

by z-squad on Sep 7, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Baby Ruth is not named for Babe Ruth

It’s name for a president’s daughter.

by Arbusto on Sep 8, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

In reply to the New York Yankees

Everyone hates the Eagles because of their fans.

Most people don’t like the Cowboys either.

I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...

by urluckyday on Sep 7, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

True.

But neither of them are on par with the universal hatred of the damn Yankees.

by Jesse on Sep 7, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh how often

it’s the NE teams, fans we despise. go figure.

by bl4ckduck on Sep 7, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about the Cowboys

and they’re pretty disliked, with the exception of many frontrunners just like the Yankees. But it’s not to the same degree, and with the NFL’s salary cap they don’t have the built in advantages.

Then again, if I were writing this from a football rather than a baseball perspective, I’d probably cite the salary cap as a plus for football. But the cap does have a number of disadvantages, including screwing over the 4-5 year veterans who have actually shown they can play in the NFL, as they’re cut to make room for the first round draft picks.

by Adam Peterson on Sep 8, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least

We all still agree the soccer blows?

But seriously folks I love both, and won’t take sides.

by d_fens on Sep 7, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

baseball nicknames- football cant touch it. or any sport

in baseball in every city as a kid growing up. we use to hear the kids. the MICK, hammerin hank, say-hey-joltin joe- the duke. we could go on and on harmon -killer -tony o. to me that has always separated baseball from other sports. maybe the younger generations can someday get it back to that ? im a old-timer who grew up with baseball as the purest and greatest game played. times have changed maybe its all the player movement ,hard to get attached to players nowadays.as a 365 day a year baseball junkie. we old timers miss the old nicknames. lnp-baby jesus. its all fun but not the same guys!

by mr mpls on Sep 7, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

now we got

ARod, KRod, A letterRod, I blame video games for our collective lack of imagination…

by caluofmn on Sep 8, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with San Diego Viking

I’m a big Twins fan, but football is better. And the nation agrees.

by DY4MVP on Sep 8, 2010 1:00 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure the Nation does agree.

Football fans are traditionally more vocal, and it’s a lot easier to watch every single football game…because you only play once a week.

Unless of course there’s a poll or two somewhere.

by Jesse on Sep 8, 2010 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're going to have to do better than "the nation agrees"

to make your point. The main reason “the nation” prefers the NFL is that once a week games on the weekend are much easier for the casual fan.

By the same argument, does this mean Baywatch is a “better” show than Arrested Development because it gets higher ratings? Or soccer is better because it’s far more popular across the world?

by Adam Peterson on Sep 8, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few thoughts to add...

#17: One thing I have always loved about baseball over any other sport is that the playing field is not uniform from stadium to stadium. The fact that the wall could be 330 ft or 380 ft away depending on the park, all the unique angles, the fact that there could be a hill or an ivy covered wall this makes the game special

- I also think the pace of scoring in baseball is perfect. It could be 1-0 or 14-10, but in general each run seems to matter. A sport like basketball on the other end tends to devalue scoring for me. Someone scores and I say, “Who cares? they are going to do that 50 more times in this game.” A score of 130 – 115 is ridiculous. On the other end of the spectrum, as much as I love soccer, 0-0 after 90 minutes can be a little taxing.

- Finally, as a science geek I have always loved the physics of pitching. The fact that a certain grip or minute wrist movement can drastically change how the ball moves when travelling close to 100 mph is fascinating. The fact that pitchers can place these pitches in such a small area is even cooler.

by MilkAndCookiesForGardyclaus on Sep 8, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Oops

Ignore that strikethrough. It should read:
One thing that I have always loved about baseball over any other sport is that the playing field is not uniform from stadium to stadium. The fact that the wall could be 330 ft or 380 ft away depending on the park, all the unique angles, the fact that there could be a hill or an ivy covered wall makes the game special.

by MilkAndCookiesForGardyclaus on Sep 8, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Very good point. I love the fact that there are no standard baseball field dimensions. Every field is unique.

by Adam Peterson on Sep 8, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

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