Twinkie Town 2011 Top 50...Prospect #30!
With 42% (81) of the 193 votes cast in our three player run-off, Brian Dozier captured the Twenty-Ninth spot in this year's poll. Nikko Goodrum was second with 65 votes while Tom Stuifbergen was third. I expect an invite to spring training was the difference to a lot of you when deciding between these three.
Matt Bashore was eliminated in the last round so we will be adding two players. Both were in this year's voting previously, Danny Rams and Bobby Lanigan. We now have selected a player at every position except catcher. Will Rams become the first catcher to make it into this year's ranking?
Rams is a former second round pick who was Beloit's leader in several hitting categories last season, including home runs (16), runs batted in (68), and doubles (28). He did that in only 401 at bats while hitting .243/.310/.450. Lanigan began his season with the Ft. Myers Miracle where he was 3-1 with a 2.15 ERA and 0.92 WHIP in ten starts (54.1 innings) with 41 strikeouts and 7 walks. Lanigan missed some time with an injury and later moved up to New Britain. While with the Rock Cats, he made eight starts with a 2-3 record and 5.23 ERA in 41.1 innings with 17 strikeouts and 12 walks.
Please continue to leave comments about who you are voting for and why. Also, let me know who you think I have missed and should be added in the coming rounds.
I will be travelling tomorrow so this round will remain open through Noon, Sunday. Future rounds will close at noon each day rather than 3pm as has been the case.
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I went Polanco again.
But there are a couple of good options on this vote I think. Goodrum has been near the top of the voting for a few rounds.
+1
…With Dozier off the board, I got down to Stuifbergen, Goodrum and Polanco. I know all the excitement about Goodrum’s athleticism. But I went with Polanco who hit .223/.299/.301 compared with Goodrum hitting .161/.219/.194 on the same GCL Twins team. Add to Polanco’s credit that he was playing in that league a few days after his 17th birthday, while Goodrum was about a year and a half older. Add to Polanco’s credit that he is considered one of the best defensive shortstops the Twins have gotten in a long time and in my opinion, he is the better pick.
I agree roger13
With Dozier gone, I too like Stuif…
by baseballlove on Jan 14, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
For those that site Goodrum as a second round
draft pick, he now has a partner in Rams. So, why is Goodrum better then Rams? Rams has proven he’s got Big League Power. By the way I went with Pugh, Rams next then Darnell and Stuif. By the way Roger this is a great way to spend the winter months. My thanks to all for taking part in the Poll. This would not be much fun if we all agreed with each other.
I went with Rams.
I don’t really split hairs too much here, as I don’t see a for sure guy for this area of the list. I don’t really agree with Goodrum—to me he is Reggie Williams (did I get that name right?) Until he actually does something. I also agree with Roger’s comments about Polanco—I voted for him previously.
I just voted for Rams because I think he is deserving in this area of the list.
By the way, is Delbinson Romero still around? Just asking.
Stuif again
Though he’s got some ground to make up in the early going…
I know this has nothing to do with Twins prospects
But has anyone counted how many early picks the Rays will have next year? 11 in the first 89 picks with 9 in the first 60! Three first rounds, six supp round picks, and 2 secound round picks. Freaking nuts.
They run a great ship
They don’t have nearly the resources their competitors do so they find a way to make it work. Being in such a position forces them to manage the roster in a unique way. They will not have sustained runs of dominance (I expect them to be around .500 this year), but they will ramp it back up for a nice 4-5 year run again in 2012 or 2013 once their next crop of pitching has a year or two at the ML level. The cycle will continue to repeat itself. Brilliant really.
by PinkiePinkerton on Jan 14, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
and that's actually wrong...
it’s actually 12 in the top 90, 10 in the top 60. i’ve been keeping a running chart of the draft order and updating it. Once the SD Qualls deal is official, the Rays will have:
Their own picks in the first 2 rounds.
2 picks from Balfour.
2 picks from Soriano.
2 picks from Crawford.
1 pick from Brad Hawpe
1 pick from Randy Choate
1 pick from Chad Qualls
1 pick from Joaquin Benoit
That’s 12. They’re going to DOMINATE this draft. Which is the best in a decade.
Chad Qualls has not signed yet, unless I missed it, so it is currently just 11
He is close to a deal with SD but close is not done. So….they have 11 but will have 12 once the deal is done.
Stuifbergen again
Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD
Comments on Seth's list
Nishioka is far too low at 15 – he should be ahead of Wimmers at the absolute lowest.
I like that he’s downgraded the relief prospects. I think he’s still too high on Parmelee.
Daniel Ortiz is in his top 20. So is Lanigan. I’m not sure what they have to offer that is better than Roberts or Stuifbergen respectively.
Rene Tosoni is too low on his list. Brett Jacobson didn’t make the list.
Overall though I think his list is better than ours. We have tended to overrate players in the system a few years or players acquired by trade. We’ve underrated players who only recently were drafted and players signed internationally with little fanfare.
We’ve underrated players who only recently were drafted
I agree. Logan Darnell only has stats for 34.2 innings ( 11 games, 5 starts) in Elizabethton. I think he will be ranked higher next year compared to this year (possibly 35-45 this year?).
No, Seth's list isn't better than ours!
And ours isn’t better than his! But that is my opinion and I expect some will share your view that Seth’s is better.
Ours is different however, in that it is the result of many opinions with placement of players somewhat decided by comments and discussion amongst you in the comment section. Ours is also the only one that I know of that is established by a process such as we use. For me, that makes ours special!
With tremendous respect for Seth, all of these are in the eye’s of the maker. If a list is reasonable, no list is more accurate than another. After all, how many of the 50 guys we rank will make it to the major league’s for more than a few game callup?
As I pointed out on Seth’s site, I believe he had several good prospects rated to low. As you mentioned, one was Rene Tosoni who would have been a Top 10 prospect if he continued to hit like the first six weeks and wasn’t injured. An injury shouldn’t drop someone from Top 10 to 32nd, IMO. He had Bruce Pugh high, yet he had relatively poor numbers. He did that because of Pugh’s talent, disregarding the effect his injury had on his performance. Well, on those two I believe he wasn’t consistant. Another disagreement I have with Seth is Daniel Ortiz, who I cannot see being ranked higher than Tosoni. Seth does as he sees Ortiz as having a very, very high ceiling.
I tend to value relievers higher than Seth. If relievers don’t have value, why are we so concerned about the bullpen this spring? How many games are lost because of a blown save or meltdown in the 6th or 7th inning? As CMathewson has pointed out so often right here, we have to be careful however with relievers (Slama for example) as they can put up incredible numbers in the minors yet have some flaw in their game that will make success at the major league level very difficult.
by roger13 on Jan 16, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Nishioka is way too low.
My understanding is that NPB is at least as challenging as AAA, and if you just pretended Nishioka had been in AAA instead of NPB all this time, he’d be far higher on the list. At least top 5. We know some of the power won’t translate, but he still has a nicely balanced offensive attack for a middle infielder.
Did we have Benson as high (#4)? Benson’s ZIPs projection opened my eyes a little on him. (.232/.311/.406) If that’s about right, he’d be a decent outfield option this year if he was a plus corner or decent center field defender. And of course he has a decent amount of upside from there given his age and tools.
I agree with Seth's top 10, except for Nishioka
I’d have Nishi second. But after 10, I have lots of disagreements with Seth. To me, Seth puts way too much importance on whether a guy is a a starter or reliever. A guy like Hermsen is a marginal prospect in my book. He never throws harder than 88 with little movement. Maybe he’ll get more velo, maybe he won’t. Until he does, he’s in the 40s, tops. He’s not even in the same class as Bullock or even Watts. So I’d say his list after #10 is highly suspect.
I had lots of disagreements with our votes as well. For example, I don’t think Waldrop belongs in the top 40 because he’s not really a prospect. When 29 other teams pass on a guy, he is no longer a prospect in my book. I also question the vote for Kepler. I think his upside is enormous, but he is so inexperienced, it is too early to rank him as high as we did.
Like Roger, I also thought a lot of our prospects were too low. I’m not as high on Tosoni as he is, but I voted for Rosario several times in a row. Ditto for Dean and Goodrum.
Overall, I think our list is better than Seth’s, but it doesn’t really matter. It’s just fodder for talking about prospects. And that’s a great thing.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

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