Twinkie Town 2011 Top 50...Prospect #36!
by roger13 on Jan 24, 2011 1:12 PM EST
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PrintBruce Pugh picked up 56 of the 192 votes (29%) to win the Thirty-Fifth spot in this year's poll. Brett Jacobson was a distant second with 30 votes.
Everyone will return for the next round. We will also bring back lefty Tyler Robertson. Robertson had once been a Top 10 prospect in the organization before his injury and a difficult 2010 at New Britain. It was reported last fall that the Twins will take a look at Robertson as a reliever, with him pitching out of the bullpen in the Arizona Fall League.
This round will remain open through Noon, CST, Tuesday, January 25th. Please continue to leave comments as to who you would like to see and who you are voting for .
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There will be one change in the process beginning at Round 41
…I will drop the bottom five players from each round. That will allow me to get a lot more players into the process in case there is someone that y’all really like and for whatever reason hasn’t been included as of yet!
almost went for Beresford but,
took Guerra. He’s a young kid that I’ll give one more year to. Last year he was so-so
Damned internet's lack of inflection
I was just saying that’s why I voted for him. I’m voting for a player who’s ceiling is a Loogy. That’s where I’m at on the list.
Pitchers
I rate Lanigan, Robertson, Osterbrock, and Guerra higher than Jacobson and Gonzalez because they are starters that can be converted to relievers if they struggle in the rotation. Jacobson and Gonzalez are already relievers.
+ a billion
Robertson’s already being shifted to the bullpen.
I just don't get that
I mean, Osterbrock has about as much chance of being a major leaguer as Seth. Jacobson and Robertson will get opportunities with the big club in the next couple of years.
The whole starter/reliever distinction in the minors is kind of bogus. Most of the pitchers in the minors will end up relievers. They might get starting opportunities to work on secondary pitchers or whatever. But they’re destined for the bullpen. I’ll take the ones who are more likely to have successful careers in the majors whatever their role. Jacobson should be 20 slots ahead of Osterbrock on that criterion.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
The sample size issue
If you can do it as a starter you’re usually showing more than a reliever. You have more than one trick pitch, you have some stamina (MLB seasons are longer), you can get more than one type of batter out. If the stats are close I’ll take the starting pitcher. They will benefit from a move to the bullpen (increased velocity, less need for secondary pitches) when the time comes.
I get all that
I guess I never considered a lot of the Twins prospects as starters even if they started in the minors. Gutierrez, for example. Bromberg is another case. To me, a pitcher has to be special to be a true starting prospect (Gibson, Wimmers, Hendriks). Most organizations have less than five of those guys in their system at a time.
I expect the Twins to give Jacobson starting opportunities. Robertson too. But that is to get them ready to pitch in the bullpen in the majors. The other course is to give guys closing opportunities. Mijares is the last guy to successfully transition from minor league closer to major league set-up man. Crain did it before him. Bullock and Hoey are on this course.
My point is, it makes no sense to rank a roster filler like Osterbrock ahead of a future MLB bullpen arm like Jacobson.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
You seem high on Jacobson but,
you seem to dislike Slama and Delaney. Both of those guys had great stats all the way to AAA. I do agree with the others, guys like Duesing,Manship and other starters will get a shot before guys that have always been relief pitchers. This is one of the reasons I’m not crazy about Gut. Seem to me there are better starters that will become relief pitchers i.e.-Bromberg
by b1 on Jan 25, 2011 7:16 AM EST up reply actions
scouting...
That’s the big thing.. Bromberg is seen as a 5th starter type and a long reliever. He doesn’t have any dominant stuff, but he’s got 3-4 really good pitches. Gutierrez throws gas ,and gets a ton of ground balls. He’s got dominant one-inning guy written all over him. Jacobson, to me at least, is somewhere in the middle. I think reports of him throwing 97 were a little bit high, but he can hit 93-94 and working on secondary pitches if smart. Look at Nathan. He’s a closer with 3-4 pitches… Rivera is a closer with 1 good pitch.
Slama and Delaney had the numbers, but the “stuff” has always been in question.
+1
That’s what I would have said.
Minor league numbers can be deceiving. Minor league hitters tend to lack discipline. So they can be easily tricked by a funky delivery or a trick pitch. Major league hitters learn quickly and are rarely fooled more than once by the same tricks. To succeed in the majors for any length of time, you have to have good stuff. Slama and Delaney get by on funk and guile. It won’t work very well in the majors. Jacobson has good stuff. If he can harness it and control it, he can be successful with it in the majors.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
partially agree..
I like your last sentence there, c-mat… at least on a guy like Osterbrock. But on a guy like Lanigan, who has had some success as a starter, has a good fastball and all reports indicate he has a terrific slider. To me, he could be a very successful reliever. So, I understand your point, but as you’re also saying, it’s going to be one-on-on situations.
Glad to hear it
Lanigan is in my top 25 because he has more than one quality pitch and he has good control. The jury is out as to whether he can become a good reliever in the majors. So far, so good.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Guys from last year's list we haven't selected
Tyler Robertson, LHP – getting some support
Michael McCardell, RHP – I don’t believe we have had a chance to vote for him yet. He’s 25 and not doing well in AA. If he isn’t hurt then he’s hit the AA wall.
Matt Bashore, LHP – Injured, probably still worth a flier in the 40s.
Ben Tootle, RHP – also injured
Brian Dinkelman, IF – wasn’t really a prospect last year, is less of one now
Wander Guillen, 3B – really bad in GCL but only 17. What do the scouts say
Shooter Hunt, RHP – washout
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