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Twins Decline Joe Nathan's Option

Will the Twins tempt fate with the best closer the franchise has ever seen?

[Update, 3pm CDT]

No sooner have I posted this than it's come through that the Twins have, indeed, declined Nathan's option for 2012. From GM Bill Smith:

"I spoke with Joe and his agent this morning, and expressed our interest in re-signing Joe.  We will remain in contact with them as we move forward into the free agent process."

I'd like to see Nathan stick around in Minnesota, and retire as a Twin. But this shouldn't preclude the front office from finding as many talented arms for the bullpen as possible. No more trades for third-rate relievers. This is a lesson that's been learned.

Star-divide

Over at his Star Tribune blog, Joe Christensen states that "all signs point" to Minnesota buying out Joe Nathan's option for 2012. Coming off of a season that saw him steadily improve after missing all of 2010 to Tommy John surgery, if this comes to pass it won't be much of a surprise. Nathan's option is for $12.5 million. His buyout is worth $2 million.

All things considered, this may not be as cut-and-dried of a situation as we all thought it would be prior to 2011, and even into the season itself. At that juncture it seemed beyond doubt that, after missing one full season and struggling the next, the Twins wouldn't pick up the option for a pitcher who would be 37.

Of course, at that time we also had no idea how terrible our bullpen would actually be.

Last winter there were innumerable relievers on the free agent market of quality: Joaquin Benoit, Grant Balfour, Rafael Soriano, Octavio Dotel, Kevin Gregg, Koji Uehara, Scott Downs, Jason Frasor...and of course Jesse Crain, Matt Guerrier, Jon Rauch, and Brian Fuentes. This winter will be much the same, except many of the best options will be established closers: Francisco Rodriguez, Brad Lidge, Heath Bell, Jonathan Broxton, Frank Francisco, and Jonathan Papelbon lead the list.

So it's possible that the Twins may choose to take a gamble here, paying the $2 million to buy Nathan out and then hoping to find a closer for less than $10.5 million per season in order to shave some money off the closer position. It makes sense; it's supply and demand. Somebody just might be available for a bargain price. It seems like a decision based on the head, not the heart, which is where so many decisions went wrong last year.

Alternatively, this move is still a gamble. Is it worth it for the Twins to just pay the $10.5 million necessary to keep Nathan around, not just for his talent and stability at the back end of the bullpen, but for security's sake? Maybe the front office is hoping to find a closer in the $7 to $8 million per year range; is it worth paying Nathan the extra couple million to avoid the gamble, to avoid the possibility of not finding someone?

In the wake of the destruction of the 2011 season, I'm still going to say that buying Nathan out is the right thing to do. Hopefully the front office can find a few good pieces this winter, and hopefully The Closer (TM) is one of them.

My only caveat is this: if they do buy Nathan out, their replacement has to be in Minnesota on a multi-year deal. To risk letting Nathan walk is only worth it if the front office is realigning the bullpen not just for 2012, but for seasons beyond.

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No surprise here

And my bet is they resign Nathan for $7 mil or so.

by amiller92 on Oct 25, 2011 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Wouldn't trust Bill Smith

to organize a piss up in a brewery.

He’ll probably let Nathan go and leave us with Hoey as closer.

by Moonax on Oct 25, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

A good business move.

I love Nathan, but he’s not worth 12.5 million.

by Purpledork on Oct 25, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Good business moves are great.

But these are the kinds of moves that have gotten Smith criticized. He’s been billed as more of a business manager or accountant than a talent evaluator. There’s a difference between making good business decisions and making good baseball decisions.

Which doesn’t mean they both can’t be the same thing once in a while. I do think this is one time where it’s a good move for the business and for the team. I just think that people have built up this stigma about Smith as a “business” guy, and so when he makes these “business” moves people view them with more scrutiny.

But that extra $10.5 million is a lot of money. And it could buy the Twins two really good relievers this winter.

by Jesse on Oct 25, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to see how you criticize this

From either perspective. Nathan today is a quality arm you’d like to have for the right price. When he signed his contract he was one of the best closers in the game.

I don’t really see another choice. You try to keep him, but you can’t pay him like he’s second only to Mariano.

by amiller92 on Oct 25, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think any reliever deserves $12 million.

Even if the WAR calculation disagrees with me. I’d rather have 3 good relievers for that price than one “stud” with a big Saves stat.

by spanspanspan on Oct 25, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

There aren't many 3 win relievers anyway

And even fewer that put up those numbers year after year. Joe Nathan is an average closer at this point in his career, not above average. He’d probably be worth 3 years $16M. That would free up $4M to pay someone else (or two of them).

by DJL44 on Oct 26, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

And even he was....

….I don’t think the Twins are competing next year or maybe even the year after that so there’s a question of how much a good closer is worth to the Twins right now and how good Nathan would be in 2 years.

by MNPundit on Oct 25, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure why you think they can't compete next year

Just having healthy M&M should put them in the hunt for the division. Probably not beyond that, but still.

Granted, there’s no guarantee they will be healthy.

by amiller92 on Oct 26, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few reasons.

In the first place, Bill Smith. Second place, I’m on record here of thinking Morneau will never be the player he was, and should seriously consider retiring for his own health. Third, I think it’s better to focus on strengthening the team than chase a division title, maybe sacrificing key future parts along the way. I’d rather have a team with a very good shot in 2013 than a team with a decent shot in 2012 and is crippled in 2013 because of it.

by MNPundit on Nov 3, 2011 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Time is of the essence

Bill Smith has always taken his sweet time with the whole “wait and see who overpays” which on paper sounds good, but I think the opposite he needs to strike quick and let it be known the Twins are serious about upgrading the bullpen.

I’m not saying to overspend but for once go out there before there is a set market value by picking up someone early, who knows it’s possible that the crop of closers know that there is a surplus and we might run away with a steal.

I feel that if we wait we’ll get bottom feeders at an overinflated rate.

JIM JAMS BUSINESS IS MASHING TATERS, AND BUSINESS IS GOOD!!!

by MashinTaters on Oct 25, 2011 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

i want a new GM

I just have no confidence b.s. will make the moves needed.

by clutterheart on Oct 26, 2011 7:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good move - and totally expected

Use that extra $10 mil wisely!

The beard abides.

by Jason Kubel's Beard on Oct 25, 2011 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Time is of the Essense, But Saving Some Cash Allows for A Bargan

I agree that many of the higher tier free agent relievers will go quickly, but don’t forget about the late hudson pickup. That either fell in his lap or was actualy a good B.S. move (I feel dirty for saying he might have made a good call). Buy earlier wisely, but keep some cash available to pick up the “guy” that adds to the team. Small additions might not make a splash, but somehow they always prove to be key to success (but to be clear, I’m not advocating to get LNP back, unless they allow paying below league minimum).

by HammondTwin on Oct 26, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I've never understood Hudson's standing in the league

Seems like he’s be a good player who can be had for good value for a long time. Why’s he so cheap?

by amiller92 on Oct 26, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

For the same reason your buddy broke up with that super hot gal he met at Noodles and Company. I mean she’s a 10. Her numbers are sky high. But 162 games is just too long to put up with her goofy bullshit and now she keeps driving by his house and he’s pretty sure she tried set his IROC on fire.

by Brad B. on Oct 27, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

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