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Jamey Carroll: What To Expect

Did some digging into the Fangraphs stats for our reported new veteran middle infielder, Jamey Carroll, formerly of the Dodgers/Indians/Rockies/Nationals/Expos. He's put up back-to-back solid years playing mostly full-time in L.A., but what can we expect out of his age-38 season playing in Minneapolis next year? Read on, you crazy diamonds, and we'll come up with some wild informed speculation together.

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Who is Jamey Carroll?

He's a relatively speedy (though not a base stealer) utility-type player who has played several positions to moderate success. Carroll has almost no power (career ISO .070) but his good on-base skills (career OBP .356) make his bat perfectly capable of keeping his glove on the field. Carroll is getting old, though, so let's take a look at the trends from the last few years to see how he's holding up in The Show.

At the Plate

Carroll has maintained good plate discipline throughout his career. In the last three seasons, he has walked in 10.1, 12.3, and 9.2 percent of his plate appearances respectively – very much in line with his 9.9% career mark. Meanwhile, his K rate has gone from 17.6% to 15.5% all the way down to 11.4%, dropping below his career 13.9% rate. Cutting strikeouts is not uncommon for players late in their careers, so it's not unreasonable to think that 11.4% from last year is closer to his true talent level moving forward.

As far as deeper pitch recognition goes, Carroll as swung at more pitches out of the zone (16.6/18.7/23.1 percent O-Swing over the last 3 years), but he's made better contact while doing so (75.2/82.7/85.8 percent O-Contact). He's also taking cuts at fewer pitches in the zone (48.0/51.4/41.0, career 55.0 Z-Swing%). Overall, his numbers haven't moved all that much, to be honest. Through his mid-30s, Carroll has continued to be who he is.

The one concern I always have about aging hitters is that as their bat speed slows down, they stop catching up to fastballs and have to cheat to get around on them, opening them up to abuse at the hands of anyone with a decent fastball. Carrol's never been an amazing fastball hitter according to Fangraphs' numbers (2.1 wFB over his whole career; season numbers have bounced all over the place), and appears to still be able to get around enough to hit Major League heat. I don't trust pitch type values all that much, to be frank -- Carroll, for instance, went from +6.4 runs versus fastballs in 2006 to -9.6 in 2007, both years with Colorado -- but I felt it was worth looking at for this specific possibility. According to the numbers, Carroll was fine against fastballs last year, and it's not like there's no quality heat being thrown in the NL West.

In the Field

I trust defensive numbers about as far as I could throw them if they were made out of Xbox taped together to look like numbers, but a cursory glance shows Carroll being average-ish at both middle infield positions. The fan scouting report agrees. Good enough for me; he'll almost certainly be way the hell better than Plouffe or [shudder] Nishioka.

Who He Is Appears To Be Who He Is

Nothing in the numbers suggests that the Twins are getting anything other than what it looks like superficially. There's a chance that Carroll's wheels will fall off at some point during a two-year Twins contract, like there would be for anyone you sign for their age 38 and 39 seasons, but he looks a heck of a lot more like a Luis Castillo than a Juan Castro at this point.

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Do we know anything about injury history?

Seems to be largely injury free the last two years.

by amiller92 on Nov 11, 2011 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Phil Mackey on twitter:

Jamey Carroll, 37, has been on the disabled list only once in his career — a 37-day stint in 2009 with a broken hand.

by archie2227 on Nov 11, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah ...

74 days. :)

It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

by SteadyDietOfCheese on Nov 11, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

He played 93 games in 2009

and over 100 games a year every other season

Remember, remember the seventh of November.

by Go Twins! on Nov 11, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but..

…he’s also only twice had more than 500 plate appearances in a season and only once played in over 140 games, despite almost never being hurt. He’s not an everyday player.

I doubt Carroll will end up being a starter, but given his experience at 2nd, 3rd, and short, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him become the 2012 version of Nick Punto, albeit with a bit more offense and less defense.

by dwintheiser on Nov 11, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose he could platoon with LNP.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 11, 2011 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Shut the f**k up Donnie

Sorry, just had a Walter moment.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 13, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Much rather of had him on a 1 year deal or a 2 yr at less money

But overall I’m pretty happy with this signing. :)

it gives the Twins some life and a #2 hole batter for the time being who can bat some lead-off and 8 hole hitter.

Yoenis Cespedes
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15469
^ the bottom video ^

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 11, 2011 7:41 PM EST reply actions  

I concur

1) Frees up time/energy/money to focus on more pressing needs
2) Carroll plays the Twins way, which is worth LNP money

by bl4ckduck on Nov 12, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Carroll vs. Nishi

I guess I’m happy with this. And it puts a good OBP guy in the #2 spot.

The beard abides.

by Jason Kubel's Beard on Nov 11, 2011 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

Ive always liked Carroll, so I like this deal

I hope they now focus on a starting pitcher and some bullpen arms.

Also the twins have signed Jared Burton to a minor league deal, if healthy he could be a good find on the cheap, nice pickup

by RaysOfHope on Nov 11, 2011 9:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Looks like it

Hasn’t played much for a couple years though. Injury?

by spanspanspan on Nov 12, 2011 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Ya he just needs to stay healthy

I like it, bring him into spring training and see what he has

by RaysOfHope on Nov 12, 2011 3:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

agree on Burton, i think

Yoenis Cespedes
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=15469
^ the bottom video ^

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Nov 12, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I see him as a bridge player until somebody else steps up

He’ll have SS for 2 years unless Nishi, Plouffe, one of the minor leaguers, etc steps up in which case he gets moved to 2B or around the infield. With the exception of Casilla (who’s not going to be saving the Twins anytime soon), all the people that might play short need time to develop and get major league at bats. I like this; it keeps some money free, puts some stability into the club and won’t hurt that much if it goes bad.

by Sportsavenue on Nov 12, 2011 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Dozier looked pretty good at SS last night

Nothing amazing, but he handled everything that came his way.

by spanspanspan on Nov 12, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Good thing Bill Smith is gone

Before he has a chance to trade him

by DJL44 on Nov 12, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this was also in part Ryan looking at

the fact that signing Carroll does not cost us a draft pick. If they were unsure that Barmes was a suitable fit for the time being and if he didn’t want to spend that much for Barmes I understand picking up an aging player who still is suitable. This is a good average fill-in which will tide the team over until a long term replacement… cough Hardy cough. gag

Remember, remember the seventh of November.

by Go Twins! on Nov 12, 2011 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

I think this is great

Carroll is:
- A marked improvement from current players
- Relatively dependable
- Inexpensive and low risk
- A great value in terms of WAR/$$ (he’s been worth more than 2 WAR a season typically, and we’re getting him for the cost of less than 1 WAR)
- Versatile
- Willing and able to play part time roles
- A good fit for the way our manager likes to fill out his lineup card

He will improve the team and play until one of the Twins younger guys (Dozier, Michaels eventually) can step in (we hope). Signing him quickly and cheaply means the Twins have plugged a big leak and still have almost all their money and the entire offseason to work on improving other aspects of the club (like making big changes in the pitching staff, figuring out answers at backup C, DH/COF, etc). I think it’s a great move from every angle.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
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~ Billy Beane

by AdamOnFirst on Nov 13, 2011 3:23 AM EST reply actions  

I think Barmes is everything you listed for Carroll

Plus he has some power and is five years younger. One thing about Carroll, I think his eye and OBP are overstated because he has a lot of ABs as a #8 hitter, which means intentional walks and being pitched around a number of times. Carroll had 17 RBI (!) in over 500 PAs. I realize that RBI is an opportunity stat, but it shows how little punch the man has. I’m sick of Little League alignments against Twins hitters (Punto, Revere, Nishioka) and we will see more of the same with Carroll getting plenty of at-bats.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 13, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Carroll's stats inflated from hitting in front of the pitcher

I just came here to quote this comment from nickstwinsblog.com, to see you made the same point. It is indeed concerning — very concerning!

As Nick Nelson put it:

“Here’s another thing that should be noted about Carroll: While his .368 on-base percentage over the past two years is impressive, nearly half of his at-bats came in front of the pitcher. If you want an idea of how hitting eighth in an NL lineup can inflate an OBP, consider that Punto posted a career-high .388 mark this year while getting a big chunk of his at-bats there for the Cardinals.”

Yikes!

by by jiminy on Nov 16, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

True

I didn’t consider that, even after watching LNP get intentionally walked (I think) more than once in the post season.

by spanspanspan on Nov 16, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

In the past 2 years, Carroll has put up a .379 OBP in the #8 spot

"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."

by John_Locke on Nov 16, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but LNP is good.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
#OccupyTwinkieTown

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 16, 2011 8:02 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Depressing stat

Of all players who played SS for more that 350 innings last year, only 4 made less plays on balls in zone than Jamey Carrol (.767) : Plouffe (.724), H. Ramirez (.757), E. Bonifacio (.761), and Nishioka (.766).

by archie2227 on Nov 16, 2011 6:12 PM EST reply actions  

Carroll figures to be just OK

I don’t think he’ll display great range, but he’ll probably catch what he gets to, make the pivot, and position himself well. This move has “stopgap” written all over it. I hope Dozier is ready to step up sometime this year, but Carroll will be an improvement over Nishi/Plouffe/Casilla/Tolbert.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 16, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

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