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Terry Ryan On Twins' Middle Infield

This morning on ESPN 1500am, Twins GM Terry Ryan spoke candidly about a few points of focus for the team going forward. It was Ryan as we're used to hearing him: dry, candid, and at times evasive when he felt it was prudent. Here are a few of the highlights.

  • Ryan noted that the signing of Jamey Carroll is not yet complete, likely because the physical is still pending. Barring something off the wall, Carroll will be a member of the Twins in the next day or two. Officially.
  • In spite of the addition of Carroll, Ryan stated that they weren't necessarily finished upgrading in the middle infield. "We're pursuing many players who are capable of playing in the middle of the diamond." I'm still hoping that the Twins pursue Clint Barmes and/or Martin Prado, but that doesn't seem likely.
  • Part of the reason that Ryan is happy to continue adding to the middle infield is because they now have a spot to play with. Carroll, Alexi Casilla, and Tsuyoshi Nishioka would take up three of the four Major League middle infield roster spots, while Trevor Plouffe, surprisingly, would be moved into right field. "He's probably gonna be best suited for the outfield and DH. His bat's going to play," Ryan said while discussing how Plouffe would be utilized. "Unfortunately, I think that the defensive side of the game effects him some when he does go to the plate. So I think the best suite would be to move him out to the outfield some, and maybe to the DH role if it's open."
  • On Nishioka, it doesn't sound like Rochester is in the plans at all. "We've got to clean the slate on Nishioka," Ryan said, and he actually used the world "mulligan". He did make it clear that Nishioka is far more aware of the team's expectations for him, and also far more aware of what it will take to be successful playing professional American baseball.
  • Finally, on Casilla, Ryan said he concurred with Ron Gardenhire in that Alexi is more than capable of being a starter in the middle infield. "Casilla should be an everyday player. He's certainly capable of playing second base." He did add, at the end, "We just need to see it."

On Plouffe - I don't agree that Plouffe's bat will play in the corner outfield spots, and it certainly won't play at designated hitter, either. At one point in the interview, Ryan admitted that the people Bill Smith relied on to help him make decisions (Ryan, Rob Antony, Mike Radcliff) let him down last season. Specifically in regards to roster construction, as the Twins were clearly caught with their pants down in terms of depth and vision. Believing that Plouffe's bat could play in right or as a DH displays that same lack of vision.

Plouffe needs his opportunities, but the only way his bat "plays" is as a middle infielder, where his power becomes a plus tool. Phil Mackey gave us four comps not too long ago this evening, in terms of the production Plouffe could be expected to provide, and none of them "play" anywhere other than the middle infield: Ben Francisco, Jhonny Peralta, Cody Ross, and John Buck.

On Nishioka - No surprises here, although I think there will be an added level of expectation for Tsuyoshi next summer. He's going to be familiar with the speed of the game, how it's played, and how he has to be prepared physically and mentally. All that's left for him to do is play and, hopefully, produce. I'm not terribly optimistic here, and still believe Nishioka would be better served playing everyday in Rochester for a month or two.

On Casilla - Alexi is out of options and has the faith of the manager and his front office. Barring any additional moves, I'm guessing that Casilla pairs with Carroll on opening day up the middle. Unlike Ryan (or at least, unlike Ryan publicly), I'm much more dubious about Casilla's ability to contribute positively on a daily basis. I think he has the tools to be a plus runner and plus defender, but his bat is league average at second base (at best) which means those two tools need to be reliable.

And we all know that Casilla has been anything but reliable over the course of his career. Unless we're talking about reliably frustrating.

In Closing

Ryan admitted that this team is going to be pushed for offense this season, so his belief that Pouffe can be that impact bat was something of a surprise. I appreciate giving upcoming players a vote of confidence, particularly when it sounds like you're going to be asking them to do something completely different to what they've been working on for years in the minor leagues, but it's a very hard line to buy into. If you insist on giving a player confidence, I'd rather see them just hand Plouffe the starting shortstop job and then let him know that it's his. That way he knows that if he screws up he's not going to get benched like he did last year. There's your vote of confidence, and there's where the bat could "play".

Still, it was good hearing a Twins GM speak candidly about the team. When I heard Bill Smith speak about the Twins, it was always paint-by-numbers and, in an effort to give nothing away, said nothing interesting. Hearing Ryan speak, however, reminds me of when I speak to Rob Antony. Both men are forthright when they can be, and they understand what they can (and should) be forthright about.

The Twins have some interesting decisions to make in the coming weeks and months. Even though I wasn't crazy about Ryan's confidence in Plouffe in the outfield, I'm still much happier with him at the helm of my favorite team.

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My thoughts exactly on Ryan being GM

and his candidness and ability to articulate the shortcomings of the team while still sounding like he has a handle on how to fix the team.

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by Go Twins! on Nov 13, 2011 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

I certainly am not sure that Plouffe’s bat is good enough to play RF, but I’m sure his glove won’t play in the infield. He’s out of options, so he will have to be on the big league team. Maybe he can hit enough, maybe not.

by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Nov 13, 2011 10:48 PM EST reply actions  

maybe...

Maybe the Plouffe comment is more posturing as the off season moves on. We’ll see. I do think he can be a good platton player out there, especially if he is good defensively.

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by doofus on Nov 13, 2011 11:57 PM EST reply actions  

like I've said before

Plouffe’s bat has upside, especially when he’s not trying to be a middle infielder. He can be a plus fielder in OF and that compares favorably to what we pay 10 mil a yr for in Cuddy.

by SpanFan on Nov 14, 2011 12:24 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

With the limited budget...

… I’d be fine seeing the Twins end up with Plouffe getting 400-500 PAs playing around the corners and as a bench player. If they’ve spent their money elsewhere, he can stick for a year before the team comes up with a better answer. It’s possible he proves he can be a useful bench player.

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by AdamOnFirst on Nov 14, 2011 2:40 AM EST reply actions  

Great decision on Plouffe...

…it is a breath of fresh air to have a baseball man actually making decisions.

As for Plouffe, he has proven throughout his career that he is not strong enough defensively for a contending team. That leaves right field/DH. His power production has increased for several years and he hit well last year…until his defensive problems got into his head. If he can cut it in right field, wonderful. If not, he will be gone some time next year and we will get an A ball prospect in return (won’t that be a nice change).

by roger13 on Nov 14, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

What part of this sentence seems wrong?
Twins GM Terry Ryan spoke candidly about a few points of focus for the team going forward.

Is having him in the GM office a step forward at all? Does he even want to be there? Mind you, I was among those who rejoiced to see the back side of Bill Smith…um…perhaps that could have been better phrased…
Anyway, Terry Ryan did an admirable job assembling teams on the cheap when Carl Pohlad held the pursestrings. I do hope he knows how to do it with more. The Jamey Carroll signing isn’t encouraging. Nor are the ideas of RF Plouffe or Nishioka anywhere. And as to the notion of acquiring another Japanese player EVER, I say

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win. — Yogi Berra

by Twnzfan on Nov 14, 2011 12:47 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not totally against it

but the problems I perceive are these:

1) His age
2) 2 years on the contract
3) Twins are paying him $6.75 M for 2 years, and Dodgers paid him $3.8 for 2 years. Did he really merit that kind of pay raise?
4) Timing – Carroll wasn’t exactly a hot property. Twins could have waited till later and maybe gotten a better deal.
5) We already have too many guys with near-zero power (Revere, Span, Nishioka, Casilla)

That said, I hope he is a decent addition, but with around $20 M coming off the books this season, why spend almost 1/5 of it here?

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win. — Yogi Berra

by Twnzfan on Nov 14, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think his age is going to be a huge deal

Carroll did hit .290/.359/.347 last year and .291/ .379/ .339 the year before, with projections of a .274/.353/.332 line in 362 PA this year. I’ll take that.

The 2 years I’m okay with as well. He can start at SS this year and be a good utility guy off the bench next year (a possible mentor for Dozier?)

I think we over-payed for Carroll so I’m not thrilled with this move. However, I believe it is a step in the right direction.

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by SooFoo Fan on Nov 14, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Nishi.....

Should in no way start on our MLB roster, he should start in AAA and EARN!!!! the call up.

Yes he had a broken leg, and yes there is a communication barrier, however I don’t think those two excuses have as much bearing on his lack of production at the plate, or his acute ability to produce so many errors.

People are getting their undies in a bunch over the signing of Carroll, what you need to remember is that he was signed as a temporary stop gap and at half the cost of what we paid little Nicky, who ironically they may still sign to come back to the twins.

Make up any reason that you want, but we still have 2 players who are getting paid a handsome sum for production that may not warrant that kind of pay, if it continues to go that way then the only way this team can improve beyond 2012 will require at least one of them restructuring a contract so we can pay some other talent to come in.

by Sixmark on Nov 14, 2011 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

Nick Punto made $4 million in each of his last 2 years with Minnesota

Jamey Carroll will make $3.4 million in each of the next 2 years. I’m no math whiz, but how is that half the cost?

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win. — Yogi Berra

by Twnzfan on Nov 14, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

according to the report

I had he was due to make 7 million if we kept him before he went to the Cardinals, either way Carroll provides solid defense with a better bat at a cheaper price.

by Sixmark on Nov 15, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm frustrated with the FO attitude re: Nishioka.

I don’t want to bury the guy yet, and it was a fantastically terrible season for him, but come on. Calling it a mulligan? That’s what, a $3 million mulligan? I only wish I could be so lucky to drop that much on a mulligan.

by MNWildcat on Nov 14, 2011 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

If he was my employee, I would call it a mulligan

Nothing is more demoralizing than having your employer publicly announce that you are out of the picture. He will still need to earn playing time in 2012. But it makes sense to give him another chance to do that considering their investment.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 14, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose this is true.

And I don’t think announcing that he’s out of the picture is the right option.

But I certainly don’t agree with “clearing the slate”. I’m inclined to side with Jesse and giving Nishi time in Rochester if that’s necessary. Make it an open competition going in, and if he doesn’t make it, perhaps a couple months in Rochester are necessary.

by MNWildcat on Nov 14, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I think you chalk last year up to a bit of unpreparedness and a freak injury (well, somewhat caused by the unpreparedness), and you give him another shot. I don’t think they should guarantee him a starting job (and it sounds like they’re not, given the positive comments regarding Casilla), but at the very least, I’d like to see them share the position or give Nishi a lot of playing time in the utility role.

Much like how I want to give Mauer one more shot at catching regularly before making a positional switch, I think Nishi should get one more shot to see if last season was an adjustment or simply a case of poor player evaluation.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Nov 14, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what’s up here.

Many of you are writing about how wise Ryan is, but you just saw him talk about Casilla, Nishioka, and Plouffe being key parts of the team.

Granted, he doesn’t want to start any personnel issues by saying their days are numbered, but still….

I’m glad to have Ryan back, but I don’t see anything that he said here that instills any confidence. More likely than not, another year (or half a year) with the Casilla/Nishioka/Plouffe experiments will be wasted time.

I like the addition of Carroll. A lot. Likely the Twins are stuck with Nishioka (send him to the minors with his major league salary? Why bother when it likely won’t help him play any better? May as well tough it out!) But Casilla and Plouffe can be traded for other minor leaguers (that’s all either of them are, they were called up too soon).

by Boot on Nov 15, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions  

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