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November Projection: How Many Games Would This Twins Team Win In 2012?

For the Twins to be the best they can be, they're going to need good years from their biggest stars.

There are a lot of valuables here, but two stand out: how many wins a replacement level team would win, and how optimistic or pessimistic you are in regards to next summer's performances from our Twins. That would lead any of us to, potentially, wildly different answers, but the goal of this exercise isn't necessarily to project wins. The primary goal here is to see where are the easiest places for the Twins to add value to their roster.

For our purposes, we're going to use 46 wins as replacement level. It's a decent middle ground between 43 and 50 (a rough spread depending on who you read), and seven games is a significant range over a 162 game season. With that in mind, I'll be assuming good health for our players and I'll also attempt to be fair in projecting individual player value.

Catchers: 6.0 WAR (Joe Mauer 5.0, Ryan Doumit 1.2, Drew Butera -0.2)

Doumit drops 0.6 wins from his solid 2011 performance, but it's a big improvement over how Minnesota's backup catchers performed last season when Steve Holm, Rene Rivera and Butera combined for -1.8 wins. Mauer's 5 wins is a fair estimate when factoring in good health, and is a mark he easily surpassed in '06, '08, '09 and '10.

Check out the rest after the jump.

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Infield: 10.6 WAR (Justin Morneau 3.6, Alexi Casilla 1.2, Jamey Carroll 1.9, Danny Valencia 2.0, Trevor Plouffe 0.8, Luke Hughes 0.5, Chris Parmelee 0.8, Tsuyoshi Nishioka -0.2)

The good news here is that with the exception of Nishioka, I believe the Twins have a good chance for every infielder on the 40-man roster to post value above replacement level. The bad news is that said value won't be in the form of an impact player. Morneau's 3.6 wins is a step down from his best seasons, but even assuming the former MVP's production drops over a healthy season he should still be a pretty good hitter. Even if that means he's closer to .260/.360/.480 than .300/.390/.560.

Carroll's 1.9 wins is a shade under his average over his last four seasons but also a knock off his last two seasons, where he combined for 4.7 wins. Casilla still posts positive value without quite reaching his mark of 1.4 wins that he put up last season and in 2008. Valencia I have pegged for a strong bounce back after a rough 2011. Plouffe's total may seem low but he posted a negative WAR last year; the production from Hughes and Parmelee is a combined 0.4 wins less than 2011. All things considered this isn't a bad group - it's just not exceedingly good.

Outfield: 5.7 WAR (Denard Span 3.0, Ben Revere 2.5, Rene Tosoni 0.0, Joe Benson 0.2)

With full and healthy seasons from both Span and Revere, the Twins have an opportunity to gain value off of the mark both players put up in '11 (2.2 for Span, 2.0 for Revere). Tosoni is the definition of a replacement level player, a fourth outfielder who won't hurt you but shouldn't be put in a position to start. Benson gains 0.3 wins from last summer, but I don't envision him getting the playing time necessary to really contribute big time value.

Starting Pitchers: 10.3 WAR (Scott Baker 2.5, Carl Pavano 2.2, Francisco Liriano 2.7, Nick Blackburn 1.0, Brian Duensing 1.0, Anthony Swarzak 0.3, Kevin Slowey 0.4, Liam Hendriks 0.2)

Minnesota has the potential to get real value from their top three pitchers, even if they don't have their best seasons. Baker, at his best, is a 3 to 4 win pitcher. Pavano has roughly 3.3 wins over his last three seasons. And of course the enigmatic Liriano has posted 4+ win seasons twice in his career, including a 6-win year in 2010. In a good year those three pitchers could potentially give the Twins 12 wins on their own; I've given them 7.4.

The rest of the crew doesn't have the upside. I've given Blackburn a slight bounce back after two tough years. Duensing, who's put up 3.3 wins over the last two seasons, won't quite match that upside given that he'll likely pitch out of the 'pen a bit more this season. That leaves Slowey, Swarzak and Hendriks, none of whom project to be players of big value. Hendriks, after his big jump last season, will likely be protected a little bit by the Twins who will want to give him as much time as possible in Rochester.

Relief Pitchers: 1.7 WAR (Glen Perkins 1.9, Jose Mijares 0.2, Alex Burnett 0.1, Lester Oliveros 0.3, Jeff Manship 0.0, Scott Diamond -0.2, Jim Hoey -0.4, Kyle Waldrop 0.1, Carlos Gutierrez -0.3)

Wins are a bad way to evaluate the performance of relief pitchers, but in terms of value to the team their production still matters in this exercise. I've given Perkins an extra 0.2 wins on top of the great year he had in 2011, and I've given Mijares a little grace in the hope he can return to be half the reliever he was when he was at his best. I also believe in Oliveros. Burnett, Manship, Diamond, Hoey, Waldrop and Gutierrez combine for -0.7 wins above replacement. Which seems about right.

Total Projected WAR: 34.3

I don't think this composite is too far from reality, as it puts the current 40-man roster (at least the players who figure to contribute) right around 79 wins. The bad news is that this total includes decent seasons from the team's best players which means, realistically, 79 wins is a best-case scenario.

But again, there is good news. The off-season isn't over, and there are some pretty clear areas where the Twins can add real, significant value. I'm not convinced the front office will find a way to add a significant contributor in the rotation, but a couple of reliable relief pitcher will. And they'll take away innings from those pitchers who would be taking away value. That's a double win. And on the side of the position players, a legitimate designated hitter and an outfielder will add multiple wins to our estimate.

Can two position players and two relief pitchers add 10 wins? It's feasible. That would put the Twins on the cusp of 90 wins which, in the AL Central, is going to put them in the hunt for a division title.

But that's where we go from quasi-realistic to optimistic, because it not only means we're counting on the front office to view the team's greatest needs exactly as we do, but it means we're counting on them to add quality players. Even then, should the Twins have a good season and be in the race for the AL Central title, are they built to be a contending team in the post-season?

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My insanely optimistic sarcastic response:

162!!!!!!
But yeah, I think that it’d e hard for us to be worse than last season, and I think we have at least a better chance at contending in the division this year. I think I’m cautiously optimistic for this season

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by twinsgirl197 on Nov 20, 2011 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

I was thinking that too, ironcally :)

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by Jessy S on Nov 21, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

isn't it ironic, dontcha think?

it’s like raaaaaain on your wedding day

"Nobody wants to hear me rap." - Joe Mauer
"The more toppings a man has on his pizza, I believe the more manly he is." - Herman Cain

by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Nov 21, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Pardon my humor attempt.

I’m getting a little hydrated ferrous oxide at this since the season ended.

by spanspanspan on Nov 21, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear Coca Cola is a good fix for that

(I also hear JV won MVP… I covet that man. But only as a pitcher, of course. Mostly.)

by ColossusOfRhode on Nov 21, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I admit to a man crush.

And with all that Detroit love, I bet Faygo works just as well.

by spanspanspan on Nov 21, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

"Red Pop" weirds me out

So unnatural… like the Twins winning 162 games in a season. (See how it I bring back to the topic at hand?)

by ColossusOfRhode on Nov 21, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh good, you ignored the double entendre.

Orange! Grape! and Peach! always scared me. “Red” I can understand. But why does the name of a fruit need an exclamatory?!?

by spanspanspan on Nov 21, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

! == Added sugar

“Red” is not a flavor, it’s a color. Although, arguably, anyone who grew up in the US in the past 50 years knows what flavor “red” is. And Grape! doesn’t taste like real grapes anymore than “Red” tastes like strawberries (or is it cherries?).

But the double entendre hadn’t occurred to me. Now that stuff is really going to disturb me.

by ColossusOfRhode on Nov 21, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

173

Your Minnesota Twins are the 2012 World Champions! With sweeps in all the playoff rounds!

JIM JAMS BUSINESS IS MASHING TATERS, AND BUSINESS IS GOOD!!!

by MashinTaters on Nov 20, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

Curse you and your response that is clearly better than mine

"I don't really give a f*** and my excuse is that I'm young, and I'm only getting older somebody shoulda told ya" ~Drake (I'm On One)

by twinsgirl197 on Nov 20, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll Lift that curse

After winning 162 games in 162 tries, the rest of MLB will forfeit the postseason. FOX’s executives celebrate since they get to show endless episodes of X-Factor.

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by Jessy S on Nov 21, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll shoot for

83-84, with average years from the stars (Which would be much better than last year!). Don’t think we’ll compete for the title this year, but you never know in the central.

by Black Metallic on Nov 20, 2011 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

85+

With best-case scenarios; Mauer, Morneau, Span, Baker….etc all healthy

"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will

by SooFoo Fan on Nov 20, 2011 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

I'll guess...

75, i can’t imagine Morneau actually playing the entire year, i fear he may be totally done. and i’m still on the fence about mauer, he may come back, he may not. if neither of them are healthy, 70-75, if both 80-85.

by TwinsTerritory on Nov 20, 2011 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

Such a wide variance for me...

Could see anything from 75 to 95, with nothing lower than 75 and nothing greater than 95. A healthy Mauer makes everyone else in the lineup better around him IMO.

by DJSkillz on Nov 20, 2011 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

Healthy Mauer, Span, Morneau, Baker, and Liriano back to his 2010 form, and the bullpen improved, this will go back to being a White Sox/Tigers/Twins division.

by Brady Eyestone on Nov 21, 2011 1:00 AM EST reply actions  

+1...

I will not be shocked at all to see us win this division next year. In fact, I halfway expect it.

by DJSkillz on Nov 21, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The Tigers have the edge with Verlander and Velveeta

But otherwise, I think the next three teams are pretty even.

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by cmathewson on Nov 21, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be...

all depends on Mauer/Morneau.

by DJSkillz on Nov 21, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

If we get more than 85 wins...

….well I’ll be more enthusiastic about the Twins than I have been.

by MNPundit on Nov 21, 2011 2:47 AM EST reply actions  

Artist conception of MNPundit wildly celebrating.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 21, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Need more players

At least one OF, two starting pitchers and a closer and we might have something. Would like to have Cuddyer, Nathan, Bedard and Harden and we concentrate on bargain bin relievers after that. A bullpen of Nathan, Perkins, Duensing, Swarzak and whatever they can get for Blackburn in trade is a good start.

by DJL44 on Nov 21, 2011 8:35 AM EST reply actions  

If everyone comes back healthy

this is a .500 team as it stands today

Still need a few more moves, and a lot of luck, before I’m thinking division title

The beard abides.

by Jason Kubel's Beard on Nov 21, 2011 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

As it stands today the bullpen is horrible

Glen Perkins and a bunch of guys that will be lucky if their contribution doesn’t have a minus sign in front of it.

by DJL44 on Nov 21, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

this

Good moves so far, but we still have a lot of spaces to fill even if everyone is healthy.

"Nobody wants to hear me rap." - Joe Mauer
"The more toppings a man has on his pizza, I believe the more manly he is." - Herman Cain

by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Nov 21, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Add back Cuddyer

And we’re at 82, which sounds about right.

Although I think Morneau can do more than Jesse’s counting on.

by amiller92 on Nov 21, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

I hope Morneau can thrive, even if only as a DH

But if I was building a team right now, I’d prefer to make Morneau redundant. Just in case. But he’s the least of the problems right now with the starting rotation still needing help and the remainder of the power bats gone or likely to be gone.

by spanspanspan on Nov 21, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

3.5 is a very safe bet.

His best seasons:

2010: 5.1
2006: 4.0
2009: 3.6
2008: 3.5

That just leaves ’04, ’05, ’07 and ’11, where he topped out at 2.3 WAR.

by Jesse on Nov 21, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Parmelee could start at 1b

Many have not noticed that he has been solid now for 3yrs. Benson could use more time in the minors to get the k’s down, but Parmelee is ready. Benson might have more upside, but not if he keeps striking out!

by b1 on Nov 21, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

How can you say he's ready?

He hasn’t played an inning in triple-A. Let’s not crown his ass yet.

by Jesse on Nov 23, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

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