State of Play: Monday, November 21
by Jon Marthaler on Nov 21, 2011 11:00 AM EST
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PrintThe Twins have now signed a middle infielder and a backup catcher, two of the first steps in everybody's plans for 2012. All that's left is to figure out who's going to play left field, right field, and second base, find one or two more starters, and find about six guys to pitch in the bullpen and you know what? I don't want to talk about this any more.
The news:
*Terry Ryan says he's not going to trade Denard Span or Ben Revere. All that's left to do is figure out where to put Revere, who has a laughably incompetent throwing arm and may be biologically incapable of hitting the ball more than 200 feet from the catcher. His speed seems kind of wasted in left, but his arm is so bad I'm not sure you can put him in center or right field.
*The Twins added three guys to the 40-man roster. The three are Tyler Robertson Carlos Gutierrez, and Oswaldo Arcia. To be honest, I only care because of the potential for future "Where's Oswaldo?"-style jokes. The Twins also outrighted David Bromberg off the 40-man, which is not a particularly big deal.
*The team not only re-signed Phil Dumatrait (albeit to a minor league deal), they've expressed interest in re-signing Matt Capps. Because when you have awful relievers, the first thing you want to do is make sure they don't go somewhere else.
*According to Joe Christensen, the Twins don't see Ryan Doumit as their full-time solution in right field. Instead, he'll be sort of like Joe Mauer - playing a little catcher, some first base, some right field - except that he's worse than Mauer at pretty much everything.
*Former Angels reliever Jason Bulger is on his way, on a minor-league deal. Bulger is the 43rd* pitcher the Twins have signed to a minor-league deal this offseason, on the theory that in quantity there is some amount of statistically inevitable quality. (*NOTE: Number may not be accurate.)
*The team's spending a bunch of money to "spruce up" Target Field. A curious choice of words there, for a ballpark that once had pine trees and then cut them down. The article also says that the park is getting structures to, quote, "stop unauthorized vehicles from ramming the ballpark." Presumably the structures will be built so that authorized vehicles will still be able to crash into the park at will.
Tracking This Week
- For awhile, it looked like Michael Cuddyer would be one of the first free agents off the market. At this point, he looks like maybe he's going to wait out the early-December winter meetings and see what kind of offer he can get there. And now that I write that, he'll probably sign later today.
- In the same vein, Wednesday is the last day for teams to offer arbitration, in order to be eligible for compensation. Again, the players this applies to are Cuddyer, Joe Nathan, Jason Kubel, and Matt Capps.
- The team may sign another dozen or so pitchers to minor-league contracts. We will have those names for you if we can figure out why you should care.
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Hmm...
the Twins said Friday that they plan to spend more than $1.3 million in the off-season to spruce up Target Field with … a revamped ballpark menu.
I think you missed the most important part. I chuckled at the “spruce” joke though.
Can we put the trees back?
I liked the trees honestly.
Remember, remember the seventh of November.
by Go Twins! on Nov 21, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No
In fact, they plan to “replant” all the trees within a 5 mile perimeter of Target Field just in case they were the distraction that caused the 2011 Twins offensive troubles.
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#OccupyTwinkieTown
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 21, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Also
I believe when they say they are adding bollards they mean they are going to make it look like an actual Target store now. They’ll probably add the red ball bollards you see on Target Store fronts.
Maybe when players are injured they can double as cart pushers…
Remember, remember the seventh of November.
They mentioned "revamping the menu"
Maybe they’re adding a Target deli. If they add a grocery section it’s one less stop I have to make on my way home from the game!
Hopefully there are no red jersey / khaki pants Sunday uniforms
Anyone want to photoshop up those?
by DJL44 on Nov 21, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
There is just one problem
Joe Mauer has to be a greeter or work in the office due to his knees.
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nEveRmINd tHE B0LlarDs
hEre’S ThE tVVinS
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#OccupyTwinkieTown
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 21, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think your caps lock key is having a seizure.
It may need medical help, I urge you to CTRL-ALT-AMBULANCE (its a joke my cousin and I have, it seemed to be a fun way to amuse myself by putting it on here though :)
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by twinsgirl197 on Nov 21, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Oh haha
I’m bad at these references lol
"I don't really give a f*** and my excuse is that I'm young, and I'm only getting older somebody shoulda told ya" ~Drake (I'm On One)
by twinsgirl197 on Nov 22, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
In other news: Pitchers qualify for MVP's again?
Who would have thought..
by twinscrazy_german on Nov 21, 2011 6:05 PM EST reply actions
Verlander's good at baseball.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Nov 21, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Why didn't we draft him??
Fire Everybody!!!
by twinscrazy_german on Nov 21, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
What's with the Revere bashing?
“His speed seems kind of wasted in left, but his arm is so bad I’m not sure you can put him in center or right field.” I guess you missed last years games when Revere played CF for 88 games. If you go to http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com you can watch the video of a Revere’s
catch that was up for a GIBBYS play of the year award. Seem he was making great catches every other game to me. 34 Stolen bases is the most sense Otis Nixon in 1998 and one better then the fastest man is baseball “Gomes” 33 in 2008. The guy had a solid rookie year. I’d say he had a better year then either of the M & M’s
I didn't miss those games
Among other things, I caught a play where we had to use a cut-off man for a throw to second base. I also saw a four-hop throw to home from shallow center field on which the slowest player in the league not named Thome scored on a sac fly. His arm is not for center field.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Also, he does not get good jumps on balls
A lot of the highlight-reel catches came after he broke the wrong way for a ball and recovered to make a diving catch. That happened a lot on balls in front of him.
He’s great at stealing bases, but his speed is mostly wasted because he only walks once every 18 plate appearances. You would think a kid with a good eye and small body would draw more walks. He doesn’t because he has zero power, so pitchers can just lay it in there and wait for him to hit it. Worst case, it’s a single. As pitchers learn in what parts of the zone he tends to make more outs, it will be harder for him to get hits.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Revere or Span
Revere makes more mistakes, but clearly seems to be the better CF. I realize he has no arm, but Span doesn’t throw one hopper’s to the plate like Torii Hunter either.
Clearly?
How so? The arm discounts some of the speed, and IMO, Span really figured out Target Field last year. He was taking dead set perfect routes to balls before his concussion.
Both being in the lineup on opening day...
My argument isn’t who is the better player. It’s more how would I pencil them in the OF. I’d play Revere in CF and Span in LF. Revere not having an arm is not a reason to move him to CF when Span has nearly as bad an arm. Runners go from 2nd to 3rd on Span as much as they do on Revere. A year of experience will benefit Revere as it had Span.
Wow, no.
They’re not even close. I don’t know how you can make such an assertion without trying to substantiate it.
+1
Not looking at arm strength, which is obvious. Span is a much better center fielder in all aspects of the game.
Span had a UZR/150 of 17.2 last year
Span had 1 error in 208 chances
Revere had a UZR/150 of 14.2
Revere had 7 errors in 296 chances
Revere is like Punto. Some people only remember the highlight-reel plays and forget the errors, plays that should have been made and weren’t but weren’t scored errors, and general sloppy play.
Highlight-reel plays are nice, but they are deceptive. Film only reveals what happens at the end of the play. It doesn’t say anything about what kind of jumps the player gets. The first step is the most important. A lot of Revere’s highlights came after taking the wrong first step and sprinting to make a fantastic catch. Span has a lot of those balls in his hip pocket because he gets good jumps on balls.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I agree with this...
but comparing Revere to Punto, in any way, is just evil CMath.
:)
Stats
I knew someone would bring statistics into this. I’m not trying to stereotype guys but younger fans get all wrapped up in stats and fantasy sports. Great. From what I’ve seen I’d play Revere over Span in CF.
Stats are deceptive as well. I believe Revere had 6 times as many outfield assists then Span. Maybe Revere has the better arm. Maybe more runners tried unsuccessfully to take advantage of Revere’s weak arm. Maybe Span takes to long to get the ball out of his glove after making the difficult catch look easy because he gets better reads on the ball of the bat. Maybe since Revere takes such a bad jump to the ball he is in a better position to throw runners out trying to take advantage of the situation.
Well.. Punto is a World Series Champion.
Well.. Punto is a World Series Champion.
Revere had 3 assists and 6 errors.
Span had 1 assist and 1 error.
Stats can be deceiving, but so can your eyes. Revere makes exciting plays due to his speed, but Span is a much more fluid CF. He makes many of the same plays as Revere, but he doesn’t need to dive for them, so they tend not to get noticed.
You can set up properly for a throw if you get there sooner. Late jumps tend to hinder this, unless the throw happens to be in a direct line from the fielder’s current trajectory.
The arm can be measured with a radar gun
According to scouts who measure these things, Span’s arm is not strong by league standards, but it is strong relative to Revere’s. Revere’s arm is universally known as the weakest in baseball among outfielders.
BTW, at least one of those assists was made because the cutoff man had a strong arm. I know this because I saw it on TV.
BTW, I’m neither young nor so I fixate numbers. I prefer relying on my own scouting eye, as flawed as it might be. But numbers are objective. Observation is subjective. It’s a lot easier winning an argument with objectivity, unless your interlocutor is mule headed. Then it’s just my eyes against his and we would need to agree to disagree, which is no fun. Not that I’m calling you mule headed, because I’m sure you’re a reasonable person who prefers objectivity.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Give me Span any day of the week
and twice on days that end in “Y”.
Recognition/route to the ball is just as, if not more important, than speed. Also, while Span is no Tori Hunter, he certainly has a stronger and probably more accurate arm.
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
Left field is plenty big @ Target Field
Revere can make just as much contribution turning foul balls into outs in LF.
Think if it was Oakland!
/Bert, begin drinking
+2
Revere is a 4th OF’er right now, and likely longterm too. I really think now would be a good time to trade him; all it takes is one team to think “he’s growing” and will become Span. I don’t think he ever will. And we have OF’s coming in spades that have both defense and offensive games. Possibly as early as 2013, regardless of what we do in FA, Revere will be relegated to a 4th OF role, at best, anyway.
Span/Hicks/Arcia/Morales/Benson all have brighter futures than Revere. And down the pipe there are also guys like Kepler/Rosario/Sano (we don’t know position yet)/Roberts, etc.
by DJSkillz on Nov 21, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How does playing 88 games in any position for a team that lost 99...
…qualify him as good?
"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series
by WindyCityTwinsFan on Nov 21, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Right
So anyone who played 88 or more games at any position wasn’t any good. Good point.
That's not
the corollary to that statement. 88 games on an injury plagued team doesn’t verify worth. That doesn’t mean 88 games on an injury plagued team disproves worth.
I would argue that Revere was slightly below replacement level
But he made up for it with his speed on the basepaths. Without him the 2011 Twins could have been mentioned in the same breath as the 1962 Mets or the 2003 Tigers.
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Butera played 93 games at catcher...
...and he's great...
Pal, we lost 99 games this year. I’m struggling to make sense of the argument above that extended playing time for losing team indicates how excellent a player is.
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by WindyCityTwinsFan on Nov 21, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
the statement was Revere can't
or shouldn’t play CF. Not how good a player he is overall or is Span better. As far as Butera, he is a good catcher. Problem is he hits like a pitcher. I think Revere is fine as a centerfielder, but he’s no allstar.
Put it this way
Revere is the second best center fielder on this team. By the end of the year, he will be the third best. By the end of next year, he will be the fourth best.
On the other hand, he’s currently our best left fielder.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
yep...
I didn’t see this post before I posted above; Revere’s about to be completely irrelevant right now anyway. It would be good to trade him as an “upside guy” right now to some team IMO, value-wise.
Benson will get his shot
at RF next year or late next season. The rest of those other guys are a couple of years away. Hicks will get his shot at CF in 2 or 3 years.
I think Hicks and Arcia both end up being on the ML club
in 2013. Maybe not to start the year, but at some point in 2013, and I’d guess sooner rather than later. And the Twins WILL sign another OF’er, so when they do, as soon as Benson is ready (I’d argue now) Revere is the 4th best OF on this team. We’re talking about 2-3 months max.
Hicks is closer than you think
He ripped up the AFL this year. He’ll start the year in AA. But he could move up to AAA by the end of the year (especially if they abandon switch hitting, which is his only weakness right now). 2013 is his likely debut year.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Not too long ago Sickels suggested they move Hicks back to the mound.
I think there’s a lot of unfounded optimism on him here. He did well in AFL, but he really hasn’t shown anything in a full season.
disagree...
guys with his tools AND extremely good plate discipline don’t fail often.
+1
Apparently, Sickels is not paying attention in this case. He’s ahead of schedule in just about every facet of the game, except switch hitting.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Sure they do...
if they can’t find their hit or hit with power tool against RHP, they can easily flunk out in AA.
by tobynotjason on Nov 22, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Sure it's possible, but highly unlikely
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Not really. (re: He ripped up the AFL this year.)
The AFL is an extreme hitters league. His numbers were good not great (13th in OPS out of 64 qualifying hitters in the 6 team league). He just can’t hit left-handed, extreme SSS in the AFL notwithstanding.
Even there, his .880 OPS vs. RHP (which is really good for him) would only have been good for 23rd or 24th place, and like I said: that’s an extreme SSS vs. his body of work elsewhere.
The thing is: Plate discipline in the low minors almost always drops off the map completely for guys who can’t make solid contact, which he has not been able to do from the left side (i.e. has not been able to do 75 percent of the time). As a predictive measure, K/AB is much better than K/PA in the low minors (since it measures your success actually swinging the bat in an environment when lots of pitchers have poor control), and his hovers right around that 25% red flag line, and has always been well into the orange.
That is simply NOT SUSTAINABLE. He either starts putting the bat on the ball with a little oomph or the walks (and accordingly the production) will disappear as a LHB.
(I am sure there have been exceptions [presumably slap-hitting guys who really can foul off borderline MLB quality pitches repeatedly with swat-swings if they choose until they eventually draw the walk], but you’d have to look hard to find them. Guys who profile as low-power, high-walk guys in MLB pretty much always HIT better/harder in the low minors than Hicks has v. RHP.)
They simply NEED to try him as a RH bat for a month, sooner than later. I mean, unless he/they really feel he’s on the cusp of something with the left-handed hitting, it just has to happen. As a RHB he’s got similar discipline, but he also has the power (he SLGd .678 right-handed in 2010 in freaking Beloit as a 20 year old!) to make sure it doesn’t evaporate in AA and above, where the pitchers can find the zone and do zone fear .250 hitters with pathetic ISOs.
by tobynotjason on Nov 22, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
He was also the youngest player in the AFL
And one of only a handful who played exclusively in high A ball last year.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Seriously, this means he's fine? A 30 game sample buoyed by a 7 game hot streak at the end and a triple-heavy SLG?
http://minorleaguecentral.com/player.php?pid=543305&split=3000
http://mlsplits.drivelinebaseball.com/mlsplits/playerinfo/543305
He is WAY above the 25%/AB red flag line for strikeouts from the left side, just as he was at Beloit in 2010. His ISO was .120 and that was triple-boosted, just like his AFL line. (Triples are over-valued by SLG/ISO.) Ignore this truism at your peril: Good low-minors walk rates evaporate against pitchers with control at higher level if you can’t hit with authority. His BABIP (a vital skill for hitters at this level) was a paltry .296, right where it was the year before. 12.3% line drives. (15.4% in 2010). A strikeout out every 3.61 at bats. No home run power.
That’s all really, really bad, and it strongly suggests the walk-rate, his OBP and thus his offensive value are about to go bye-bye unless he shows he can hit RHP. It’d be great if he could pull LH hitting out of his ass, but where’s the indication this is possible? .258 BA in the AFL? The odds at this point say he needs to turn around and hit from the side where he shows some promise or he ain’t going to cut it except as a platoon player.
by tobynotjason on Nov 23, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
If you're gonna start an argument
you gotta have a better comeback than Gardy says so.
I'm going to take my ball and go home now!
Gardy’s calling
by b1 on Nov 21, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
So Long, see you on opening day.
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Oh, No
the winter is when I get in my 2cents worth in. Once the season starts the team is mostly set. Now is the time to make exaggerated predictions and overstate points and pick the guys you want to see gone. Once March comes around, it’s everyone one the teams an all-star and Grady is a genius, at least for one month.
Joe Nathan
Has signed with the Rangers according to Judds twitter.
Ponder to Harvin for 6!
by Percy Harvin My Fav! on Nov 21, 2011 8:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Seems about right to me.
2-year $14.5MM guaranteed including team buyout for optional year 3. That’s something like $6.5MM/year with a $1.5MM buyout. If I were Terry Ryan, I would’ve done that in a heartbeat.
"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series
by WindyCityTwinsFan on Nov 21, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
Me too
I think it’s a bargain. He’ll be back to his old self next year. And he could easily maintain that for three years. But I doubt Nathan would take the same deal from the Twins. He wants to win.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
In that case he's late.
No real analysis here, but are they really gonna make it through the playoffs 3 years in a row?
Yes
If they can resign Wilson and move Feliz to the rotation, I see no reason why not. That lineup is murderer’s row. If not for Hamilton’s injury, I think they would have won it all last year.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
They'll make the playoffs.
That is likely, but the whole crapshoot aspect of the playoffs would give me pause for an ALCS 3-peat
Agree...
and don’t forget that their $80M/yr TV deal kicks in fairly soon too. The Rangers are here to stay, people. I like that deal for Nathan too; think he’ll be full bore this year and next and return to dominance. And I bet they successfully transition Feliz back to the rotation too. Guy is filthy, and was as a starter. I saw him pitch a couple of times in Nashville and hitters would just go back to the dugout shaking their heads.
I thought it was pretty much what everyone here wanted to get him for before they let him hit FA.
Decline his $12MM option and get him back for $6 to 8.
"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series
by WindyCityTwinsFan on Nov 21, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
I wish him well in his quest for a ring...
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!
QUICK – SIGN MATT CAPPS!!!! WE NEED A CLOSER!!!!! HURRY!!!!
"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series
by WindyCityTwinsFan on Nov 21, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
That's the worst case scenario
Lose Cuddyer, Kubel and Nathan. Keep Capps.
I thought everyone wanted Perkins
As the closer, what happened?
Perkins
is better suited pitching high leverage situations. Whether that’s the 7th, 8th , or 9th doesn’t really matter.
Unfortunately
it isn’t widely embraced. A strikeout lefty is best utilized in a myriad of late inning situations depending on game by game details. Grossly, MLB conventional wisdom says you save your best reliever for the 9th regardless the situation.
Lefties especially should be spotted with the platoon advantage
Pitch Perkins when the tough lefties are up. Doesn’t matter which inning.
Terry Ryan is interstedin Matt Capps.
Why am I not surprised. And I wanted the twins to sign Nathan. Looks like the twins are going to have an even worse bullpen next year. Woooooo!!!!!
by LittleLad on Nov 21, 2011 9:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
In other news
Teams that want free agent compensation will have to offer a $12M+ 1 year contract as a qualifying offer. Only the true stars will merit compensation.
Is that immediate?
Read that it was for next years compensation.
I thought so
It isn’t fair to teams who held onto players hoping for draft compensation only to take it away. Rumor has it, we could have traded Kubel for a couple of prospects. We turned them down hoping for a draft pick instead. If the league took that away, it would make our decision look stupid.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Rumor has it
That the Twins could have traded Cuddyer, Kubel, and Capps but did nothing. Instead they traded young for nothing.
Smith obviously lost his way
I’m glad they Twins had the courage to step in before the whole offseason became a disaster.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Its easy to say now that they should've traded them...
But at the time (the trade deadline) the Twins were still in the hunt for the division.
I believe they got as close as 3-4 games out before collapsing for good.
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
I think they all cleared waivers
The aforementioned offers came in August, long after the house of cards came crashing down.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I doubt Cuddy
cleared. Somebody would have put a claim in on a healthy, masher of lefties.
I don't think he was healthy in August
He missed 10 games at one point. Really can’t remember why.
"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series
by WindyCityTwinsFan on Nov 21, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Wrist thing right?
Thought that was after the deadline.
That's right
Hit by pitch?
"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series
by WindyCityTwinsFan on Nov 21, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
yup
honestly don’t care to google when, exactly, that happened. Ultimately meaningless.
He tweaked his neck, too.
It was in Cleveland when everyone was supposed to be back in the lineup.
"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."
Kubel got claimed by the Indians along with Thome
"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series
by WindyCityTwinsFan on Nov 21, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
And they purportedly offered us two prospects for him, which we turned down
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
not to mention...
that we were supposedly offered Jed Lowrie straight up for Cuddy at the deadline, and we turned them down.
Idiots. Lowrie would have been a perfect fit for this team. Could play SS or 2b (either one) and provide much needed offense in the MI, and even could have been a good insurance policy for Valencia at 3b as well.
Deadline deals will be more interesting with no FA compensation
There will be much less incentive for teams at the bottom of the standings to hold onto impending free agents.
still, I don't really like it...
I think it penalizes (or should I say “doesn’t reward”) teams that develop guys well.
Thinking through this some more
I’ll bet a nickel the Twins offer Liriano a “qualifying” contract, assuming they haven’t traded him.
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