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Premature Rosterbation


The Twins had their lack of depth exposed with all the injuries last year, so to avoid bringing up AAA players before they’re ready (if they would ever be ML-ready), I’ve mostly gone outside of the organization to plug the holes. Due to how early it is, this could end up becoming obsolete pretty quickly. A lot depends on decisions the Twins make about their own players and payroll.  However, I've gone ahead and made my own decisions.

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The Ones Who Leave:
As much as I love them, Cuddyer and Kubel will more than likely be more expensive than the Twins can afford.  Kubel would be almost affordable, but the Twins need RH power more than LH power.  Slowey, Mijares, Dumatrait, Tolbert, and Repko get non-tendered. Butera and Rivera are released or stashed in AAA.  Parmelee, Dinkelman, Benson, Hughes, and Tosoni all start the year in AAA.

The Infield:
Mauer and Morneau are, if healthy, entrenched at C and 1B, respectively.  Valencia may be in Gardy’s doghouse, but I like him at 3B for now.  Casilla has shown improvement enough to make me comfortable with him at 2B.  The only position left to fill is SS, which I do by offering a 3yr/$10mil contract to Clint Barmes.  Barmes brings excellent defense at a premium position while not being entirely devoid of offense.  Considering the “pitch-to-contact” mentality of most of the pitching staff, getting a defense first SS seems to be relatively important.  

The Outfield/DH:
Assuming Span is healthy, he is firmly entrenched as the Twins CF.  Cuddyer and Kubel are likely to be too expensive, so no matter how much I like them, I look to other options.  LF goes to Ben Revere, whose defense (noodle arm, not included) and speed should make up for his lack of power and relatively low ability to get on base.  Plus, he’s cheap.  As for RF, I sign David DeJesus to a 1yr/$6mil contract.  DeJesus had somewhat of a down year and would probably love the chance to have a redemption season in order to drive up his value.  We have Benson (plus a slew of other OF prospects) waiting in the wings, so there really isn’t a need to sign DeJesus long term.  This would also give the Twins one of the rangiest outfields in the majors.  Replacing Kubel as the DH, I have Vladimir Guerrero on 1yr/$7mil contract.  He may be getting older, but he can still hit and provides the RH power threat the Twins lose with Cuddyer leaving.

The Bench:
Replacing the overmatched Butera is Ramon Hernandez on a 1yr/$3mil contract.  The Twins have already committed $6.25mil over the next two years to Nishioka, and I’m not ready to give up on him yet.  I almost wonder if he might benefit from starting the year in AAA, but for now, I left him in the majors.  Trevor Plouffe has nothing left to prove in AAA, but his success has yet to translate to the majors.  The Twins have been trying him as somewhat of a utility player, which gives him a little more value.  This leaves one spot remaining on the bench.  I decided to go with Jonny Gomes on a 1yr/$1mil.  He’s cheap and he just destroys LHP. Seriously, he has a .282/.375/.501 career line against lefties including .311/.407/.456 last year, as opposed to a .224/.306/.427 career line against righties.  

The Starters:
With limited funds, starting pitching gets little upgrading.  Baker and Liriano still have great stuff, though both have suffered through injury and inconsistency.  Pavano is consistent, though expensive.  Blackburn never should have been given his contract, but since it’s there, he gets a spot.  He actually pitched extremely well in May (6 starts, 3-0 42.2 IP, 24K/12BB, 2.53 ERA, 1.10 WHIP) and though I don’t expect him to pitch anywhere close to that level year-round, with what I hope is an improved defense, he could actually pitch close to Pavano-like numbers.  The last starting spot is tricky, since there’s no money left to pursue a FA starter.  I wanted Gibson to be ready to take this spot, but since that can’t happen, I had to look elsewhere.  Most likely, I would hold auditions for the final spot during spring training.  Candidates would be Anthony Swarzak, who pitched somewhat effectively both as a starter and out of the bullpen this season; Chuck James, who pitched well at AAA and in 9.1 relief innings for the Twins before giving up 4ER in his last appearance (at Texas in a 20-6 loss, so it almost doesn’t count); Scott Diamond, who did not look impressive in a 7-game stint with the Twins late in the season; and Jeff Manship.  Initially, we’ll give the edge to Swarzak.

The Relievers:
The bullpen was a mess last year, but with so much money tied up in Mauer, Morneau, and the starters, I had to get a little creative.  After Nathan’s buyout, I resign him to a 1yr/$6mil deal.  Don’t look at the overall numbers.  Look at his numbers after he came back from his midseason DL trip.  I love Glen Perkins, but I’d prefer to keep him as a setup guy.  Duensing moves back to the bullpen to provide more of a lefty specialist.  Here’s where it gets interesting.  I give Dan Wheeler a 2yr/$4mil deal as a right-handed reliever to pair with Duensing.  I bring back Jon Rauch after a down year in Toronto on another 2yr/$4mil deal.  Then the remaining 2 spots go to in house options.  Candidates would include any of the SP candidates who don’t win the starting spot; Anthony Slama, who has had great success at every level, somehow without sparking the Twins’ interest, Lester Oliveros; Kyle Waldrop; Carlos Gutierrez; and Cole Devries.  My picks at this time would be Slama and James.

This would yield a payroll around right around $105mil.  If the Twins were willing to increase that number a little, they could go after a starting pitcher, or pay to keep Cuddyer, pushing Revere to the bench.   Assuming neither of those happen, our lineup would look something like:

CF – Span
RF – DeJesus
C – Mauer
DH – Guerrero
1B – Morneau
3B – Valencia
SS – Barmes
2B – Casilla
LF – Revere

Be – Ramon Hernandez
Be – Trevor Plouffe
Be – Tsuyoshi Nishioka
Be – Jonny Gomes

The pitching staff would look like:

SP – Scott Baker
SP – Francisco Liriano
SP – Carl Pavano
SP – Nick Blackburn
SP – Anthony Swarzak

CP – Joe Nathan
SU – Glen Perkins
RP – Brian Duensing
RP – Dan Wheeler
RP – Jon Rauch
RP – Anthony Slama
LR – Chuck James

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not bad, not bad

The only beef I have is that from what we hear about clubhouse presence, Rauch will never ever be brought back. I don’t mind having him from a performance perspective at all, but my preference for rosterbation is to stay reality-based so I’d replace Rauch with some other RHP for the pen.

Good call on Gomes; I like that a lot.

Nishi I think needs to go to AAA and figure out how to hit from at least one side of the plate. He was absolutely lost in MLB last year.

Vlad: eh, sure, on a 1-year deal. I personally don’t think he has that much left in the tank, but there are worse ways to fill a roster spot. I’d rather see someone else who can play OF there to be the other half of the 4th OF platoon with Gomes.

by ravenfly on Nov 3, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Rauch's clubhouse presence is somewhat overblown.

Plus, even if it were true that that was why they let him go, he had been removed from the closer spot without having performed that poorly, so it might be somewhat justified.

However, if you don’t think he would come back (or that the Twins would want him back), would Octavio Dotel be an acceptable alternative? I don’t know about his attitude or clubhouse presence, but he doesn’t have a history with the Twins. He’s also a little less consistent, but he has higher upside.

by Caleb A on Nov 3, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently ...

The Twins contacted Toronto about Rauch last July when the Twins were still flirting with contention. If that is true then they must be willing to bring him back.

by .mnqwerd on Nov 3, 2011 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would not give Vlad $7 million

The team has too many other holes to give that much money to a guy who is only going to DH and is in the downside of his career. I also doubt that Slama will be back since he is a FA and the Twins haven’t really been interested in using him in the past. Do like Barmes, DeJesus, and Hernandez. Still think they would need another SP.

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by John_Locke on Nov 3, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I didn't really want to give him that much,

but I’m not great on predicting how much players will go for. I pretty much went for what they got this year +/- $1mil. Of all the options, he seemed to be the one with the fewest question marks.

by Caleb A on Nov 3, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

ditto

I’d spend $ on a starter way before we sign a washed up hitter- even tho Vladdy is one of my favorite players of all time. I like Barmes but I’d rather give Plouffe a shot in Right over signing DeJesus- Plouffe should have plenty of range and arm to play good outfield D plus his bat has major power and upside. Last point is that if we add another starter that moves a starter arm to the pen where it prolly always belonged…

by SpanFan on Nov 3, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The starting rotation is ugly

Really ugly. Down year from Pavano and suddenly 60% of your rotation is terrible.

by archie2227 on Nov 3, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

True

Unfortunately, I don’t have a lot of control over that, as 3 of them are locked in, and the one who isn’t is one that I want. I could have done more with the 5th spot, but I’m going with a budget of $105mil, so I spent that money elsewhere.

by Caleb A on Nov 3, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like most of your moves.

You addressed some big needs, and did it affordably. I like Gomes, who’s one of my potential targets. I like Barmes, and DeJesus. I also like that you made it a priority to address the bullpen.

Hernandez I worry about, because of he FA status.He’s Type A. If he’s offered arb and declines, he’s not worth a draft pick.

Finally, I worry about the rotation, too.

I need to get my blueprint together.

by Jesse on Nov 3, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't realize Hernandez was Type A.

If they offer arb, I don’t want him. There are reasonable alternatives for a solid backup catcher without giving up a pick.

by Caleb A on Nov 3, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like it but I don't give Vlad that cash either

I’d like to see them pursue Buerhle with that cash perhaps. Also, I know this may not be a great idea from history but I wouldn’t mind seeing the Twins take another chance on Edwin Jackson either.

"We're all in this together. Except me - I'm retiring because you guys f*%King suck, and there's no God-D@mned way I'm wasting any more of my summers traveling cross country with this group of fail. Bill Smith can suck my c@%k!"
-Actual quote from John Gordon via montanatwinsfan

by Go Twins! on Nov 3, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Twins need another SP

Pavano is the only one who can reasonably be counted on to be both healthy and effective. Given the injury concerns around Baker and Liriano, they can’t fill the remaining two SP slots with question marks.

by Stefa on Nov 3, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was part of the reason I attempted to shore up the bullpen.

I figure that if we only need to count on a pitcher for 5/6 innings instead of 7/8, there would be less stress on the starters. In my opinion, getting a couple of solid bullpen guys is more important (and more importantly, cheaper) than getting a top-of-the-rotation guy.

by Caleb A on Nov 3, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sign Slowey

You wont find any better for the 2.5 mil price on the FA market. Now, if you want to spend 8 or 10 Mil to bring someone good in, then I’m okay with that.

by b1 on Nov 3, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Slowey would probably be better than Swarzak

but realistically, are the Twins keeping him? I assumed he was gone.

by Caleb A on Nov 3, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Doumit at Backup C?

Black Metallic had a post about him being release by the pirates.

http://www.twinkietown.com/2011/10/31/2528198/doumit-released-by-bucs-back-up-catcher-of-our-dreams

I like what he can bring to the Twins (a bat that doesn’t make you want to cry yourself to sleep at night like Butera and Rivera)

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by MashinTaters on Nov 3, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I've been too busy/lazy to write my own offseason plan but . . .

One guy I would like to see the Twins sign to a make good deal is Grady Sizemore. I can’t see him getting a ton of money given his injuries over the past two years. I don’t believe he had any major surgery this past season so I could see him be primed for a comeback year. If we got ahold of him on either a 1 or 2 year deal it would give us 3 CF’s to play outfield next year. I think with Tosoni and Benson at AAA as well as Plouffe in a utility role the Twins could take a chance on Sizemore. Worst case he’s injured and he’s gone at the end of the year. Best case he returns to form and we’ve got an amazing trade chip come deadline time in one of Revere/Span/Sizemore.

Other targets I like . . . Ben Sheets, Ryan Doumit, Chris Iannetta, Clint Barnes (everyone seems to be including him), and any top level pitcher that comes available through trade (like Greinke or Marcum last year).

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Nov 3, 2011 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't do trades.

There are too many factors for me to even consider them, which makes my job tough. The Twins don’t have enough money to fix everything without a trade or two.

I have always been a Grady fan, but the Twins can’t really deal with another injury issue right now. I went with the safer pick in DeJesus, but I wouldn’t be terribly upset with Sizemore, either.

by Caleb A on Nov 3, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yah when you start trading too much in these things they get tough.

Too many options then people start arguing about what you’d have to give up etc. I just think the Brewers made some smart moves last year and I thought that even before they almost made it to the WS.

If guys like that are available it would make some sense for the Twins to make a move. We’ve got a fairly deep farm system so it wouldn’t completely gut it for the future to acquire a good starter.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Nov 4, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

I would take a flyer on Grady for sure. I don’t think the guy is even 28 yet. For so much talent, you would have to think the guy still has some baseball left.

by .mnqwerd on Nov 3, 2011 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grady is more injury-prone than Mauer

That’s my only real concern. Mauer’s gotten a lot of flak for his time on the DL, but a lot of it is because of his contract. I’m pretty sure Grady has been on the DL more than Mauer has.

by leo3375 on Nov 4, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like it

I especially like Barnes at short.

I’d rather retain Kubel than sign DeJesus. They’re both left handed. But Kubel has consistently put up good to great OPS+ numbers and he’s two years younger. DeJesus has been inconsistent. He is better defensively, but I’m not as concerned there. I think the park has a lot to do with Kubel’s UZR. If we had the dough, I’d rather sign Grady to play right and move Kubel to DH. But I worry about RH bats in this line-up. So I look for them to get a right fielder who hits right handed for down in the order. Kind of a Cuddyer light.

I also don’t agree on Blackburn. He’s a reliever at best at this point. They need another top-3 starter, and I expect them to get one either via trade or free agency. Swarzak is ahead of Blackburn for the fifth spot. The rest of the options are garbage.

As for the bullpen, I don’t expect them to resign Nathan. i think he’ll go to a team with better hopes of contending. Maybe he’ll follow Cuddyer and Thome to Philly. But they will sign a replacement. No clue on that one.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 5, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Did you have someone in mind for RF?

I’m assuming you don’t want Guerrero in this situation.

I agree, Blackburn isn’t very good, but his contract dictates that he be a starter. He also doesn’t profile well as a reliever.

Nathan, Cuddyer, and Thome all on the Phillies would be fun to watch.

by Caleb A on Nov 5, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping they can find a buyer for Blackburn

Maybe use him as a throw in, a la Brendan Harris (another Rob Antony screw up). Not likely, but that would be the best case. Speaking of Harris, we were willing to send him to AAA and pay his major league salary of nearly $2 million until Baltimore took him off our hands. So contracts don’t influence field decisions. Contracts are sunk costs. Why add insult to injury by insisting on starting a guy who gives you little chance of winning?

Most likely, we’re stuck with him one way or another. So let’s minimize the damage he does by limiting him to middle relief.

As for outfielders, I like Cody Ross, Reed Johnson. and Scott Hairston in that order. None of them will light the world on fire. But they’d be solid guys down in the order and within our price range. They all play all three outfield positions. So they bring flexibility. If we can sign a DH like Edwin Encarnacion and put Kubel in right most of the time, that would make for a pretty good lineup. I’d start either Ross or Johnson in left, and leave Revere to the fourth outfielder/defensive sub bench slot. If we had to settle for Hairston, I’d platoon him with Revere.

Assuming we can afford a free agent starter, my top guys are Mark Buehrle, Hiroki Kuroda, and Erik Bedard.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 6, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was looking at Ross as well,

but his price tag might be too high. All three of them have only been part-timers so far, though, which makes me a little nervous about putting them out there full time. Then again, having Revere as a handcuff would make taking a risk a little easier.

I like those three pitchers. Buehrle has not been terribly fond of the Twins, though, so I’m not sure he’d want to come here. I’d love to have Kuroda, if only for a year or two. The best time to get Bedard was last year, but if he’s affordable, I’d like to have him.

by Caleb A on Nov 6, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not too shabby

more realistic than Jesse’s so-crazy-it-just-may work plan. i expect twins fans to revolt if we don’t acquire a new starter, though.

by bl4ckduck on Nov 5, 2011 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

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