A New but Old Problem: Who Is the Twins' Designated Hitter?
For years this was one position where, seemingly every season, the Twins didn't have a good option. The position of designated hitter, in some respects, should be one of the easiest positions to fill because it only requires a single skill set: hitting. If a guy can run or throw or field a position or look good in a uniform, those things are simply positives. Just hit.
Chili Davis did his job in '91. Paul Molitor didn't have much power left, but he was still an exceptional hitter. David Ortiz, when he wasn't hurt or in the minors or in Tom Kelly's dog house, had his moments. But in between those guys, and between Ortiz's departure after '02 and Jason Kubel's breakout '09 season, there was a real dearth of hitters for Kelly and Ron Gardenhire to choose from.
Instead, Minnesota filled the DH spot by selecting the hot bat and by using it to give guys a break. It's part of the reason that Twins fans understand how versatility is important in their players: it's easier to give guys a needed breather if the roster is flexible enough that they can move around the field and, on occasion, DH.
Those days might be back. Much more, and a poll, after the jump.
There is a good argument for making Josh Willingham the designated hitter. He's slow, he's not the most athletic guy in the world, most defensive metrics are not kind when grading him out, and (you guessed it) he can hit.
But regardless of whether you stick Willingham in a corner of the outfield and try to find a DH, or whether you DH him and try to find a left/right fielder, the Twins are still looking at the same pool of players both on the free agent market and on their own bench. Speculation on the free agent market may shift to pitchers, at least as far as the Twins are concerned, so let's look at known quantities to see what we have. We'll assume that Span, Carroll, Mauer, Morneau, Willingham, Valencia, Casilla and Revere will be starters, leaving us bench options (who could play outfield OR designated hitter) of: Ryan Doumit, Trevor Plouffe and Luke Hughes.
None of those guys are everyday players. But could they be platooned?
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vs RHP |
vs LHP |
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| Player |
OPS (career) |
OPS (career) |
| Ryan Doumit |
.798 |
.718 |
| Luke Hughes |
.652 |
.603 |
| Trevor Plouffe |
.638 |
.760 |
Doumit had a never-before-thought-feasible .912 OPS against lefties last year (.802 against righties), but his career numbers say that probably won't be duplicated. Neither Hughes nor Plouffe have so much experience that it's worth differentiating between 2011 and their career numbers, so I just went with the larger sample size.
If you were into playing the splits, it seems Minnesota would be best served platooning Doumit and Plouffe, whether that be in the outfield or as designated hitters. Personally I'd rather have an outfield of Revere - Span - Doumit/Plouffe with Willingham as the designated hitter, as opposed to Revere - Span - Willingham with Doumit and Plouffe splitting time at DH. The worst plan would be to start an outfield of Willingham - Span - Doumit/Plouffe (or vice versa, since Terry Ryan has actually said they're planning on moving Plouffe into left, albeit this was pre-Willingham), in which case there really are no good designated hitter options available and we'd be back to square one.
Keeping Willingham as the DH also allows for that ever important positional flexibility, since Plouffe can shift to the infield and Doumit can catch or play first base.
Which brings up Justin Morneau. Morneau still has to be considered an option for DH, and at his best can hit both left and right-handed pitching. It would force the Twins to play Willingham in the outfield (which shouldn't be too much of a shock, I'm sure the organization didn't sign him with the intention of DHing him anyway), and would turn first base into a carousel involving Doumit, Hughes, Joe Mauer and, if the organization believes he's ready for it, Chris Parmelee.
Considering the resources the Twins seem to be playing with this off-season, and understanding the very real need for pitching with this club, the position players we currently have on the 40-man roster may be the pieces we have to play with. It's worthy of discussion, certainly.
How do you see it shaking out?
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You'd really rather
Have Doumit in the outfield than Willingham? Why?
He's just as bad as Willingham.
So maybe you DH Willingham versus lefties, when Plouffe starts, and then you play him in the outfield against righties, and Doumit can DH. They’re interchangeable in terms of crappy defense.
Is Jason Tyner available?
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Dec 15, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He hit .321 for the Twins in 2005 and .312 for the Twins in 2006!
He can hit! Go get him! Moar Tyner!
My thoughts:
Willingham will take over in RF where Cuddyer left off.
Plouffe and Doumit will DH.
Plouffe has been known to be an awful defender and Terry Ryan hasn’t been shy about it.
Willingham might be below average in RF but at least he can throw the ball.
range..
you gotta think that Plouffe’s range is better than Doumit’s or Willingham’s though, don’t you?
Agreed
Plouffe’s range is definitely better but… his arm. It’s so… bad. Plus he hasn’t had enough time in the OF to know how to approach balls. He’d be like Delmon out there.
He’s only played OF a handful of times in the Majors and Minors AND didn’t play winter ball at all.
My assumption is that he’ll get some reps there in Spring Training and he’ll never be an infielder ever again.
If he has arm enough for SS he can play OF
It’s easier to throw in the outfield.
lol
If by arm enough you mean whip it across the infield and hope someone catches… yes.
Plouffe does have a strong arm but highly inaccurate.
I wonder if there’s a statistic for SS where throwing in motion/on the run vs. standing still.
I’m almost positive ALL of Plouffe’s errors came when he had time to set his feet, stand still, and think about how to throw.
I don’t remember him making any errors when he was throwing on the run.
I’d imagine that with a throw from the outfield a strong arm s much more important than an accurate one.
by Brady Eyestone on Dec 15, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Remember Gomez
Plenty of arm strength – yet his arm was useless.
Be real, it is easier to throw from the outfield
He has one of the strongest arms in the system. His problem in the infield is he tends to rush his throws and gets them over there in the dirt. When you throw as hard as he does, it’s almost impossible for the first baseman to handle a throw in the dirt. This is not as much of a problem in the outfield. You have more time to set yourself and throw accurately.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I'd assume...
he’s working hard on fielding flyballs in the outfield during the offseason. Ryan Braun, for instance, I know for a fact was shagging flyballs at Pepperdine all offseason after his rookie year to make the transition. I assume Plouffe is doing something similar.
I hope he’s not done as an infielder completely. I’d like to see him in a super-utility role playing some SS/2b/3b/1b/OF, a role that we should have used Cuddyer in more frequently early in his career.
Plouffe
I know he was a bad middle infielder but the OF is where you move those guys, hardly ever DH… I honestly think he could develop good D there but no matter what lets not act like he can’t field better than those other two and that he can’t catch fly balls, I mean he is a Pro baseball player.
by SpanFan on Dec 15, 2011 7:27 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Morneau to DH
with his concussion history, I think the Twins don’t risk it.
Per Cots baseball contracts, Angels 1B Kendry Morales has two arbitration years left. I’m not 100% sure that’s true but if it is, I think the Twins should consider packaging one of our OFers for him. Their payroll is around 137 now (they have two 24m/yr contracts on their roster) and haven’t done arbitration numbers yet, so they’d probably like to save money by dealing Morales for a cheap piece.
I've mentioned this a few times...
wholeheartedly agree. Would love to see us make a play for any of Morales/Conger/Trumbo. Those guys are all blocked right now on the Angels. You gotta think they’ll move at least one of them, if not 2.
The Angels don't need any outfielders either
They’ll want pitching. The Twins don’t have that.
I would disagree
They have Trout and Bourjos but they also have Hunter (last year of his contract) and Wells (a bad contract). According to minorleagueball, they don’t have much OF prospects after Trout but have a fair number of pitching prospects to go along with that insane rotation they already have. A guy like Benson, who could come up next year or stay in AAA all season if need be, would probably be exciting to them.
Trout and Bourjos will roam the outfields for the next years to come. Wells isn’t going anywhere simply due to his expensive contract.
I bet they wouldn’t hesitate to move Trumbo out there either, especially with the crowded 1B situation.
honestly..
if wells starts out this year like he played last year, i bet they end up cutting him (contract be damned).
Conger? Really?
Conger was awful in the majors.
I sure would love Trumbo though… but I’m pretty sure he’s untouchable.
Morales is probably expendable after the Pujols signing… but I don’t know if he’s worth it.
Trumbo is an illusion
His 29 homers hid the fact that he was an out machine. And, at 26, there probably isn’t a lot of improvement left.
Sure
if he hits 29 homers a year, he’s ok. But if he’s not, he’s a bad player. If I were the Angels and I could potentially deal Morales for someone like Benson (or some other teams hot OF prospect), I’d do it in a second.
Not a fan of Trumbo, either.
His minor league lines weren’t spectacular. Power is tempting at all times, like strikeouts, but you’re right – if you look deeper, he’s not that good of a hitter.
Conger was awful...
in an extremely limited sample size (177 ab’s). he was pretty damn awesome for a C at AAA. And he hasn’t turned 24 yet.
Cuddy coming back?
http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/135671298.html
An OF with Span (or Revere is Span was moved) surrounded by Willingham and Cuddy could be kinda scary but the lineup would be pretty deep if everyone was healthy.
And
Some days Revere is PR/defense
Some days, Revere in LF, Willingham/Cuddyer sitting (especially against RHP).
Some days, Maurneau is out, Cuddyer/Doumit at 1B (especially against LHP)
some days, Cuddyer at 2B (when Gardy’s wants to punish a pitcher, or something)
Not a good idea
Why lock up Willingham and Cuddyer long term when there is a pipeline of OF talent about to reach the majors? It would also prevent them from improving the pitching staff even though the rotation is short a pitcher and the bullpen is terrible.
Or possibly just go out and spend some money instead of hiding the checkbook
seems dumb that a major league wants to hurt itself by not spending money and yet says its trying to be competitive
Bill Smith? Is that you?
I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.
by montanatwinsfan on Dec 15, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if they'd do this
but I imagine, if they did, the thinking would be something like this:
1) the M&Ms are healthy enough for another run at the central so lets upgrade our offense which was insanely bad last year or
2) Cuddy is Morneau insurance at 1B or
3) They’d trade one of Span/Revere and worry about finding a fulltime place for Benson after this season.
I choose you, number 2!
Although Hughes plays 1B too.
Why do we even talk about lefty/righty splits with Gardy as the manager?
Everyone knows he thinks he can get more out of certain players if he puts them in the lineup 6 days a week.
It was tough watching Jacque Jones go 1-27 with 12 K and 0 BB against Mark Buehrle.
I forsee an outfield of...
Revere in left, Span in center, and Plouffe in right.
Willingham is the regular DH but could also platoon in LF/RF (sparingly).
Position players:
Mauer C/1B/DH/RF
Morneau 1B/DH
Carroll MI
Casilla MI
Valencia 3B
Plouffe RF/MI
Span CF
Revere LF/CF
Willingham DH/LF/RF/1B
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
there's too many other shuffling parts at DH...
chiefly Morneau from the sounds of it. So I think we’ll be seeing an awful lot of Willingham in the outfield. Hopefully Benson is ready sooner rather than later and we can have Benson/Span playing regularly alongside him.
Revere shouldn’t be an everyday player until he learns to take some walks.
by Brady Eyestone on Dec 16, 2011 2:13 AM EST up reply actions

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