Assessing Cuddyer’s place in Twins history
Did you know only 11 men have played more games wearing a Twins uniform than Michael Cuddyer?
Neither did I.
Given the news today, it appears we’ve seen the end of Cuddyer’s 11-season career with the Minnesota Twins, and his 14-year tenure with the Twins organization. Michael Cuddyer will leave Minnesota as one of the more popular players in Twins history, joining Joe Nathan as long-time fan favorites that have hung up their Twins jerseys this off-season.
Cuddyer’s appeal to fans is easy to explain – he is a well-regarded clubhouse presence, brings a strong work ethic and embodies the idea of Minnesota Nice. He arrived on the scene just as the Twins became relevant again, and has been a regular contributor throughout the team’s recent decade of success. And let us not forget the dimples. Oh man, the dimples.
During his 11 seasons with the club, Cuddyer left his mark on the Twins record books. After the jump, we’ll take a look at where Cuddyer ranks on some of the team’s all-time leaderboards:
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Total |
All-Time Twins Rank |
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Games Played |
1139 |
12th |
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Hits |
1106 |
10th |
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2B |
239 |
7th |
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HR |
141 |
10th |
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XBH |
415 |
10th |
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RBI |
580 |
10th |
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Runs |
606 |
11th |
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BB |
411 |
11th |
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SO |
805 |
6th |
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616 |
12th |
Source: Baseball Reference’s amazing Play Index tool
Note: For this study, we’re only looking at games played in a Twins uniform (1961-2011)
Without a doubt, Michael Cuddyer’s lengthy tenure and solid production make him one of the most impactful players in team history. This is not meant to oversell his overall value to the team. Keep in mind that Baseball Reference gives Cuddyer 11.7 WAR for his 11 seasons with the club, the 27th highest rank in team history. By comparison, Denard Span has already generated 11.1 WAR in just 4 seasons with the Twins.
But no matter what WAR says, Cuddyer will always be linked in our memories to one of the best eras in the history of Twins baseball. And of course we’ll all have our favorite Cuddyer memories: the triple in 2009’s game 163; hitting two homers in the same inning in August of 2009; hitting for the cycle; and pitching a scoreless inning last July, bringing a little levity to a humorless summer. While far from the greatest player we’ve ever had in Minnesota, Cuddyer leaves as one of the most admired, respected and memorable players in Twins history.
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Looking at the picture
He sure hits the ball hard for using such a small bat.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Hmm...
I’ve heard that before…
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on Dec 16, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
HOF, probably.
No way on retiring his number.
"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."
Yeah, let's save the retired numbers for guys that are or should be in the Hall of Fame
With exception for Hrbek.
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
And Oliva. If Mauer doesn’t make the Hall, he’ll probably have his number retired when he retires a Twin.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I look him to be including Oliva
In the “should be” in the HOF.
Yep, this
Although, I’m not a him…
And yeah, I think Mauer has sealed his number retirement already thanks to the same hometown discount Hrbek got. (But I hope he has enough left in him to make the HOF as well.)
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
What about Kaat?
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Oliva gets to slide on the "should be in the hall" rule because he was a career Twin
Kaat spent his last ten years outside of the franchise, so by my rules (which count for nothing) 36 is only retired if he actually makes the HOF. I’d have said the same about Carew and Blyleven.
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed...
If Kaat gets into Cooperstown, they’ll retire the number. If not, then no. He’s the Blyleven case.
Carew I think would’ve been retired anyways, but his HOF case was pretty locked up almost based entirely on his Twins years. He just had to avoid getting hurt.
Re: Carew
They retired his number before he was inducted into the Hall, so yes. But his numbers were so good, that I think he was a lock for the Hall. There’s a little catch 22 there that Carew was so good that his number should have been retired regardless of HOF status… but a guy that good is a clear first ballot Hall of Famer making the exception on my rule moot.
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, though you can't blame Kaat for that
Calvin sold him for $500 to his arch rival. Poetic justice: Two consecutive 20-win seasons.
Both Blyleven and Carew were traded. But the circumstances of those trades were not as one-sided as the Kaat “trade”. Still, I’ll go with you on that.
And, by extension, if Cuddy had retired a Twin?
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I love Cuddy, but...
Cuddy is not even close to Hall of Fame caliber, so no. My guess is that only Mauer and Morneau of the current Twins have a shot at a getting their numbers retired.
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Nathan, maybe
If he had stuck around a few more years.
Oh, you said current Twins.
by spanspanspan on Dec 16, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
No... I keep going back to Bobby Allison
Corner OF-er, some first base, retired a Twin. And simply better than Cuddyer across the board.
I've never really looked at his numbers
Some pretty impressive stuff. Low BA but got on base on ton with power. Highest WAR in the AL in 63. Defensive numbers look ok, too.
"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."
Another Twins mistake
The Twins should have never gotten rid of Sain. Kaat loved him like a father.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Kaat has 189 career wins as a member of the Twins.
190 if you include his time as a Senator.
149 Blyleven, Bert
148 Radke, Brad
145 Pascual, Camilo (88 Twins, 57 Senators)
128 Perry, Jim
112 Viola, Frank
96 Goltz, Dave
93 Santana, Johan
I think you can make a decent case for Mauer in the HOF...
if he has just 1-2 more “average” years.
With 3-4 more “average” Joe years he will have been the best Twins’ player of all time. And he’s already got 3 batting titles and an MVP, in addition to being of the better defensive C’s in the game. I think that uniqueness and his position make him close to a lock for the HOF already, personally, despite not playing many years yet.
His number won’t be retired now. Of he stayed here his whole career, it would’ve been.
I’m going to miss him.
by Brady Eyestone on Dec 16, 2011 11:40 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I don't know.
If they won’t retire Radke, who knows what they would have done.
May Cuddy kick ass for the Rox.
Bobby Allison is a better precedent
He’s ahead of Cuddyer on all the franchise lists and they never retired #4.
And yet they retired Hrbek
Hometown relaxation of the rules, I realize. But you’re right, Allison set the precedent for Hall of Fame caliber players only. (I remember having a camp counselor who was old enough to have seen Allison play who was livid when they retired 14 before 4.)
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
On the numbers
Hrbek doesn’t belong up there. But the dude did help us win two championships.
Hrbek is one of the worst players in baseball to have his number retired
Willie Horton of the Tigers is similar. Still, that’s a pretty good club to be the worst member.
There's the guys honored because of tragic deaths, but point taken
I have no problem with the hometown discount for Hrbek. He’s a native-born Minnesota icon.
Plus as Twins fans, we tend to either overrate or compensate for that by underrating him. Career 128 OPS+ in 7100 PA, 35.3 career WAR.
I’d say Hrbek was better than Kluszewski, too.
Agree on Hrbek
I have no problem with his number being retired because he’s the hometown guy and he was the second best guy on the team behind Puckett for many years, including two World Series championships. Likewise, if Mauer retires tomorrow for some inexplicable reason, 7 is retired too, even if he’s not Hall of Fame (yet).
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
If Joe Mauer were to retire tomorrow
There would be an uproar regarding retiring his number. He was injury prone to the point that he needed several knee surgeries and was on the DL in almost every season of his career once he was called up to the Twins. It’s possible that his knees force his early retirement from baseball.
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He was also an MVP, a three time batting champion, and a four time All-Star
Not to mention, he’s the face of the franchise. But yeah, okay, nobody loves him.
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Just another greedy sports figure
No loyalty to the team thats been feeding his children for 11 years. Well, I guess now he is able to do it. Sports is such a joke. People get a life
Thanks for stopping by
Please come back in a few years.
by That'sWhatSheSaid on Dec 16, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Have you never left a job for one with a bigger salary?
I have… it’s not that I harbor ill will to my old company, but they couldn’t offer me the significant salary bump and we both understood that. That’s just how it goes.
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Most Over-rated Player in Twins' History?
Apparently Cuddyer is number 1 in team history for being overvalued by fans. He’s had two good seasons and a couple of middling ones.
I can’t believe the Hrbek bashing either. Good grief.
You could make a better case for Hunter
8 years of excellence >>>>> 8 years of above average
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Hrbek
Was a very good player. But he was not a great player. He played in exactly one All Star Game, for example. That doesn’t scream “retired number” to me except that he was key part of two championships.
I think that was more local boy sentiment than anything
I often look at the numbers and sing, “One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn’t belong…”
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Hrbek
You are right that Hrbek was a very good player. What makes him a Great Twin was that and, as you mention, his role on two champion teams. Do you realize how rare that is? It doesn’t happen by accident.
He was the best defensive first baseman I’ve seen too. I know Mattingly won all the GGs and I didn’t watch him every day but I did watch Hrbek every day. He was amazing. He made the infielders he played with better too.
"best defensive first baseman I’ve seen"
The Twins have had others that were better fielders but not much. Keith Hernandez was his contemporary and was clearly better than Hrbek.
clearly better than Hrbek
Not clear at all. I’ll grant that it is possible that someone might be equal or better and, certainly, some had better PR but Hrbek made all the plays, both spectacular and ordinary. He was never out of position, had a strong and accurate arm, always threw to the correct base. He was a vacuum at first on ground balls and bad throws. For a guy who took some crap over his weight, he was as good as ANYONE at chasing popups in foul territory.
I was often frustrated with his offense (I believe his extra weight hurt him on fastballs) but never his defense. He was a good base runner too, even after he lost a couple of steps. He rarely made a mistake.
Puckett was the fan favorite and a GREAT player but Hrbek was a leader on that team and key to its success.
Would Keith Hernandez been able to maintain the tag as Ron Gant fell on top of him?
I think not.
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Mient was better
But only just. Herbie was great. Softest hands I’ve ever seen over there. Still, his range suffered as he added pounds. I think Hernandez and Mattingly were overrated by New York hype. They were very good relative to their time. But a lof of young guys are better right now. Pujols, Youkilis, Kotchman. First base was a black hole for bats with no defense in the Hrbek era. Now its expected to be a defensive strength.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Disagree about Hernandez
He was the best of his era. Look at his stats starting double plays. The guy would have been playing SS or 3B if he threw righthanded.
When healthy
He was injury prone.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Hrbek's Offense
I mentioned I was often disappointed in his offense. That probably says more about me than him. Hrbek burst onto the scene with a lot of talent and potential. Here is is OPS+ compared to Cuddyer’s
OPS+ (included are seasons with 400+ PA)
Age KH MC
22 128
23 130
24 145
25 112 99
26 123 97
27 142 124
28 149 112
29 138
30 131 124
31 125 107
32 112 121
33 120
in words… Hrbek had EIGHT seasons with OPS+ better than Cuddyer’s BEST season.
One all-star game was a red herring
He started boycotting the game after a while. He enjoyed the three days off in mid-season to fish.
Hrbek is certainly no HOF-er but lets not underrate him either because he’s now a fat old man doing ads on TV.
293 HR in a much more pitching friendly era. Career OPS+ of 128. Top OPS+ seasons of 149-145-142-138-131-130. That’s better than Morneau.
Lets allow some nuance to this discussion. He was a heckuva good ballplayer for a considerable amount of time AND he’s nowhere near close to being a HOF-er. Its not “HOF or Buffoon”. There’s middle ground. :-)
by DavidRF on Dec 16, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Is it a boycott if you aren't really being considered?
I’ve boycotted playing in the All-Star game since 1982 also.
Morneau is a four-time all-star and his numbers don't match up to Hrbek's
I’m not going the “homer” route and rating him higher than he should be but I think you’re over-compensating.
Dave Engle was our all-star in 1984 and Hrbek was MVP runner up. Kelly got to pick the reserves in 1988 (Laudner All-Star) and Hrbek had one of his best seasons .
I thought you were a numbers guy. I know a 7137 PA, OPS+ 128, 35.3 WAR player is certainly no HOF-candidate but its a solid career. You make him sound crappy. It doesn’t take a whole lot of hometown discount to give him a retired number. Mattingly is at 7721, 127, 39.8.
by DavidRF on Dec 16, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
it's not really a boycott
If no one is voting for you.
And yes, I said he was a very good player. I agree with your assessment entirely.
But to be fair
I think he deserved more All Star consideration than he got, but like all good Twins players he was at a significant disadvantage compared to guys on big market teams.
i was too young to remember the details...
but isn’t it possible that a lot of votes didn’t go to him because they knew he’d decline (he wanted to give the opportunity to younger/other guys).?
Oh... I was talking going reserves, not winning the fan vote
Murray, Mattingly, Carew and late McGwire owned the fan vote. If anything the older guys faired better back in the simpler media days because it took longer for guys to get name recognition.
well, either way though...
the “votes” of the manager I guess. You’d think if Hrbek was in the conversation to be chosen by the AS game manager, and it was known that he had “removed” himself, that they would just go with a simpler option from a similar player rather than having to jump through the hoops of coaxing Hrbek to play.
It’s semantics anyway; I don’t really think All Star selections, GG’s, MVP’s, etc. are that great of a way to measure a player. Those decisions are all deeply flawed and have been for quite some time.
We have a club for great players.
That’s what the Hall of Fame is for. If retiring numbers is just mimicking the HoF (or what we think the HoF should be in Tony O’s case) what’s really the point? Retired numbers should be for players who meant a great deal to the franchise. This is why 24 is retired and 4 isn’t, despite Allison and Hrbek being very comparable hitters. And it’s why I believe 22 ought to be retired, even though Radke was never an elite pitcher.
They retired Trevor Plouffe's number already?!
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 17, 2011 3:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oops. Fourteen.
My proofreading has really been shaky lately.
Cuddy By The Numbers
Cuddy’s numbers are deceiving. Sure the ERA is a sparkling 0.00, but the secondary numbers concern me… 9.0 BB/9 and a WHIP of 3.00? Hardly worth 3/31mil if you ask me.
by PierreTheLion on Dec 16, 2011 1:42 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
A terrible Nishioka misplay contributed to that.
A competent SS makes that play and Cuddyer has a solid 2.00 WHIP.
"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."
Maybe So...
But those numbers are hardly sustainable at Coors Field.
by PierreTheLion on Dec 16, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
But Cuddy isn't going to be pitching at Coors
If anything, he will be asked to hit and play somewhat solid defense.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
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by Jessy S on Dec 16, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This reminds me of the Cheers scene where Frasier looked at Cliff with his head cocked to the side and asked:
“What color is the sky in your world?”
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
by darren004 on Dec 16, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Cuddyer a JOKE
Just another greedy baseball player. No loyalty to people that have barely been paying you to feed your children for 11 years. Im so glad that now he is able to. Sports is such a joke.
What?
I’ve took a new job at higher pay about a year ago. Should I have instead showed loyalty to the former employer who payed for the clothes on my back and the food on my table?
No.
by spanspanspan on Dec 16, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Plus
He is going to Denver. I’m a native Minnesotan and still prefer Denver to Minneapolis
Remember, remember the seventh of November.
And in the process..
I did the same thing Cuddyer did. When I got the new offer, I told the former employer about it and said I’d be willing to stay if they matched it. They didn’t match it. So I left.
Nature of the beast.
by spanspanspan on Dec 16, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly my thoughts on this
Cuddyer did nothing wrong and the Twins did nothing wrong. In fact both did what was in their own best interests.
Remember, remember the seventh of November.
I should have scrolled down before I posted above
There you are making my comments for me again.
Yep, I’ll miss Cuddy, but anyone who says they’d turn down a multi-million dollar raise to work in the same field is either lying or a fool. (I suppose there are geographic factors, but as Go Twins! said, Denver is pretty awesome.)
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 16, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
not to mention just the sheer percentage of it...
if someone offered me a 50% bump in salary in a better city you’re damn right I’d take it.
Actually to be honest I look at as a job change for most ballplayers
How much loyalty do you have to your company if another offered you 124% of what your current company was offering in salary.
Remember, remember the seventh of November.
Who's loyal to whom?
Cuddyer had an offer for a lot more money elsewhere, and a home team that wasn’t willing to match that.
Which side is disloyal?
Or maybe it’s just business.
Allison>Cuddy
I saw Allison play a lot and he was a better overall player, not really close. I’d compare him more to Hunter. He also played his prime in the era when the mound was higher and typical era’s and hitting stats were a lot lower.
Cuddyer probably belongs in Twins' Hall of Fame
His numbers over his career are good. He was here for a long time and a lot of wins. He is the consummate team player and his hard work and hustle were examples for the younger players. I hope he gets his ring in Colorado.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Dec 16, 2011 4:39 PM EST reply actions
Future of Twins
Ok, Cuddy was a great player. He is worth the money he got from the Rockies. One thing that most people do not realize, and I say this with several friends working in Twins front office, is that Cuddy did not like the new batch of younger Twins. Did not like their approach to the game, their attitude, or the personality. I could have told you he was gone before the epic collapse. Kubel, he is another I wouldn’t bank on coming back. He is a California boy and wants to play closer to home.
The State of the Twins is not promising. We saw our upper tier prospects last year, and it wasn’t pretty. The Twins have had several years of poor drafting. In order for the Twins to be competitive, they must draft better than most teams. A fundamental change in philosophy is needed in regards to their pitching. We can no longer go after guys with a low 90s fastball, change, curve, and slider like Brad Radke. You wonder why our starters get rocked? It’s because they are all the same. Over a 3 game series, teams will beat up on the same delivery, pitch type thrown, etc. See our playoff runs over the last decade for proof.
The 2012 Twins, in order to possibly flirt with a 500 campaign must keep both Mauer and Morneau on the field. They do this by using Mornaeu as a DH. He is in his last year of his contract. He bounces back, awesome, if not, he retires. You play Mauer at 1st several times per week, since he has proven he can’t catch more than 120 games per year. Target Field is a pitchers ball park, so don’t expect hitters to seek it out as their power numbers will drop, effecting future contract negotiations. The farm system is in shambles. The Twins must string together several good to great classes. If they can do this, 3-5 years down the road they will be competitive. Until then, not looking good.
capt cruddy
please he was average at best with his stats. capt cruddy will never sniff the HOF. he could never get a hit when it really counted and all you had to do is throw a breaking pitch low and away. capt cruddy could never lay off that pitch
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 17, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Jim Thome on Cuddyer last November.
“We’ve talked. All I can say about Michael is that he’s a great player. He’s a winner. He’s a stand-up guy. I know he’s done a lot of great things on and off the field in Minnesota. Anybody that plays in that organization for a long time, their credibility is instantly high. Any team that gets him is going to gain. He’s a great teammate. I would put Michael as one of my top-five, all-time favorite teammates. No question. He’s up there. He’s a winner.”
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 17, 2011 1:33 PM EST reply actions
I wish him and Claudia the best
Both great people who gave back to the community.
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
Cuddyer was quite good the past few years, but I still say his soft play in the field is what cost them the ALCS against the Angels back in the day. The Angels kept hitting it at him and he just didn’t have the hustle back then to get the ball.
Would I trade the past 2-3 years of Cuddyer’s talent with a world series appearance in 2002? You bet I would.
Wow... long memory....
Cuddy only played 3 games of that series. We won game 1 and he didn’t get into game 5 until we were down by eight. It could only be game 2 that you’re remembering. We lost 6-3. Angels score 1 on a homer in the first, 2 on a homer in the sixth… so you must be remembering the three in the 2nd:
2nd inning:
T Glaus singled to right
B Fullmer doubled to right center, T Glaus to third.
S Spiezio doubled to shallow right, T Glaus scored, B Fullmer to third
B Molina flied out to right
A Kennedy grounded into fielder’s choice to pitcher, B Fullmer out at home, S Spiezio to third
S Spiezio scored, A Kennedy safe at third on error by catcher A Pierzynski
D Eckstein singled to right, A Kennedy scored
D Erstad flied out to left.
Certainly a lot of hits to RF. The writeup does mention “Spezio’s bloop double near the right-field line bouncing over an onrushing Michael Cuddyer to make it 2-0.” but makes a bigger deal of Pierzynski dropping the ball on a play at the plate which would have ended the inning 2-0. Angels scored two more runs after that.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=221009109
I suppose one could argue that is a momentum changing inning but its hard to assign a player as a goat based on the 2nd inning of game 2 of a series that you lose 4-1. A lot of blame to go around
by DavidRF on Dec 18, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
FIRE GARY!!!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Tell Gardy there's nobody around to protect him now." Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 18, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
If the Twins won game 2, they would have had at least one more home game to play. They could have dropped the next three and still had a chance.
In that game, we kept seeing fly balls hit to Cuddyer and him fielding them on the first bounce, a first bounce which was only a few feet in front of him. And he wasn’t running to make the catch. Sure, he was technically a rookie, but he should not have been out there at that point of his career. Kielty was no superstar but he was the better player in 2002.
The Twins finally pulled Cuddyer for Kielty late in the game. Too late in the game.
But Yeah
It’s like saying Hunter was no help to the franchise because of his misplay in game 1 of the 2006 divisional series.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
That one was a quite a bit more frustrating
He never does that in a random regular season game. Trying to be a hero is what made Torii a worse player in big games.
I honestly don’t remember the Cuddyer stuff above. I’d have to watch video but I couldn’t find any.
Cuddyer 2002
How much outfield had Cuddyer played at that point? I think he played quite a bit of RF in Triple A that year, but prior to 2002 he was exclusively an infielder.
I do remember that he struggled in the outfield that game, but I really don’t think he cost the Twins the series.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Dec 18, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions
He played...
19 AA games in OF in 2001
74 AAA games in OF in 2002, plus 25 games in OF for the Twins that year.
by spanspanspan on Dec 18, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Short-Term Memory?
Cuddyer might be the most revered average ball-player the Twins have seen since the turn of the century.
People say we’ll miss his bat. In many ways, Matt LeCroy (he, with a 114 OPS+ in 2003, 110 in 2005) could have filled that gap (Cuddyer had three seasons out of 11 over a 112, and six seasons under 100). Do we miss LeCroy that much?
His arm, though showing some wonderful strength here and there, was erratic, and he GAVE UP 25 more runs than an “average right fielder” defensively. (Rdrs statistic)
His “battle-my-tail-off” quotient was half of LNP’s.
Was he a personable guy? Absolutely- I’ve mailed him cards twice, and he signed and mailed them both back. However, any talk of HOF or number retiring is ludacris.
Gaetti was a great player for us in the 1980’s and 90’s. Why haven’t we considered his number?
I think the same will be the case for Cuddy.
Gaetti is in the Twins Hall of Fame
I was at his induction ceremony.
The hierarchy of greatness goes MLB Hall of Fame > number retired > Twins Hall of Fame. While a lot of the current reaction is based on the fact that he just left us after being our lone All Star, I wouldn’t mind seeing him in the Twins Hall of Fame… I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen either.
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 18, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind either
But after Mauer, Morneau, Hunter, Nathan, etc. He can get in line.

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